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07-24-2006, 05:01 PM
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True, but there's also the chance you land a Hejduk, Daze, Lehtinen, Svehla Horcoff, Handzus, McCauley, Kapanen, etc... If you have no use for a player, you're better off with a draft pick (even a late one) as the more you dig the better chance you'll strike gold.
I agree 100% - there always is talent found late in the draft. But of the 30 4th rounders the years that Hejduk and Daze were drafted a total of 4 guys each year had NHL careers of note, and only their career was better than Tanabe. That would mean (based on a really small sample size) that you've got about a 13% chance to get a NHL player, and a 3% chance to get a player better than Tanabe. Horcoff was one of 2 players in his draft year to have a NHL career.

I just find it funny that someone could say with a straight fact that a 4th round pick has more value than a 26 YO d-man that is a legit (if marginal) NHL player.

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07-24-2006, 06:01 PM
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I agree 100% - there always is talent found late in the draft. But of the 30 4th rounders the years that Hejduk and Daze were drafted a total of 4 guys each year had NHL careers of note, and only their career was better than Tanabe. That would mean (based on a really small sample size) that you've got about a 13% chance to get a NHL player, and a 3% chance to get a player better than Tanabe. Horcoff was one of 2 players in his draft year to have a NHL career.
Hejduk was drafted in the same year as Lukowich and Varada and I'd have taken either of those players careers over Tanabe's.

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07-24-2006, 06:09 PM
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Hejduk was drafted in the same year as Lukowich and Varada and I'd have taken either of those players careers over Tanabe's.
I'm not so sure that's the point, taking an arbitrary draft year of 4th round picks and saying that 3 or 4 are better than Tanabe? I think it was Beukeboom who has the most prevailing common sense...saying that there's a 10% chance of getting this and 3% chance of getting that...when Tanabe at 26 and a former first round pick...and the team (the Penguins) that wants him (well, just me I guess) has at least two fourth round picks...I don't know I think you can piece it together, it's worth the gamble and it's not an overpayment...seems alright to me...

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07-24-2006, 06:20 PM
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I'm not so sure that's the point, taking an arbitrary draft year of 4th round picks and saying that 3 or 4 are better than Tanabe? I think it was Beukeboom who has the most prevailing common sense...saying that there's a 10% chance of getting this and 3% chance of getting that...when Tanabe at 26 and a former first round pick...and the team (the Penguins) that wants him (well, just me I guess) has at least two fourth round picks...I don't know I think you can piece it together, it's worth the gamble and it's not an overpayment...seems alright to me...
The Penguins don't need Tanabe. He'd only be a 6th defenseman at best with their current lineup. In the rare case Tanabe does start to live up to his potential he's a ufa at the end of the season so what's stopping him from bolting to another team?

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07-24-2006, 06:30 PM
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Replacing Thornton with Sturm, Stuart and Primeau gave the Bruins maybe an extra $1 million in cap space.

Chara makes over 7 times that much money.

They save 1 million, but also fill up two other roster spots.

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The Penguins don't need Tanabe. He'd only be a 6th defenseman at best with their current lineup. In the rare case Tanabe does start to live up to his potential he's a ufa at the end of the season so what's stopping him from bolting to another team?
With what the Penguins are doing this offseason and the progression of their prospects...realistically you don't need Tanabe...but, at the same time, it's a year "risk," at most, and you see if a change of scenery sparks something in the kid and he turns out alright? Absolute worst case, we waive him and send him to the minors...then we lose his rights next year...low risk (extra 4th rounder at best) and high reward (he could turn out to be what his potential originally was believed to be)...maybe the Penguins don't need him in a couple weeks when I see other moves...but the Penguins part isn't exactly the point I'm making anymore...it's the very notion of trading a 4th round pick for Tanabe, it's not as ridiculous as some people make it out to be...

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07-24-2006, 07:05 PM
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I'd be all over that if I was running the Sharks. Tanabe and Setoguchi to hook the large Asian (well mainly Japanese in particular) population in the Bay Area.
Yeah, but that whole marketing deal usually works better when the player doesn't suck.

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With what the Penguins are doing this offseason and the progression of their prospects...realistically you don't need Tanabe...but, at the same time, it's a year "risk," at most, and you see if a change of scenery sparks something in the kid and he turns out alright?
He's been on 3 different teams in the last 4 seasons. For some reason I don't think a change of scenery's really going to do him much good.

Also there are a few defensemen with more promise than Tanabe in the Penguins system that could crack the roster this season. The Penguins aren't competing for a playoff spot this year in all likelihood (not that Tanabe would make any difference), if they want to compete for a Stanley cup when Malkin, Crosby, Fleury, Whitney, Welch and Staal are hitting their stride, then the Pens had better develop some other players that well be ready to play alongside them when that time comes.

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Andy Wozniewski for David Tanabe?

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Something around 1 mill, but he's going to arbitration

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Either:

1. Mark Streit for David Tanabe straight up.


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2. Mike Ribeiro, Michael Ryder, Sheldon Souray, Season Tickets to the Capitals games to see Zednik play and a vintage Boom Boom Geoffrion jersey for David Tanabe and Patrice Bergeron.

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They save 1 million, but also fill up two other roster spots.
Big deal.

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Big deal.
Nice of you to finally realize

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I agree 100% - there always is talent found late in the draft. But of the 30 4th rounders the years that Hejduk and Daze were drafted a total of 4 guys each year had NHL careers of note, and only their career was better than Tanabe. That would mean (based on a really small sample size) that you've got about a 13% chance to get a NHL player, and a 3% chance to get a player better than Tanabe. Horcoff was one of 2 players in his draft year to have a NHL career.

I just find it funny that someone could say with a straight fact that a 4th round pick has more value than a 26 YO d-man that is a legit (if marginal) NHL player.
True, but if they don't become anything they don't cost you anything, unlike Tanabe. And keep in mind, I'm saying if a team has no need for Tanabe, they probably prefer taking the chance. It's like leaving a casino and realizing you have one more dollar chip in your pocket and you're too lazy to go back and cash it in, and the only things you can get for a dollar are a soda or a pull on a slot machine. If you don't feel like soda, wouldn't you rather put it in the slot machine than buy a soda? Odds are the pull will be less valuable than the soda, but it's still worth the risk since the soda's value to you is pretty much nothing.

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Replacing Thornton with Sturm, Stuart and Primeau gave the Bruins maybe an extra $1 million in cap space.

Chara makes over 7 times that much money.
No it didnt. That is simple math. You have to factor in that we filled three roster spots as well. It isnt as simple as adding up the contracts of the three guys we got and took away from the one guy that left and saying: Derrr 6.8m - 5.5m is only about a million saved. Peel back the onion a bit...jeez.

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True, but if they don't become anything they don't cost you anything, unlike Tanabe. And keep in mind, I'm saying if a team has no need for Tanabe, they probably prefer taking the chance. It's like leaving a casino and realizing you have one more dollar chip in your pocket and you're too lazy to go back and cash it in, and the only things you can get for a dollar are a soda or a pull on a slot machine. If you don't feel like soda, wouldn't you rather put it in the slot machine than buy a soda? Odds are the pull will be less valuable than the soda, but it's still worth the risk since the soda's value to you is pretty much nothing.
I understand your point. My analogy in return would be that if whoever was leaving the casino was REALLY thirsty (aka - needing a 5/6 d-man that can move the puck) they might cash in the chip and buy the soda. If they aren't thirsty, like you said they'll likely take their chance in hte slot machine.

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Big deal.
Of course, I would say not only it fills other roster spots, save money and

WE GOT RID OF MOC AND SULLY

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I understand your point. My analogy in return would be that if whoever was leaving the casino was REALLY thirsty (aka - needing a 5/6 d-man that can move the puck) they might cash in the chip and buy the soda. If they aren't thirsty, like you said they'll likely take their chance in hte slot machine.
Yep, agreed. A team could go either way. Tanabe certainly has some value to a team desperate for depth, but that doesn't mean teams will be lining up to get him, even if the price is late pick which is unlikely to return even as much as him.

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6th and Wade Belak for the princess.
Anyone who signs Antropov to a million dollars shouldn't talk!!!!

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Tell me again what was bad about the Thornton trade?

We got Sturm, Stuart and Primeau...and it gave us lots of cap space to sign Chara
Actually, I think YOU used the cap space to sign.... Savard.. since he is a C and you paid $5Mil for him ..

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Actually, I think YOU used the cap space to sign.... Savard.. since he is a C and you paid $5Mil for him ..

Savard is replacing Zhamnov

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No it didnt. That is simple math. You have to factor in that we filled three roster spots as well. It isnt as simple as adding up the contracts of the three guys we got and took away from the one guy that left and saying: Derrr 6.8m - 5.5m is only about a million saved. Peel back the onion a bit...jeez.
Okay so I get it. You traded the Hart Trophy winner so you could fill up an extra roster spot and have about an extra $2 million to toss into Chara's $7.5 million windfall.

My bad- you guys are right. It was a brilliant move.

Lots of teams would gladly trade the league MVP in order to fill an extra roster spot and save $2 million. What was I thinking?

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Okay so I get it. You traded the Hart Trophy winner so you could fill up an extra roster spot and have about an extra $2 million to toss into Chara's $7.5 million windfall.

My bad- you guys are right. It was a brilliant move.

Lots of teams would gladly trade the league MVP in order to fill an extra roster spot and save $2 million. What was I thinking?
For me, the best of this trade is not gaining cap space, but led to a new front office.
It'll be disastrous if MOC stays, good thing we got rid of him after one bad trade.

Same thing applies to the Mccabe + Bert for Linden trade. If a bad move like that gets Mad Mike outta Isles, I'm sure the Isles fans love it. Even if there're stuck with Linden for a while, without Mike they can have a line of Spezza - Jokinen - Heatley, with Chara in D and Luongo in goal.

Therefore as the Thornton trade got rid of MOC, and even fetched good return from Sturm and Stuart, I say Thornton's just a sacrifice for cleaning up the front office and probably Harry Sinden will be out soon.

BTW, I came to Toronto to study from Hong Kong 3 years ago, and my favourite sport soon changed from Soccer to Hockey. As a complete stranger to the sport 3 years ago, LEAFS FANS let me know that even those troublemaking english football (soccer) fans are actually very reasonable people.

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