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03-05-2013, 10:01 PM
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Two things about Gill...

1: Him and Scuderi were hated on all through the regular season for their lack of ability to outlet the puck with any purpose, as well as for their skating deficiencies (mostly Gill obviously.
2: In the playoffs that pairing worked splendidly, because they didn't actually play 'Bylsma hockey', and for Gill in particular, the playoffs is his habitat as the refs simply don't call obstruction the same way. Hence he could stand up forwards entering the zone in a completely different way than most times during the regular season.

So - for Murray much of this is the same actually. He is also a better playoff performer than his regular season play would suggest.
If we traded Niskanen as part of getting a top6 upgrade, say, then I could surely dig a Murray pickup at the deadline (but I think San Jose will be less willing to deal him than their fans, because they KNOW that he is an impact guy for them in the playoffs).

Question is if Murray could insulate Letang... allow him to roam? He has been used to play with Dan Boyle, and Letang is now better than Boyle in pretty much all ways except shot/PP ability. Perhaps let Despres join Despres more for offensive zone draws to give him some more ice and make sure Murray doesn't have to keep up with LEtang TOI wise....

Orpik Martin
Murray Letang
Despres Engelland

Not a pushover defense, that. At least it shouldn't be.

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03-05-2013, 10:04 PM
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Something like Engelland and a 5th for Murray and Niskanen and Kennedy for Hainsey.
Masochist much?

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I just want Gill back.

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Orpik Martin
Murray Letang
Despres Engelland

Not a pushover defense, that. At least it shouldn't be.
I appreciate you wanting an intimidating defense, but I would go further and say I'd even rather have an intimidating offense: namely big, physical wingers who could really lean on other teams defense. I'd rather focus on being an even more difficult team to play against in the offensive zone than the defensive zone. (and I HATE to give credit to Philly, but they have done a very good job of adding size on the wall/up front with Simmonds, Voracek, Schenn, etc.)


So think about this: if we could trade Kennedy's 5'9 stature for Iginla, Stewart or Perry as power forwards? I'd way rather spend our assets in that direction than thinking about getting a guy like Murray who has ZERO future with this team, and who would not be inexpensive to acquire. (and he's probably not even available anyway)

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03-06-2013, 12:27 AM
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I appreciate you wanting an intimidating defense, but I would go further and say I'd even rather have an intimidating offense
I am not the one around here most hell bent on intimidation, but I do want a D that can deal with strong forechecks; one that has genuinely complimentary pairings and one that doesn't let our high scoring go to waste by being blown apart by a bit of huff and puff.
Nor do I want a D that relies too intensely on rookies. No one who cares about winning should.

I would rather say that we score enough that it is not an absolute requirement to talk about our size deficiency up front.
Getting such a player would be a 'very nice to have'. But not at the expense of further pussifying our D. Again, I don't even think we have to add a D-man. But if we don't, it has to be because Despres makes it next to Letang. Niskanen-Letang will not hold up under fire. I just know that, and we really don't have anyone else unless we break up Martin-Brooks, and I see zero reason to do so.

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03-06-2013, 07:11 AM
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I appreciate you wanting an intimidating defense, but I would go further and say I'd even rather have an intimidating offense: namely big, physical wingers who could really lean on other teams defense. I'd rather focus on being an even more difficult team to play against in the offensive zone than the defensive zone. (and I HATE to give credit to Philly, but they have done a very good job of adding size on the wall/up front with Simmonds, Voracek, Schenn, etc.)
I'm inclined to think this way as well. Right now we aren't physically wearing other teams down in the offensive or defensive zones. Guys like Murray and Gill can do that in the defensive zone but they give up a lot of mobility to do so. Basically you'd be trading one strength (mobility) for another (physicality). That might make sense for a playoff run where stamina is critical, but if you can bring in larger, more physical forwards who have some skill then you can accomplish the process of wearing down your opponent and maintain a deep and mobile defensive corps. Hopefully the cost of acquiring such a player or players won't be prohibitive. If it is then I say bring in a Dman that can clear the crease and consistently punish teams who try to set up shop around our net.

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If we were dealing with the Sharks...I want Joe Pavelski

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If we were dealing with the Sharks...I want Joe Pavelski
Well who doesn't

I'd say Pavelski and Couture are their two untouchables in terms of forwards.

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Yeah, I have completely forgotten that Pavelski isn't the redheaded step child there anymore. I still think he's pretty much ideal here, especially for Geno and Neal. Plays a physical game, can set up and score, right handed, can take faceoffs and win them with frequency, very responsible all over the ice, and plays a style that'd mesh really well here.

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I want Scuderi back

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Our system wasnt the same when Gill was here under Byslma. IIRC

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What would it take to get Havlat?

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Well who doesn't

I'd say Pavelski and Couture are their two untouchables in terms of forwards.

This is true. These guys are their future and are virtually untouchable.


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What would it take to get Havlat?

Either not a lot, or we could get Havlat++ for Brooks Orpik.

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I don't want Douglas Murray on this team. He can't skate to save his life. I know Gill couldn't skate either, but he had success because he had great reach and when the '09 playoffs came around his bearhugs for some reason became legal.

Wish we had a guy like Matt Greene on our back end.

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I'd love for us to pick up Clowe. Big, mean, force along the boards, solid playmaker, good in front of the net, comes from a different conference, impending UFA, value at an all-time low.

He's pretty slow, but I don't think that would be a huge problem on Malkin's line.

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This is true. These guys are their future and are virtually untouchable.





Either not a lot, or we could get Havlat++ for Brooks Orpik.
Havlat would be a great option in case we luck out on Perry and Iginla.

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I've mentioned it before, but - I absolutely love Douglas Murray. Has been one of my favorite players for a long time. I'm just curious as to how anyone could watch him play the last year or so and think he could be a fit here.

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03-06-2013, 06:20 PM
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Can't we just bring Hal Gill back? He's cheaper and better than Scuderi.
I was pissed when he left and was pissed Shero wasn't able to grab him last year at the TDL.

I remember posting about the pens signing him when he was a UFA before he signed that Leafs deal and people were soooo quick to spit fire.

FFWD a few years later and he is one of the main reasons we won that cup... but hey what the hell do I know! ha

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I'd love for us to pick up Clowe. Big, mean, force along the boards, solid playmaker, good in front of the net, comes from a different conference, impending UFA, value at an all-time low.

He's pretty slow, but I don't think that would be a huge problem on Malkin's line.
Agreed on all fronts. He brings stability to that 2nd line as well as adding some much needed toughness to play against.

Somethings this team is really lacking.

I would welcome Murray as well on the back end.

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I like the idea of a Murray-type on this D corps. But (and I'm going to try to put this delicately since people seem particularly prone to getting their PCP's in a twist for contrary opinions, lately) I don't really think he'd be a good fit in this system and that we'd likely hate him within a week.

In fact, I don't know how much I'd give up for any defensive help, period, this year. Until some, um, adjustments can be made. If they can be made.

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I like the idea of a Murray-type on this D corps. But (and I'm going to try to put this delicately since people seem particularly prone to getting their PCP's in a twist for contrary opinions, lately) I don't really think he'd be a good fit in this system and that we'd likely hate him within a week.

In fact, I don't know how much I'd give up for any defensive help, period, this year. Until some, um, adjustments can be made. If they can be made.
By this I really hope you mean the disco dip-**** gets canned...

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