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03-06-2013, 08:45 AM
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great, we're look for a winger next.
Yea. Cause wingers are just as important as centres to championship teams?

Yea. Cause wingers are just as hard to get as centres?

Yea. Cause our winger depth is worse than our centre depth?


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Not that I think any team WOULD trade a legitimate #1 C for Kessel. But if we could, you wouldnt not pull the trigger over concerns about finding a replacement winger...

Our top 6 wingers (without Kessel) compare pretty well to most SC champions top 6 wingers. LA had what, Brown and Williams on their first line?... Boston had something like Lucic and Horton or Lucic and Ryder on the first line.

Every SC winning team over the past 7-8 years had significantly better centres than we do. But only about half of them had significantly better wingers compared to what we have minus Kessel. Centre is by far the more important position.


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What are Bozak's salary demands?

Don't believe what you hear on the sports shows, they're just throwing out numbers.

I was wondering about Legwand? Maybe it is time for Nashville to change this up?

Well he's as productive as Grabovski, yet valuable in more situations (PK, Faceoff etc.) heading to the open market as a young top 6 center that is in extremely high demand. He will net upwards of 4m per season.


Goc IMO is the exact same player, just with size and less speed. He has more confidence with the puck. Good at faceoffs, used on the PP, PK. only 1.4m.

Im thinking about semi-expendable players vs players that are expensive or unlikely moved.

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03-06-2013, 09:01 AM
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To Pittsburgh: Kessel, Benn

To Toronto: Eriksson

To Dallas: Malkin, Kulemin



Eriksson - Kadri - JVR
Mac - Grabovski - Lupul
Wow do we ever get shafted. Dallas makes out like bandits.

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03-06-2013, 09:09 AM
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As costly as it might be i would trade

Kessel + 2014 1st to Washington for Backstrom he is a true blue #1C


Then we still have our 2013 1st

Assets to trade for big winger and another D

Bozak Gabo one of them gets traded and it should get us a 1st or a top 4 D...

Then we have a huge surplus on D and will have to trade at least 2 D that can used for another 1st or for a big winger...

we could replace kessel in draft if we moved up to 10th by packaging our 1st and another 1st+

Thats also an option

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Or there's this crazy idea a lot of the great teams have been using called "de·vel·op·ment
(/diˈveləpmənt/)." It's where you draft and develop your own players and give them an opportunity to succeed and become better players! Crazy I know, but I hear the Leafs have a solid candidate for this radical method. This Kadri kid.

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03-06-2013, 09:11 AM
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So random... Nonis is looking for a top 3 defenseman and wants to ship out 2 depth guys? Is the top 3 defenseman not sitting on the Marlies?

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Nothing really new asides from Burmi from the jets being available.
Really?

Hm, thought they were high on him

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Stephen Weiss is a glorified Tyler Bozak. I'll pass.
lol he is better then Bozak

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Nothing really new asides from Burmi from the jets being available.
Do want.

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Backstrom for Kessel solves our #1C

Then we now have to trade Bozak or Gabo

Package one of them + 1st 2014 + prospect and get the winger

or

Trade one of them for a 1st +

At draft package our 1st acquired 1st + to get to 8-12 in draft and draft Kessel replacement

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Get true #3 centerman, move Kadri to the first line, Grabovski to an offensive role.

Using an small, offensive centerman as your shutdown centerman isn't the best use of a 5.5 million cap hit.

Lupul-Kadri-Kessel
JVR-Grabovski-Frattin
MacArthur-McClement-Komarov
Fraser-Steckel-Orr

Kulemin to Pittsburgh for a pick.
this is what I think as well. Carlyle is using his corsi guys as a guide almost. Overall working but grabs is better on the o then playing d at 5.5

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So random... Nonis is looking for a top 3 defenseman and wants to ship out 2 depth guys? Is the top 3 defenseman not sitting on the Marlies?
No. Gardiner is a very good defenseman, no question about it. But he's certainly not a top 3 guy. I'd imagine Nonis and company are looking for another Phaneuf level dman that's capable of playing side-by-side with him all night.

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great, we're look for a winger next.
Perry!

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Colin Wilson is not a #1 centre.
Agreed. Calling Wilson a potential #1C is like calling Phaneuf a #1D. Maybe on some teams they could play that position but not a great team.

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Backstrom has shown time and time again in the playoffs and again this year during the season that he does not have the heart or drive to lead a team. Huge pass on my part.

Everyone is trying to get a centre and we have one in Kadri. Maybe not this year but in a limited role he is putting up a point per game and really staring to grow. I would say another summer of training and working on his faceoffs he will be more than suitable.

I would hate to see Bozak go, I like his game a lot more that Grabovski, more of a NA style and uses his line mates more. Wouldn't Bozak be a more suitable #2 guy or at worse a #3 guy? Maybe we should be focusing on finding a better #2 centre? Would there be a market for Grabovski?

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Agreed. Calling Wilson a potential #1C is like calling Phaneuf a #1D. Maybe on some teams they could play that position but not a great team.
Wilson isn't even being used as a #4 center in Nashville.

I'd love to somehow pick him up for the 2nd./3rd. line center role. At least try him in his natural position. He might be the Preds leading scorer, but that isn't saying much.

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Joe Pavelski is the #1 centre that the Leafs need.

There is no way to actually know if he truly could be a #1 guy, but his stats are definitely telling of where he can go. Back to back 60 point campaigns are solid enough in my mind to say that he's the guy.

I would pay a fair price to get him and he's very controllable at 4mill.

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03-06-2013, 09:28 AM
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Backstrom has shown time and time again in the playoffs and again this year during the season that he does not have the heart or drive to lead a team. Huge pass on my part.

Everyone is trying to get a centre and we have one in Kadri. Maybe not this year but in a limited role he is putting up a point per game and really staring to grow. I would say another summer of training and working on his faceoffs he will be more than suitable.

I would hate to see Bozak go, I like his game a lot more that Grabovski, more of a NA style and uses his line mates more. Wouldn't Bozak be a more suitable #2 guy or at worse a #3 guy? Maybe we should be focusing on finding a better #2 centre? Would there be a market for Grabovski?
IMO Grabovski is being misused as a defensive center.

Maybe he could be the one moved for C.Wilson, let him play offense on the Preds.

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any top 3 right handed dmen out there?

Stephane Robidas?

d should just be

Phanuef/Franson
Gunnar/Holzer
Gardiner/Fraser
Kostka

unless Gunnar or Gardiner are part of a bigger deal

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Another very interesting one is Brad Richards, i know he just signed but he would obviously be great and New york fans are already throwing him under the bus.
His play this year is almost as bad as the contract he has......almost......no thanks.

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Get true #3 centerman, move Kadri to the first line, Grabovski to an offensive role.

Using an small, offensive centerman as your shutdown centerman isn't the best use of a 5.5 million cap hit.

Lupul-Kadri-Kessel
JVR-Grabovski-Frattin
MacArthur-McClement-Komarov
Fraser-Steckel-Orr

Kulemin to Pittsburgh for a pick.
That 3rd line is meh.....and that 4th line would make me worry......alot.

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any top 3 right handed dmen out there?

Stephane Robidas?

d should just be

Phanuef/Franson
Gunnar/Holzer
Gardiner/Fraser
Kostka

unless Gunnar or Gardiner are part of a bigger deal
Franson does not look good under pressure in his own zone, and when you add Phaneuf's creativity to it I don't see a fit.

IMO Franson is not a 1st. pairing defender.

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Franson does not look good under pressure in his own zone, and when you add Phaneuf's creativity to it I don't see a fit.

IMO Franson is not a 1st. pairing defender.
I agree, i guess top 3 dman could mean top 2

assuming the current top 3 are Phanuef, Gunnar, Franson, you'd want to add another right handed which would push Franson down to second pair.

Maybe something like Gardiner, Liles or Komisarek + fwd for Johansen or Brassard and Wisniewski

Wis contract is kind of **** but could work if CLS retains salary (which they may be alright with being a cap floor team)

or Grabo and Gardiner for Johansen and Wis or Gunnar and Grabo for Brassard and Wis

Also Carlyle would have had Wis in ANH

i'd probably do the second cause I like Gardiner a lot but Johansen did look capable of being a #1 last year


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IMO Grabovski is being misused as a defensive center.

Maybe he could be the one moved for C.Wilson, let him play offense on the Preds.
Bit of an overpayment no? Where does it leave McClement?

Personally I have really liked what the coaching staff has done, I really hope Nonis can move some bodies around so Gardiner can be here full time so we can see what this Leaf team looks like. Would anyone think Liles is worth a 2nd/1st round pic to a contending team looking for depth?

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The odds are that we will never get a first line center until we draft one, or we get one in a trade that is pretty much past his prime.

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