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03-06-2013, 03:08 PM
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Doesn't get Backstrom alone.
Give me some of what you're smoking, because you are HIGH.

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03-06-2013, 03:27 PM
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Nothing on the Leafs roster would get the Caps to trade Alzner. Especially the quantity stuff your offering. Finn/Percy have little to no value. Grabo doesn't have much, he's overpaid and severely underperforming. Gardiner is a nice piece, but again he only hopes to be the Dman Alzner already is.

No reason for the Caps to move him for your package. And theres no reason for them to move Alzner for anything at all from the Leafs.
Says the Caps fan....hello irony!

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03-06-2013, 03:29 PM
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Nothing on the Leafs roster would get the Caps to trade Alzner. Especially the quantity stuff your offering. Finn/Percy have little to no value. Grabo doesn't have much, he's overpaid and severely underperforming. Gardiner is a nice piece, but again he only hopes to be the Dman Alzner already is.

No reason for the Caps to move him for your package. And theres no reason for them to move Alzner for anything at all from the Leafs.
Pretty sure prospects drafted in the late 1st, early 2nd from the past two years have value, obviously not the value of Alzner alone, but surely more than little to no value. And Grabo may be slightly overpaid but is no less the player he was pre-Carlyle, he is just adjusting to a defence first role. The man plays a shutdown role, taking on other teams top lines and he still has only a -2.

"Grabovski’s Relative Corsi Quality of Competition, a metric that measures the quality of opposition a player faces, is third highest on the team at 1.568, up from 0.686 a season ago. To put that in a broader perspective, Grabovski is currently playing against the 14th toughest competition league-wide at even strength among forwards with 15 or more games played."

Surely he has some value.

And Gardiner is Gardiner, a man whose value changes daily on HFB.

EDIT: Not trying to fight, just get frustrated that on HFB a 1st is gold but a player drafted with a 1st just two seasons ago with 0 regression is considered little to nothing. And Grabo gets no credit for the work he has put in to help us into the playoff race. If it was Wilson coaching, JVR, Bozak and Kessel would be playing against other team's top lines.

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03-06-2013, 03:34 PM
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Says the Caps fan....hello irony!
His username is "Avsare1"

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I'll give you a minute to figure that one out.

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03-06-2013, 03:35 PM
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Backstrom
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Why do people constantly ignore the fact Kessel only has 1 more year to UFA?

Nobody is going to give up cornerstone players for a guy that *might* walk so soon.

Until Kessel is extended, his value is pretty much limited to that of a playoff rental.

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03-06-2013, 03:40 PM
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His username is "Avsare1"

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I'll give you a minute to figure that one out.
Gee... thanks tips....maybe you can now explain how a "non-Caps" fan comments on what the Caps will and will not do with absolution.

I await your response with held breathe.

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03-06-2013, 03:50 PM
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Gee... thanks tips....maybe you can now explain how a "non-Caps" fan comments on what the Caps will and will not do with absolution.

I await your response with held breathe.
You don't have to be a Caps fan to know that the Caps have absolutely 0 interest in trading Alzner.

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Kessel for Backstrom

Done and done.

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Sorry caps wouldn't trade a number 2, let alone an elite center.

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03-06-2013, 04:49 PM
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Give me some of what you're smoking, because you are HIGH.
A one dimensional winger with a year left on his contract, an overpaid but decent 2nd line center and a 2nd pairing PMD with concussion issues and flaky defense that the caps already have a ton of for a franchise #1 center and a Marc Staal caliber DFD.

Trading Backstrom for Kessel after letting Semin walk would be the most ******** move in the history of the league.

Toronto does it immediately with absolutely no hesitation. Two most important pieces of their rebuild acquired just like that, with a billion UFA wingers available to replace or upgrade the loss of Kessel.

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Gee... thanks tips....maybe you can now explain how a "non-Caps" fan comments on what the Caps will and will not do with absolution.

I await your response with held breathe.
caps fans and avs fans had quite a few pointed discussions over Alzner during the O'Reilly saga in which it was estalished that he was a non-starter for any "realistic value" deal.

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Leafs don't do this.

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03-06-2013, 04:53 PM
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If Nonis has this deal on the table and doesn't take it he gets fired.

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03-06-2013, 04:54 PM
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If Nonis has this deal on the table and doesn't take it he gets fired.
No he doesn't.

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caps fans and avs fans had quite a few pointed discussions over Alzner during the O'Reilly saga in which it was estalished that he was a non-starter for any "realistic value" deal.
Ok...that makes sense. Sorry all.

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I like Backstrom, and maybe the price for him would be that high but it would harm us more than help us to make that kind of trade. Stop smoking what Damien Cox is, we are unlikely to trade Kessel just because Cox wants us to.

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03-06-2013, 04:59 PM
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No he doesn't.
Assuming the people he reports to know the first thing about Backstrom he does. Not only does the value hugely favor the leafs but it gets them two extremely hard pieces to obtain that are key for the rebuild, and puts them in a position where they can easily replace their loss in Kessel in the offseason.

Comparable value to Backstrom + Alzner would be something like Giroux + Coburn.

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03-06-2013, 05:01 PM
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Easily replace Kessel ? Can I get the number of your dealer because he must have good stuff.

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Comparable value to Backstrom + Alzner would be something like Giroux + Coburn.


Those duos are not even close to being comparable pal.

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03-06-2013, 05:04 PM
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Those duos are not even close to being comparable pal.
Even if you give an edge to philly it's pretty damn close.

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Easily replace Kessel ? Can I get the number of your dealer because he must have good stuff.
Yeah, not like Semin or Perry are UFAs or anything.

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Yeah, not like Semin or Perry are UFAs or anything.
Oh so that means we'd automatically get them ?

Not sure we'd want Semen.

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Even if you give an edge to philly it's pretty damn close.
Major edge to Philly and yes, it's not close.

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Oh so that means we'd automatically get them ?

Not sure we'd want Semen.
Why not? Semin is much better than Kessel defensively, better in the corners, actually hits more, and has better career numbers. Only thing Kessel has on him is his snap shot at full speed. Their playmaking is at a similar level and Kessel doesn't have all those BS "leadership" qualities fanboys jump on, just like Semin. Yet Leafs fans are generally completely in love with Kessel. Why wouldn't you get a comparable (I'd say superior but I don't want to hurt feelings) player for free?

Hell, even if you get an ok top 6 forward like Clowe, Backstrom + decent top 6 forward > Grabovski + Kessel, especially given how much winger depth the Leafs have even without him.

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03-06-2013, 05:17 PM
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Major edge to Philly and yes, it's not close.
Giroux had a 95 point season on a team where Max Talbot scored 20 and the towel boy could have scored 10, and now he's hf's new mancrush. Backstrom himself has had 100 point season but no one remembers it. Backstrom is PPG over his career with more games played, Giroux is < PPG. Backstrom is also unquestionably better defensively. There's also a bigger concern that Giroux will break down given how physical he is for such a small guy.

Alzner is 4 years younger than Coburn and already better than him defensively. Offense probably won't be up there but Coburn isn't much of an offensive defenseman himself.

To say there's a major edge to Philly means you haven't been following the other two but merely listened to hf groupthink.

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