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03-06-2013, 12:57 PM
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I know it's a big thing to give up, but the idea of Couts + Coburn for Shatty + Oshie might be fair. It was mentioned in the trade section.
Were I in the St. Louis FO, I'd be looking for more than that.

Couturier < Oshie
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According to the folks I talk to, the Flyers will be sellers at the trade deadline. Holmgren has sent out his list of untouchables and it's rather small. Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Couturier, B.Schenn, L.Schenn and Grossmann are the only untouchables at this point. Everything else is in play, including their first round pick. I haven't heard anything else with regards to rumours or the like, but now that the Flyers have submitted their untouchables, I expect the rumor mill to be in full swing.
I'm fine with this if true, but I'd add Read to the untouchables. At 900k, he's gold.

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Because we're looking for young players and prospects on the verge of making the NHL.

We're not looking to draft a defenseman that's 5-6 years out.
then why did we draft Gostisbehere

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I'm fine with this if true, but I'd add Read to the untouchables. At 900k, he's gold.
I agree about Read, would like him to be on list too.

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I agree about Read, would like him to be on list too.
He might not be on the list but I don't see us moving him unless another team blows us away with an offer. I think the same for Hartnell.

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Just because some players on on that list, doesn't mean Homer is just going to give them away

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then why did we draft Gostisbehere
What else are you going to use a 3rd round pick on?

It's not like he was a 1st round pick. 1st rounders have significant value externally.

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If I ran the zoo, there would be one name on the untouchables list: Giroux. Hartnell would be close, but every other player on this team could be moved for improvement. That doesn't mean trading for the sake of trading or setting out to tear up the team and start again. If, for example, Voracek + 1st = Ryan, I make that trade. If Couturier + Coburn = Weber (in July), I make that trade. I wouldn't sell the farm (so to speak) for big names, but some creative packaging could enhance this line-up significantly.

I would start with Brière, of course, after convincing him to waive his NMC.

I'm not as phobic as some about 1st round picks. This team needs quality and quantity in the minor-league system. Restricting moves to an arbitrary 2–4-year window is short-sighted. Sure, a player like Gormley would be ideal to grow with the young players already on the Flyers, but the farm club needs some lifeblood, too, and there's no way of telling if good-great prospects who are 4-6 years away might be packaged for a player who would fit a "one player away from the Cup" need in 2-3 years.

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I'm fine with this if true, but I'd add Read to the untouchables. At 900k, he's gold.
There's little need to move Read, but if he could be converted to an equivalently valuable, low-cost defenseman, I'd do it.

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Just because some players on on that list, doesn't mean Homer is just going to give them away
Excellent point. It's obvious but one we should remind ourselves of. Then again, our GM has the ability to make things interesting, along the spectrum from "Wow! What a gutsy move! I can't wait to see him in the line-up!" to "What the **** were you THINKING?!!???"

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What else are you going to use a 3rd round pick on?

It's not like he was a 1st round pick. 1st rounders have significant value externally.
A center obviously.
We should be drafting defenseman. The cupboard is bare with defensive prospects beyond Ghost.

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If I ran the zoo, there would be one name on the untouchables list: Giroux. Hartnell would be close, but every other player on this team could be moved for improvement. That doesn't mean trading for the sake of trading or setting out to tear up the team and start again. If, for example, Voracek + 1st = Ryan, I make that trade. If Couturier + Coburn = Weber (in July), I make that trade. I wouldn't sell the farm (so to speak) for big names, but some creative packaging could enhance this line-up significantly. ....
Wha-wha-whaaaat?! You can't be SIRIUS. No Franking Way.

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03-06-2013, 02:23 PM
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If, for example, Voracek + 1st = Ryan, I make that trade.
Wow. No. A thousand times no. You don't add to Voracek, no way, no how. That would be an awful trade for the Flyers. Yes Ryan is a hometown kid, yes he's a good player, but Voracek is 2.5 years younger, has a better contract, a better cap hit, and he's already got excellent chemistry w/ the one untouchable you listed (Giroux). No way I'm trading him + 1st for Ryan.

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If Couturier + Coburn = Weber (in July), I make that trade.
lol, who doesn't make that trade? Oh, that's right, Nashville.

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it's a dangerous time to be a Flyers fan.

team sounds like it's about to be decimated with bad trades

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Wha-wha-whaaaat?! You can't be SIRIUS. No Franking Way.
Yeah I am not so sure I would do that. Before this season I probably would have agreed with that, but Voracek has looked absolutely dynamite this season. Bobby Ryan has not been putting up crazy numbers this year, but I think the value of Voracek and Ryan is relatively close. Ryan still holds more value (if we are talking strictly playing ability and not contract length/cap hit) IMO, but I don't think I would do Voracek and a first for him.

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03-06-2013, 02:34 PM
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If we want Ryan we should just wait until he is a free agents unless it is a trade heavily in our favor

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it's a dangerous time to be a Flyers fan.

team sounds like it's about to be decimated with bad trades
I wouldn't say that Homer usually gets good value when he dumps off players. Now when he's a buyer it might be a different story at times.

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03-06-2013, 03:01 PM
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I think Holmgren has done well as a seller. We have only seen it his interim year and with the Richards/Carter trades, but he does get great value. Salary dumps and the Eminger trade are pretty much his only trade blemishes.

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I think Holmgren has done well as a seller. We have only seen it his interim year and with the Richards/Carter trades, but he does get great value. Salary dumps and the Eminger trade are pretty much his only trade blemishes.
To me, the Upshall + 2nd for Carcillo trade was also straight up ridiculous. You really had to add a 2nd to trade Upshall?

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According to the folks I talk to, the Flyers will be sellers at the trade deadline. Holmgren has sent out his list of untouchables and it's rather small. Giroux, Voracek, Simmonds, Couturier, B.Schenn, L.Schenn and Grossmann are the only untouchables at this point. Everything else is in play, including their first round pick. I haven't heard anything else with regards to rumours or the like, but now that the Flyers have submitted their untouchables, I expect the rumor mill to be in full swing.
I hope they hold onto that 1st rd pick until after the lottery.

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To me, the Upshall + 2nd for Carcillo trade was also straight up ridiculous. You really had to add a 2nd to trade Upshall?
Oh man, brought up Upshall. Haters are going to flood this post.

That being said, the trade happened because of the cap mismanagement. In order to keep Giroux up with Briere, he needed to trade someone and had to throw a 2nd in because he was desperate.

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If Coburn and Briere really are on the short list of people trying to be traded, then how about something like Coburn, Gus and Boosh for Cole + Allen. Then do Briere for Rundblad.

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Also, as a side question, there will be the ability to do amnesty this coming off-season and then the off-season next year right (after the 2013-14 season)? Asking because it would give us time to determine if we really want to keep Bryz or not after this year or the year after.
You really think the Blues would trade Allen? I figured he would be their backup. I think he would fetch more than that too. Allen would be nice to have, really nice. What other young backups could be had for relatively cheap? Bishop? Bernier??

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To me, the Upshall + 2nd for Carcillo trade was also straight up ridiculous. You really had to add a 2nd to trade Upshall?
Salary dump to get Giroux in the lineup. I agree terrible trade with that 2nd pick involved.

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To me, the Upshall + 2nd for Carcillo trade was also straight up ridiculous. You really had to add a 2nd to trade Upshall?
That was bad trade. It's hard to argue that.

If look you at his trades recently when he was a seller, he got some pretty good value in them.

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Oh man, brought up Upshall. Haters are going to flood this post.

That being said, the trade happened because of the cap mismanagement. In order to keep Giroux up with Briere, he needed to trade someone and had to throw a 2nd in because he was desperate.
I understand the circumstance but I guess I just have a hard time believing the 2nd was an absolute necessity. I'm sure he explored all avenues, but I really don't think, from what I've seen, that Holmgren values 2nd round picks.

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You really think the Blues would trade Allen? I figured he would be their backup. I think he would fetch more than that too.
Coburn has more value than Cole, and so, taking the extra value over Cole, plus Gus and Boosh, it should help up to Allen. Maybe throw in a 3rd or a 4th to sweeten the deal.

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