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03-03-2013, 05:55 PM
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I gotta give Pracey credit, when he started post-Lacroix the team was still calling up Jordan Krestanovich. Still some misfires from time to time (Carman Sandiego) but otherwise pretty solid. Hope they either snag a solid scoring winger or Joey Hishon's jack-in-the-box melon finally heals.

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03-03-2013, 06:22 PM
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If Avs think he isn't worth a ELC sign, then they know something.

IMO I think he was worth a shot, but at the same time he seems like Chouinard 2.0, which kind of sucks because I had high hopes for Chouinard.

Now the most underrated player in the Avs system is effin Condon, fun player to watch.
100% Agree. He is always a joy to watch on the PK.

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wow yikes lol I hope they attempt to get him back at least, his numbers on Portland have been impressive. 60 points 2nd in scoring
Ryan Wilson 75 and 71 points with Sarnia in Ohl
Gaunce 64 points with Mississauga

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To be fair, to myself, I have not flip-flopped and claimed that I've 'always' liked him or anything like that. I've always said that I didn't like the pick back then and that I hope I was wrong about him.

I still have hopes for Charles-Olivier Roussel, it might take him a while to make it, if he does at all.
Oh I wasn't trying to insult your or anything. It was quite fun going back and re-reading the posts from that 2009 Draft. I actually ALWAYS look forward to your Pre-Draft Top 30 Lists.

I was actually giving you major props for your responses to our picks, though I did find the Barrie response to be humorous. And you're right, to your credit you've not "flip-flopped", rather just stated that you hope you're wrong.

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With Barrie and maybe Elliott being part of Avs now, we must have the worst prospect pool in the league, except maybe Calgary.

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With Barrie and maybe Elliott being part of Avs now, we must have the worst prospect pool in the league, except maybe Calgary.
While it may be true, everyone in the core is under 25 years old, and closer to 22 years of age. Not as big of a deal as it sounds like.

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With Barrie and maybe Elliott being part of Avs now, we must have the worst prospect pool in the league, except maybe Calgary.
We have Siemens, Pickard, Aittokallio and.... Hishon? Smith? Meurs? Beaupre? Bourke? Millan?
Yeah, not so sexy.
But it's true that most our prospects are already in the NHL, e.g. Kadri didn't play on the Leafs full-time until now and he's from the same draft class as our regulars Duchene, O'Reilly and now Barrie.
And we even have Lando from the '11 draft playing with us.

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With Barrie and maybe Elliott being part of Avs now, we must have the worst prospect pool in the league, except maybe Calgary.
Our pool isn't very good, but we still got some future NHLers in the pipeline. For the sake of argument we will keep Barrie and Elliott on the graduated side (though I think Elliott gets sent down here soon).

The Avs still have these prospects that have legit NHL potential (ie should make it, might miss on one):

Siemens (top 4 D)
Pickard (good NHL starter)
Sgarbossa (2nd/3rd liner)
Beaupre (will make it as a bottom pairing shutdown guy, with some surprising offensive skill)

These prospects have the talent to make the NHL but have some real questions still (2-3 might make it):

Bourke (closest to the higher group)
Condon (could be a great PK specialist, will breakout in his first AHL season)
Aittokallio
Smith
Millan
Patterson
Meurs
Carey
Blandisi
Heard

So with what I see in our system, we are not lacking depth in players (bottom 6/ bottom pairing). We are lacking high end skill. With the graduated players, we have nobody that really has legit top pairing/1st line potential (Siemens might be the only one). Going further only a few players have legit top 4/top 6 potential. IMO the Avs have to hit on the first couple rounds to gain some high-end depth in the system to have the ability to replace players like Jones, Stastny, PAP (at the end of his contract if he goes downhill), etc going forward.

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03-06-2013, 10:15 AM
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I thought it'd be interesting to dig up some of our old comments from 3 of our players we selected in the 2009 NHL Draft

Comments on Ryan O'Reilly







Comments on Stefan Elliott





Comments on Tyson Barrie





I'd say that Bender had some great insight for our picks back then, because he DID have O'Reilly listed in the 1st round. And while he wasn't a fan of the Barrie pick, I think we can all give him a free pass.

Anywho, I found it interesting to go back and see what we all thought of our picks. Some of us were split on the O'Reilly selection, believing that he'd never amount to anything but a typical 3rd line C, but as of last season, he's proven the people who thought that wrong.
haha. That is interesting.

One thing that I didn't like about Barrie is that his family is completely loaded. I thought for sure there would be motivation issues, but obviously there isn't. He has been an excellent pick.

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03-06-2013, 10:35 AM
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With Barrie and maybe Elliott being part of Avs now, we must have the worst prospect pool in the league, except maybe Calgary.
We have some underrated players like Condon and Bourke, but we should wait until after the 2013 draft before calling our pool the worst in the league.

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One thing that I didn't like about Barrie is that his family is completely loaded. I thought for sure there would be motivation issues, but obviously there isn't. He has been an excellent pick.
Shattenkirk is from Greenwich, CT, or thereabouts, a rather wealthy area too. Looks like drafting well-to-do RH PMD's is a good strategy.

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03-06-2013, 03:10 PM
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Honestly, I couldn't care less if we don't have a "sexy" prospect pool. There have been plenty of teams with a highly touted prospect pool that did absolutely nothing with it. I'd much rather have what the Avalanche have now, a lot of young NHLers on the roster. At least you know they can play in the big leagues.

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Honestly, I couldn't care less if we don't have a "sexy" prospect pool. There have been plenty of teams with a highly touted prospect pool that did absolutely nothing with it. I'd much rather have what the Avalanche have now, a lot of young NHLers on the roster. At least you know they can play in the big leagues.
Well said. HF keeps ranking the Panthros among the top prospect pools in the league, but hell if none of them ever pan out. Huberdeau and Kulikov are about the only worthwhile players they've churned out in recent memory.

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03-06-2013, 04:15 PM
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Honestly, I couldn't care less if we don't have a "sexy" prospect pool. There have been plenty of teams with a highly touted prospect pool that did absolutely nothing with it. I'd much rather have what the Avalanche have now, a lot of young NHLers on the roster. At least you know they can play in the big leagues.
Agree, its not like our NHL team is all old guys like some of those past Red Wing teams where we need to replace a bunch in a year or two. Starting next year with good drafting, we should see the pool get better since not so many guys will be coming into the team.

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Well said. HF keeps ranking the Panthros among the top prospect pools in the league, but hell if none of them ever pan out. Huberdeau and Kulikov are about the only worthwhile players they've churned out in recent memory.
I kind of agree, Kulikov (2009) is a great pick, Huberdeau (2011) and Shore (2009) are both playing great, and Markstrom (2008) will be in an NHL regular sooner than later. But Shore's upside is probably somewhat limited.

After that they'll still have Bjugstad, Howden, Petrovic, and Grimaldi developing, but other than Bjugstad I feel like propsects like that are available every year late in the 1st.

In contrast since 2009 we've had Duchene, O'reilly, Landeskog, and Barrie crack the roster, with Siemens, Elliot, Pickard (and Sgarbossa) developing. Can't help Hishon's injury but he's right there with Florida's second tier guys in terms quality. A couple strong drafts and our prospect pool will be re-stocked. I think we just have to be more patient; this rebuild will take longer than expected but that's ok.

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03-06-2013, 04:30 PM
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I don't think this management really cares about having a strong system. They mainly focus on getting the pieces together at a NHL level (which I don't think is really that bad of thing). The Varly trade is a perfect example of that. We were willing to give up two good picks to get the team in order now. In the EJ trade we were willing to give up a good prospect in Captain Kirk. ROB for Bournival. So basically if we ever get a strong system built up, fully expect some of those pieces to be sent out to finish the NHL team.

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I don't think this management really cares about having a strong system. They mainly focus on getting the pieces together at a NHL level (which I don't think is really that bad of thing). The Varly trade is a perfect example of that. We were willing to give up two good picks to get the team in order now. In the EJ trade we were willing to give up a good prospect in Captain Kirk. ROB for Bournival. So basically if we ever get a strong system built up, fully expect some of those pieces to be sent out to finish the NHL team.
Well I think that's why system depth is so important in a cap world.

a) fill holes directly with cheap talent
b) trade prospects for young NHL ready players that are better fits and cheaper than what's available in UFA

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Well I think that's why system depth is so important in a cap world.

a) fill holes directly with cheap talent
b) trade prospects for young NHL ready players that are better fits and cheaper than what's available in UFA
I agree, I just don't see any evidence that management agrees. I think there needs to be a balance. You need to have some system depth in case of injuries, losing players to free agency, and for trade parts. You also can't collect so many prospects that they can't develop. It is a fine balance that only a few organization really seem to pull off well.

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I agree, I just don't see any evidence that management agrees. I think there needs to be a balance. You need to have some system depth in case of injuries, losing players to free agency, and for trade parts. You also can't collect so many prospects that they can't develop. It is a fine balance that only a few organization really seem to pull off well.
I can't help but think this team undervalues the development of role players. Yes, to some degree they're a dime-a-dozen, but most projected bottom-six forwards for this club seem to go the way of Riku Hahl. Right now it's hard to say what will happen with guys like Brad Malone and Luke Walker, but Walker's lack of progress is not encouraging. And the jury's still out on guys like Sgarbossa, Heard, Condon, Nermark, etc.

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I can't help but think this team undervalues the development of role players. Yes, to some degree they're a dime-a-dozen, but most projected bottom-six forwards for this club seem to go the way of Riku Hahl. Right now it's hard to say what will happen with guys like Brad Malone and Luke Walker, but Walker's lack of progress is not encouraging. And the jury's still out on guys like Sgarbossa, Heard, Condon, Nermark, etc.
Agreed. Though Sgarbossa isn't a bottom 6 guy. He is going to try to be developed to be a #2C first, then #2LW, then #3C. If he ends up on the bottom 6 it will be because he didn't develop fully.

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haha. That is interesting.

One thing that I didn't like about Barrie is that his family is completely loaded. I thought for sure there would be motivation issues, but obviously there isn't. He has been an excellent pick.
Not anymore.

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What even happened to Joel Chouinard?

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What even happened to Joel Chouinard?
Fell behind Barrie and Elliott and didn't produce when he had the shot.

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Fell behind Barrie and Elliott and didn't produce when he had the shot.
He did sustain a terrible injury (if I remember it was an injured hand or a broken rib), which kept him out between 20-40 games during his fantastic rookie season and has never been the same with one of the reasons as you mentioned, Barrie & Elliott.

E: Av: Yeah I was just guessing what type of injury it was, all I remember is it was a brutal injury that kept him out for a long, long period of time.


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I thought it was a shoulder injury that ruined that promising rookie season. In any event he's not even AHL-capable right now, so I'm not too hopeful as to his prospects.

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