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Hamilton III: There's A New Sheriff In Town

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02-19-2013, 02:43 PM
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This is a concept, with a southerly view, showing what looks like Copps and Stelco tower on the lower left, supposedly from the current SJAM site.




Also, look at the fifth last page of this pdf, and it looks like SJAM's triangular block with York Blvd's one way traffic flowing east.

http://www.hamilton.ca/NR/rdonlyres/...esentation.pdf
thanks HT. havent seen that picture yet. kinda not diggin the design tbh.

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thanks HT. havent seen that picture yet. kinda not diggin the design tbh.
As I said, just a concept. Did you see the other pics found in the pdf ? They're a little better (Same design)

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Dogs to get new lease agreement with Copps, affiliation extension with Habs

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The Hamilton Bulldogs are expected to sign a new three-year lease with Copps Coliseum and a new affiliation extension with the Montreal Canadiens at a news conference Friday morning.
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The deal will mean the Dogs will have been the farm team of the Habs for 11 years by the time the contract expires.

It’s believed there will be an additional two-year option available on both parts of the deal, meaning the Dogs could still be playing at Copps as the baby Canadiens until the 2017-18 season.
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The timing of the event isn’t a coincidence either since Friday is the first day Global Spectrum takes of control of Copps.
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You can bet that there are going to be major changes instore for Copps Coliseum when Livenation & Global Spectrum take over running Copps starting on friday & lets hope they manage Copps Coliseum a lot better than the city did .

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You can bet that there are going to be major changes instore for Copps Coliseum when Livenation & Global Spectrum take over running Copps starting on friday & lets hope they manage Copps Coliseum a lot better than the city did .
yes. ticket prices for everything will go up.

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Yep there's a new sheriff in town. The first official announcement from the new Copps managers...



I wonder how long it will take before someone claims the Dogs are moving to Laval next season...?

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Some extra bits regarding the lease announcement...

Hamilton Bulldogs renew lease at Copps

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At Friday's press conference, Andlauer did bring up something of a sore point for many Hamiltonians — that originally, Copps was meant to house an NHL team.

“And to us Hamiltonians, it's been disappointing not to have an NHL club,” he said. “But we should take some solace and pride in the fact that 170 Hamilton Bulldogs have played in the building and graduated to the NHL.”
You shouldn't have reminded us, it feels like salt in the wound...

Also the audio of today's announcement featuring Andlauer, Bratina and new Copps/Hamilton Place boss Scott Warren...

http://www.900chml.com/Channels/Reg/...spx?ID=1901300

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People still think Hamilton is a good idea? Seriously?

And KC isn't getting a team before QC or Seattle, whether they already have an arena or not. Hell, I'd be willing to bet that after Seattle, the next American city the NHL would look at is Houston. Dat TV market.

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People still think Hamilton is a good idea? Seriously?

And KC isn't getting a team before QC or Seattle, whether they already have an arena or not. Hell, I'd be willing to bet that after Seattle, the next American city the NHL would look at is Houston. Dat TV market.
Yes, seeing as the NHL themself said Hamilton would be Top 10 (5?) in revenue in the league.

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People still think Hamilton is a good idea? Seriously?

And KC isn't getting a team before QC or Seattle, whether they already have an arena or not. Hell, I'd be willing to bet that after Seattle, the next American city the NHL would look at is Houston. Dat TV market.
Hamilton is the biggest unserved NHL. market in North America do the fact that Hamilton has easy access to over 8 million people all over southern ontario not to mention Hamiltons economy is booming right now .

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Hamilton's off the market now you signed the extension w/ GS & THE Canadiens/Bulldogs

KC fuddegabouit
Actually no Hamilton is not off the market the lease agreement the Bulldogs have signed probley has an escape clause just in case an NHL. dose come to Hamilton .

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Hamilton is the biggest unserved NHL. market in North America do the fact that Hamilton has easy access to over 8 million people all over southern ontario not to mention Hamiltons economy is booming right now .
And places within Southern ON have just as much access to those 8 million people. Not sure why Hamilton would be ahead of anywhere else.

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And places within Southern ON have just as much access to those 8 million people. Not sure why Hamilton would be ahead of anywhere else.
Simple Hamilton is a centralized location with 2 major highways running through it in the 403 & the QEW & if you are going to have another NHL. team southern ontario it needs to be a regional team in which everybody in southern ontario has easy access too & Hamilton is that centralized location .

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I am irriatated the NHL held a lockout over revenue and not once did the players make a stink about how this Phoenix fiasco is hurting their revenues and holding everyone down.
Let it go.
You cant be sure of that 100%.

If I am right, Fehr said non profitable teams are hurting the players revenues and that the league should fix that. This was before the last CBA settlement.

We don't know all been said behind those closed doors.

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Yes, seeing as the NHL themself said Hamilton would be Top 10 (5?) in revenue in the league.
Seeing as how there are two other Canadian destinations that would be more profitable and there's massive speculation that Hamilton would kill Buffalo.

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Seeing as how there are two other Canadian destinations that would be more profitable and there's massive speculation that Hamilton would kill Buffalo.
keep up. buffalo has a waiting list for seasons tickets, prices are on the rise, new development surrounds the arena, and most importantly, they have a BILLIONAIRE owner with very very deep pockets. buffalo is off the endangered species list.

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Seeing as how there are two other Canadian destinations that would be more profitable and there's massive speculation that Hamilton would kill Buffalo.
And that's all that it is, pure speculation.

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keep up. buffalo has a waiting list for seasons tickets, prices are on the rise, new development surrounds the arena, and most importantly, they have a BILLIONAIRE owner with very very deep pockets. buffalo is off the endangered species list.

Yes, a 99% season ticket renewal rate with a waiting list iof thousands that would take many years for the person on the bottom of that list to ever get tickets. 85% of STHs are Americans.

Up until Pittsburgh recently passed them, Buffalo had the highest local TV rating of any U.S. market ( All U.S. viewers)

Crossing the border has becoem more of a hassle, understandably so since 9/11, and will get worse now.

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The U.S. Customs and Border Protection agency has already moved from sequestration planning to sequestration implementation, preparing to reduce its work hours by the equivalent of over 5,000 border patrol agents and 2,750 inspectors.

It's warned those cuts could result in waits for as long as five hours at larger ports of entry, most of them in Ontario, Quebec and British Columbia.
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For Canadians, that means quick shopping trips to nearby border communities will almost immediately become a hassle as they're confronted with waits of several hours at busier entry points.
http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2013/02...n_2754982.html

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Simple Hamilton is a centralized location with 2 major highways running through it in the 403 & the QEW & if you are going to have another NHL. team southern ontario it needs to be a regional team in which everybody in southern ontario has easy access too & Hamilton is that centralized location .
Yet it doesn't go through the major highway.

It needs to be in a central location, but it shouldn't be in a location that makes the team have to pay fees to two other NHL clubs.

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Yet it doesn't go through the major highway.

It needs to be in a central location, but it shouldn't be in a location that makes the team have to pay fees to two other NHL clubs.
If you have a potential owner that is willing to pay those fees, then why not?

(Just wish there was one! )

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Yet it doesn't go through the major highway.

It needs to be in a central location, but it shouldn't be in a location that makes the team have to pay fees to two other NHL clubs.
The Buffalo Sabres do not have a claim to the Hamilton market because the Sabres teritory into southern ontario only gose as far as St. Catheriens & no furthier than that .

The thing is it has always been the Leafs (MLSE.) that have been the ones that screwed Hamilton out of NHL. franchise not Buffalo & from what I understand the Sabres want Hamilton to have an NHL. team .

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I think now the Leafs (MLSE.) might change there tune when comes to Hamilton getting an NHL. team with the possibility of an NHL. sized arena being built in Markham MLSE. might help push for Hamilton to get an NHL. just to keep Markham out of the NHL. because if they can not have an a monopoly of all of southern ontario they would want to at least want to keep there monopoly of the GTA. .

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I think now the Leafs (MLSE.) might change there tune when comes to Hamilton getting an NHL. team with the possibility of an NHL. sized arena being built in Markham MLSE. might help push for Hamilton to get an NHL. just to keep Markham out of the NHL. because if they can not have an a monopoly of all of southern ontario they would want to at least want to keep there monopoly of the GTA. .
Isn't MLSE now Bell, JMR?

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Isn't MLSE now Bell, JMR?
MLSE is owned by a Bell-Rogers partnership with Larry Tanenbaum having a minority stake.

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The Buffalo Sabres do not have a claim to the Hamilton market because the Sabres teritory into southern ontario only gose as far as St. Catheriens & no furthier than that .

The thing is it has always been the Leafs (MLSE.) that have been the ones that screwed Hamilton out of NHL. franchise not Buffalo & from what I understand the Sabres want Hamilton to have an NHL. team .
That's not the marker for territory. The market is being located in the 50 mile radius from Buffalo center, which Hamilton is. It's well established Hamilton is within both Toronto and Buffalo's area. You may be able to pay off both teams, but it would cost an enormous amount of money. Combine that with the cost to renovate Copps (Which grows every year), you've got a location that is off the 401 and has costs in every direction.

A prospective owner would want to control Copps Coliseum, which means either owning it or purchasing it's lease because the arena is one of the biggest money makers for a team. Who would want to renovate an arena they don't own either? Who know's if the city would even sell the arena either, and a lease isn't as good. This makes the plus about having an arena already built even more moot.

I don't think we'll ever see an NHL team in Hamilton because of these reasons. A new Toronto team makes too much sense and as Waterloo Region + Guelph continues to grow, its going to look like a much better market as well. Hamilton had it's chance back in the 1980s and early 1990s, but it's chance is slipping away. If it doesn't get a team by 2015, it will never get a team.

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That's not the marker for territory. The market is being located in the 50 mile radius from Buffalo center, which Hamilton is. It's well established Hamilton is within both Toronto and Buffalo's area. You may be able to pay off both teams, but it would cost an enormous amount of money. Combine that with the cost to renovate Copps (Which grows every year), you've got a location that is off the 401 and has costs in every direction.

A prospective owner would want to control Copps Coliseum, which means either owning it or purchasing it's lease because the arena is one of the biggest money makers for a team. Who would want to renovate an arena they don't own either? Who know's if the city would even sell the arena either, and a lease isn't as good. This makes the plus about having an arena already built even more moot.

I don't think we'll ever see an NHL team in Hamilton because of these reasons. A new Toronto team makes too much sense and as Waterloo Region + Guelph continues to grow, its going to look like a much better market as well. Hamilton had it's chance back in the 1980s and early 1990s, but it's chance is slipping away. If it doesn't get a team by 2015, it will never get a team.

Thing is, Copps is city owned and the city would be responsible for capital improvements, making it attractive for a prospective NHL owner.

Again, if MLSE does not want competition from a 3rd arena in southern Ontario, then I'd think they'd be more lenient toward a team in Hamilton.

It's all about dollars. If the league, Sabres and Leafs can cash in on a team in southern Ontario, then I think it'll happen sooner or later. it just depends on how it all shakes out between arena costs and territorial issues.

As the Buffalo franchise continues to get stronger, the prospect of a Hamilton franchise can change from being potentially damaging to becoming a financial opportunity by cashing in on the value of territorial rights.


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