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View Poll Results: Should we use an amnesty buyout on Bryz?
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03-06-2013, 09:18 AM
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Never really realized how bad Bryz is at poke checks. Blocker side wrist shots, 1 on 1's, rebound control, puck handling, poke checks... what exactly does Bryz do well again?
He is good at eating up cap room, spending the money Snider has given him on new goalie equipment every few weeks, and throwing his stick. That is all I can remember. Oh wait, he is also good at giving the other team goals on breakaways or a 1 on 1.

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He is good at eating up cap room, spending the money Snider has given him on new goalie equipment every few weeks, and throwing his stick. That is all I can remember. Oh wait, he is also good at giving the other team goals on breakaways or a 1 on 1.
Funny how everyone was swinging from Bryzgalov's nutsack the ferst 15 games of the season. And now that he's struggling because he's playing too much, we all hate him again

gotta love the "what have you done for me lately?" mentality of Flyers fans

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Funny how everyone was swinging from Bryzgalov's nutsack the ferst 15 games of the season. And now that he's struggling because he's playing too much, we all hate him again

gotta love the "what have you done for me lately?" mentality of Flyers fans
I still think he can do well. I think he needs a break for a game or two to get things straightened out and hopefully well rested. I know it will be tough with Boosh in net, but as it is right now, it might be better for him and the team if he rested a couple games.

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Funny how everyone was swinging from Bryzgalov's nutsack the ferst 15 games of the season. And now that he's struggling because he's playing too much, we all hate him again

gotta love the "what have you done for me lately?" mentality of Flyers fans
That's how she goes for a NHL goalie. Bryz was great at start of year, but than he skips being good enough to keep team in games and goes right to awful. Last night was unacceptable.

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So we traded Bob so Bryz could be a work horse like in Phoenix and got a non-threatening backup to encourage him and now he is tired and needs to play less? Little confused here.

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So we traded Bob so Bryz could be a work horse like in Phoenix and got a non-threatening backup to encourage him and now he is tired and needs to play less? Little confused here.


Plus team starts to push a bit to get the offense going and he starts to crumble. If Bryz stays long term, we will have to 100% change our system to play like Yotes or any other trapping defensive team to shelter him. We can not push the offense, as any most turnovers are goals against.

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So we traded Bob so Bryz could be a work horse like in Phoenix and got a non-threatening backup to encourage him and now he is tired and needs to play less? Little confused here.
This isn't me defending Bryz, but comparing his games played while in Phoenix to this season isn't the same to me. This season's schedule has been ridiculously condensed for the Flyers, so many back to backs with little rest in between the other games. Sure, he played a lot of games in Phoenix, but methinks there was ample time in between starts to get rest.

Bottom line, his play outside of the Caps and Sens games recently has been shaky at best. This team goes nowhere without him performing better.

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Rangers had 8 scoring chances, and scored 4

Again, 2 saves and we get at least a loser point, pissed away so may points this year.

I am somewhat a Bryz defender, but he looked worse yest than Bryz of last year.
Not getting some the losses into overtime in the first half of the season will be a big reason why the Flyers will struggle to make the playoffs.

11-8-5 is a lot better than 11-12-1.

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Funny how everyone was swinging from Bryzgalov's nutsack the ferst 15 games of the season. And now that he's struggling because he's playing too much, we all hate him again

gotta love the "what have you done for me lately?" mentality of Flyers fans
Where have I done this?

I just joined this site recently so you don't know anything to say this about me. I have been against the Bryz contract from the very start, but I can't do anything about it. I have to accept it and hope for the best. Clearly, hoping for the best isn't working out. There is nothing wrong with me stating facts or what I see. For the record, I was happy that Bryz played well early in the season, but I wasn't openly praising or gloating about it. I knew he would fall back eventually and he has.

In reality, results are what matter and the results from Bryz are not good. Hockey is also a team game so there is also some fault to the other players, management, and the coaches as well. However, what is a goalie's job? Stop the puck, plain and simple. Giving up a soft goal once in awhile is ok, but doing it consistently is not. The goalie is the last line of defense for the team. It is up to him to stop the puck. That's why they stay near the goal all the time.

We should stop making excuses for Bryz as well. Last year people said the team and environment is new, he needs a year to adjust. Then, it was he needs to play more to do good. Now, Bryz is playing too much. All these excuses are fine and dandy, but in a results-oriented society, they do not work.

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Not trying to make excuses here for Bryz. Does anybody think Jeff Reese could be the problem here?

I know Reese hasn't had the best of goalies to work with here during his tenure. But Bryz seems to be regressing ever since he got here. I know he worked with Sean Burke in Phoenix and he's considered one of the best in the business. Would it be worth trying to get someone like Burke in here to replace Reese?

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Yes that's the play.

The puck hit him square in his chest most goalies in the league hold onto that one. That goal was 100% on him. His rebound control definitely needs to be worked on.
"Great goal by Jake" or "bad rebound control by Hank" ?

Bryz showed some great rebound control on the skipping shot at the end of Per. 1 - calmly deflected to a Flyer in the corner

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This may be up to personal opinion but I really don't think we have any more defensive breakdowns than any other team in the NHL.

It just seems that way as the puck ends up in our net 9/10 of the time when it does happen.
pretty much this and its been something I have been saying. If someone on the ice makes a mistake either with the puck or gets badly out of position the puck ends up in the back of the net for the other team. This isnt new tho. We saw the same things last year but except at a much higher rate. At some point you need your goaltender to make a save. Is everything on him? no, but he needs to step up and make a save with the game on the line.

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I agree that Bryz's poke is dreadful. I think pretty much every breakaway goal this season has resulted because of an errant poke check. The Huberdeau one is another one that immediately comes to mind. Anyone think that Reese can work with him to maybe tell him to just stop?
i think at this point there is nothing that can likely be done about it. Reese can tell him to stop but I think at this point of Bryzgalovs career its highly unlikely he can stop doing it. Its likely something he was told do early in his career and its become such a habit for him it would be very difficult to get him to stop it at this point.

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"Great goal by Jake" or "bad rebound control by Hank" ?

Bryz showed some great rebound control on the skipping shot at the end of Per. 1 - calmly deflected to a Flyer in the corner
Lundqvist continually bails his team out all the time. Bryz not so much.

Where was he on Nash's 2 goals and Callahan's 2nd goal?

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"Great goal by Jake" or "bad rebound control by Hank" ?

Bryz showed some great rebound control on the skipping shot at the end of Per. 1 - calmly deflected to a Flyer in the corner
The difference is, Hank generally does better with rebounds. Leaving a juicy rebound is more of a rarity for him than it is for Bryz.

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The difference is, Hank generally does better with rebounds. Leaving a juicy rebound is more of a rarity for him than it is for Bryz.
Plus, i don't really think you can fault Hank for a juicy rebound on a cross-crease pass and point-blank shot. I certainly didn't fault Bryz for not being there on the cross-crease pass to Callahan for his 1st goal.

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"Great goal by Jake" or "bad rebound control by Hank" ?

Bryz showed some great rebound control on the skipping shot at the end of Per. 1 - calmly deflected to a Flyer in the corner
A sliding across the crease pad save that rebounds right back to the shooter is very different than Bryz bobbling a point shot that hit him right in the logo.

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Funny how everyone was swinging from Bryzgalov's nutsack the ferst 15 games of the season. And now that he's struggling because he's playing too much, we all hate him again

gotta love the "what have you done for me lately?" mentality of Flyers fans
I stayed pretty quiet about Bryz during the first 15 games because I figured my "AMNESTY BRYZ" message wouldn't go over that well until he came back down to his regular playing level.

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Here's his 2 gems last night with Nash.


Common theme he goes for the poke check and misses almost every time on 1 on 1's.

Now I know some of these videos are defensive breakdown but it still shows how brutal he is on 1 on 1 situations.
Bryz probably should not attempt the poke check as much on breakaways.
going back to last year, though ?

2 power moves by Nash & Callahan .... both guys in all alone ..... many of your videos were defensive breakdowns. that said, I'd like to see Bryz poke check less.

here are some gems, too ... all from THIS YEAR, by "elite" goalies

Stanley Cup Champ & Conn Smythe winner Quick:
http://video.kings.nhl.com/videocent...ed-share-video

http://video.kings.nhl.com/videocent...ed-share-video

All World Mike Smith:
http://video.coyotes.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

http://video.coyotes.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

Mr. .940 sv% from last year Elliot:
http://video.blues.nhl.com/videocent...ed-share-video

the stud Schneider:
http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

the great Luongo:
http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

All-Everything Hank:
http://video.rangers.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

http://video.rangers.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

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A sliding across the crease pad save ....
incorrect: Hank was stationary. not sliding at all on the 1st save. watch it again:

http://video.rangers.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

juicy rebound right to Jake.

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Bryz probably should not attempt the poke check as much on breakaways.
going back to last year, though ?

2 power moves by Nash & Callahan .... both guys in all alone ..... many of your videos were defensive breakdowns. that said, I'd like to see Bryz poke check less.

here are some gems, too ... all from THIS YEAR, by "elite" goalies

Stanley Cup Champ & Conn Smythe winner Quick:
http://video.kings.nhl.com/videocent...ed-share-video

http://video.kings.nhl.com/videocent...ed-share-video

All World Mike Smith:
http://video.coyotes.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

http://video.coyotes.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

Mr. .940 sv% from last year Elliot:
http://video.blues.nhl.com/videocent...ed-share-video

the stud Schneider:
http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

the great Luongo:
http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

All-Everything Hank:
http://video.rangers.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

http://video.rangers.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video
Elliot and Smith are not all world anything, or all stars. Elliot had a fluke season behind a solid defense, and Smith is a product of PHX's system. As for the other goals....yeah, they happen, to every goalie. The problem is that they happen more often to Bryz than they do those guys.

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Bryz probably should not attempt the poke check as much on breakaways.
going back to last year, though ?

2 power moves by Nash & Callahan .... both guys in all alone ..... many of your videos were defensive breakdowns. that said, I'd like to see Bryz poke check less.

here are some gems, too ... all from THIS YEAR, by "elite" goalies

Stanley Cup Champ & Conn Smythe winner Quick:
http://video.kings.nhl.com/videocent...ed-share-video

http://video.kings.nhl.com/videocent...ed-share-video

All World Mike Smith:
http://video.coyotes.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

http://video.coyotes.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

Mr. .940 sv% from last year Elliot:
http://video.blues.nhl.com/videocent...ed-share-video

the stud Schneider:
http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

the great Luongo:
http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

All-Everything Hank:
http://video.rangers.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

http://video.rangers.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video
I'd just like to point out that:

1.) Quick is having the worst season of his career so far and has been hearing some noise from the LA fans.

2.) Please find me another person who would call Mike Smith "All-World".

3.) Brian Elliot had a career year last year. I don't think anyone expected him to put up numbers anywhere close to that this year. For someone who loves "career averages", look his up.

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Lundqvist continually bails his team out all the time. Bryz not so much.
Bryz was doing just hat early on this year, when Hank was struggling.
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Where was he on Nash's 2 goals and Callahan's 2nd goal?
the same as the rest of the team, who, yet again, let 2 more players come in all alone: not good enough.

i saw him make a great glove save on Gaborik on a 3 on 2 .... 1 whole minute into the game.
Kimmo with an awful penalty right after.

goal 1 was a PP 2 on 1 - kinda hard to accomplish, but somehow the Fyers allowed it .... he had no chance on it, but it certainly didn't help that Grossmann bumped into him

2nd goal, again, opponent makes a power move, around our player & comes in all alone ... that would have been a good spot for a long poke check [of course, in hindsight], but again another man in all alone

followed by some great rebound control on the skipping shot, calmly deflected to a Flyer in the corner

great save on Gaborik when it wasd 2-2 8 mins left in 2nd
big save on Miller early in the 3rd [another undefended man]

I've seen Schneider, Luongo, Quick, Hank & Halak all give up that 3rd goal this year. If that was G scoring last night on Hank like that, we'd all say "he's a sniper: great goal" .... not say it was weak on Hank. Perfect shot.

team loss last night. Bryz was just like the rest of the team: not good enough. but i can't single him out.


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Bryz probably not attempt the poke check as much on breakaways.
going back to last year, though ?

2 power moves by Nash & Callahan .... both guys in all alone ..... many of your videos were defensive breakdowns. that said, I'd like to see Bryz poke check less.

here are some gems, too ... all from THIS YEAR, by "elite" goalies

Stanley Cup Champ & Conn Smythe winner Quick:
http://video.kings.nhl.com/videocent...ed-share-video

http://video.kings.nhl.com/videocent...ed-share-video

All World Mike Smith:
http://video.coyotes.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

http://video.coyotes.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

Mr. .940 sv% from last year Elliot:
http://video.blues.nhl.com/videocent...ed-share-video

the stud Schneider:
http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

the great Luongo:
http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

http://video.canucks.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

All-Everything Hank:
http://video.rangers.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video

http://video.rangers.nhl.com/videoce...ed-share-video
Like I said it was too funny of a video to pass up. The rest of the videos were from this year. It still proves the point his poke check is a joke.

He looked lost on all 3 of those goals last night. Kimmo was all over Nash on the one and Bryz still got deked out of his skates.

I don't consider Smith, Elliot, or Schneider elite. Quick and Luongo are boarder line elite you can make a case for either way. Hank's hands down the best goalie in the NHL. But honestly I don't care what they do because none of them play for the Flyers.

Like other posters have mentioned majority of the times we have a breakdown usually the puck ends up in the back of the net. When you're paid like a top 5 goalie people expect to bail out the team once in a while.

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Everybody needs to stop with the "bryz is being overworked and is tired" argument. He had plenty of time to rest in between Saturdays game and last nights game, and he still **** the bed. He's a professional athlete, being "tired" isn't an excuse for playing like he has lately.

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I'd just like to point out that:

1.) Quick is having the worst season of his career so far and has been hearing some noise from the LA fans.

2.) Please find me another person who would call Mike Smith "All-World".

3.) Brian Elliot had a career year last year. I don't think anyone expected him to put up numbers anywhere close to that this year. For someone who loves "career averages", look his up.

1. so, what?
my point remains: even SC Champs & Conn Smythe winners let in bad goals. and I'm sure i can find videos of "bad goals" vs Quick last year, too.

2. many many people here said they would have preferred Smith over Bryz

3. many people here claimed that Mr .940 is better than Bryz.

Schneider, Luongo, Hank .... they're all better than Bryz. they all let in bad goals.

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