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03-06-2013, 10:05 AM
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My point wasn't not having talent, it's not having grit. Yes teams win with talent but still had the grit you need in the play-offs.

EVERYONE! was talking for weeks about who they wanted to play in the play-offs and how they where so excited for the Yotes to be our opponent because the Hawks would crush them with their superior talent. Then the Yotes punched the Hawks in the mouth, stole their girlfriend and went home.

Don't come on here a make the same mistake twice talking about how this team will roll through the playoffs.
The Hawks completely out played the Yotes, no one expected Mike Smith to pull a Patrick Roy. If not for Smith, Chicago would of cruised through the 1st round. he was the ONLY reason PHX won.

The Hawks may run into a insanely hot goalie in the 1st round again, who knows? But they won't lose because of lack of "grit", they have enough of that.

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03-06-2013, 10:49 AM
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you're drastically overstating how well Smith played. throwing countless unscreened shots right into the pads of a goalie who's in the butterfly basically the entire time the puck is in his own zone isn't going to win games.

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03-06-2013, 11:48 AM
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you're drastically overstating how well Smith played. throwing countless unscreened shots right into the pads of a goalie who's in the butterfly basically the entire time the puck is in his own zone isn't going to win games.
Yeah... I thought I must have been remembering the series incorrectly based on some of those posts.

Hawks were the better team in the actual play (i.e. everything but goaltending), but it was by no means complete domination like many are suggesting. Smith was very good, but he didn't play that well.

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03-06-2013, 11:57 AM
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Exactly. The Hawks controlled the play against Phoenix but Smith wasn't making saves like Crawford and Howard made on Sunday throughout that series. Lot of perimeter shots from the Hawks.

Phoenix also won the season series against the Hawks 3-1 last year. They were a bad matchup for last year's team.

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03-06-2013, 12:29 PM
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Stan said he is looking for a role playing C before the deadline. On ESPN. Now wanting and making it happen are two different things.http://espn.go.com/blog/nhl/post/_/i...s-flyers-wings

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03-06-2013, 01:01 PM
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0.00 39 39 1.000 1
1.92 38 36 .947
1.93 32 30 .938
1.64 37 35 .946
3.40 50 46 .920
1.73 45 43 .956

229svs on 241shots = 950sv%

Ya, he didn't play that well at all.

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03-06-2013, 01:06 PM
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0.00 39 39 1.000 1
1.92 38 36 .947
1.93 32 30 .938
1.64 37 35 .946
3.40 50 46 .920
1.73 45 43 .956

229svs on 241shots = 950sv%

Ya, he didn't play that well at all.
Shot quality matters.

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03-06-2013, 01:06 PM
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0.00 39 39 1.000 1
1.92 38 36 .947
1.93 32 30 .938
1.64 37 35 .946
3.40 50 46 .920
1.73 45 43 .956

229svs on 241shots = 950sv%

Ya, he didn't play that well at all.
He played very well, and ours didn't play very well. That's a bad combination.

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03-06-2013, 01:07 PM
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Shot quality matters.
Are you telling me out of 241 shots, that there weren't taht many quality shots?

Look at this video, it was just in 1 period.


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03-06-2013, 01:26 PM
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Yeah... I thought I must have been remembering the series incorrectly based on some of those posts.

Hawks were the better team in the actual play (i.e. everything but goaltending), but it was by no means complete domination like many are suggesting. Smith was very good, but he didn't play that well.
In a nutshell, it was a classic rope-a-dope. Hawks had the edge in play throughout but many of Hawks shots were quite stoppable. Not to say Smith wasn't hot, he came up big every game, and their team rode on that and gained confidence from it, while ours waned from the inability to score. When Yotes needed a goal, they turned up the grit and often got it... and the OT's ... well ... we all are familiar with that disaster.....

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03-06-2013, 01:38 PM
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Are you telling me out of 241 shots, that there weren't taht many quality shots?

Look at this video, it was just in 1 period.

No, there were definitely quality shots but it did seem like a majority were from the perimeter, bad angles or right into his chest. I didn't feel like Smith was stealing games from the Hawks though.

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03-06-2013, 02:33 PM
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In a nutshell, it was a classic rope-a-dope. Hawks had the edge in play throughout but many of Hawks shots were quite stoppable. Not to say Smith wasn't hot, he came up big every game, and their team rode on that and gained confidence from it, while ours waned from the inability to score. When Yotes needed a goal, they turned up the grit and often got it... and the OT's ... well ... we all are familiar with that disaster.....
Turned up the grit? Unless Doan has magical powers to make opposing goalies suck and make the other team sleepwalk through games that he calls "the grit" I'm not giving Phoenix's physical play too much credit.

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No, there were definitely quality shots but it did seem like a majority were from the perimeter, bad angles or right into his chest. I didn't feel like Smith was stealing games from the Hawks though.
Some of the shot totals:

CHI 45 - 34
CHI 50 - 33
CHI 37 - 34
CHI 32 - 19
CHI 38 - 19
CHI 39 - 20

Their goalie stole at least 3 or 4 of the games.
Smith was great, if he was Chicago's goalie in the playoffs last year, Chicago probably wins the cup, or get's at least to the 3rd round.

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03-06-2013, 03:12 PM
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you make it sound like he halaked us, which he didn't. we played perimeter hockey, and while he played well, he wasn't challenged that much.

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03-06-2013, 03:18 PM
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you make it sound like he halaked us, which he didn't. we played perimeter hockey, and while he played well, he wasn't challenged that much.
He stood on his head. Our goalie sucked balls.
That's why we lost.
That's my point.

We didn't lose because of lack of grit.

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03-06-2013, 03:23 PM
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We lost because we played roughly ten minutes a game and Crawford had a MAF-esque series.

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03-06-2013, 03:25 PM
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We lost because we played roughly ten minutes a game and Crawford had a MAF-esque series.
That's a lot of shots to get in 10mins.

If we won and it was Crawford making all those saves, people would say we won because of Crawford.

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03-06-2013, 05:12 PM
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He stood on his head. Our goalie sucked balls.
That's why we lost.
That's my point.

We didn't lose because of lack of grit.
Agree on Craw last year being the difference.

The reason why I want to upgrade #2C is the deeper the team is offensively, the harder it is for a goalie to stand on his head. Right now - both Bolland and Sharp are really struggling at ES. If there is an upgrade available, having everyone producing makes a BIG difference because I don't think that we can count on getting the relatively consistent production we've gotten from the #3 line, along with stellar goaltending and PK'ing, which covers up for the struggles of the #2 line.

And from above, I do think the #2C is a glaring need. Bolland is averaging less than .5 PPG, while getting almost 18 minutes per game (including 2nd unit PP time and almost no time PK'ing), is still weak in F/O's, and the only - rated forward on the team. Pretty tough to be a negative player on a team that his something like +30 at ES over 20 games.

NOTE: I'm not saying that it is absolutely VITAL that the Hawks get a #2 center. In the cap era - every team has it's holes, but I just don't feel that the overall great play of the team should camoflauge the fact that there IS a hole, and I hope that Bowman is aggressive in addressing it. If there isn't a deal done, Hawk would still probably be favorites for the Cup, but since even the favorite is a huge long shot, that doesn't mean a ton to me.


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03-06-2013, 05:15 PM
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The Hawks completely out played the Yotes, no one expected Mike Smith to pull a Patrick Roy. If not for Smith, Chicago would of cruised through the 1st round. he was the ONLY reason PHX won.

The Hawks may run into a insanely hot goalie in the 1st round again, who knows? But they won't lose because of lack of "grit", they have enough of that.
It was Smith's good play and Crawford's awful play. Lets not forget he let in 2 of the worst OT goals I've ever seen.

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03-06-2013, 07:04 PM
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You guys are blowing Crawford's overall play throughout the playoffs very poorly. He played very well last year in the playoffs, but gave up 2 softies in OT. You can't in your right mind blame purely goaltending for the loss to the Coyotes. Crawford looked good through 60 minutes in almost every game, and definitely played well enough for this team to win. If someone steps up and elevates a puck against Smith, none of those games should have made it to OT, and Crawford wouldn't have given up the softies. Sure, he should have stopped those shots, but with the firepower on this team and the way we controlled the play against them, we shouldn't have gotten to that point.

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Mike Smith is a sieve.


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06-25-2013, 01:53 PM
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