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03-06-2013, 06:23 PM
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I agree. Some of the Flames fans just have Jeromes's value up in the clouds.

The Pens will never give up that much. 4 firsts for a declining old guy they could never sign due to the cap going down.


Cut your offer by 2/3's and maybe the Pens might listen, just maybe.
And Penguin fans have his value in the dirt.

You wont be getting Iginla for Kennedy and a conditional pick. Calgary isnt going to do what they can to move Iginla to Crosby's team, they will take the best offer and if there isnt one good enough they will keep him.

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03-06-2013, 06:26 PM
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And Penguin fans have his value in the dirt.

You wont be getting Iginla for Kennedy and a conditional pick. Calgary isnt going to do what they can to move Iginla to Crosby's team, they will take the best offer and if there isnt one good enough they will keep him.
Wrong ... most think a first and a D prospect will be a highly competitive price, but many, like myself aren't giddy about pulling the trigger. He is a 36-year old UFA that we don't trust will resign with the Pens if dealt. That is alot to give up for a rental.

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03-06-2013, 06:30 PM
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I agree. Some of the Flames fans just have Jeromes's value up in the clouds.

The Pens will never give up that much. 4 firsts for a declining old guy they could never sign due to the cap going down.


Cut your offer by 2/3's and maybe the Pens might listen, just maybe.
The thing is, that Iggy has been an annual part of HF boards this time of year for the better part of the last half decade. So five years ago when this yearly rite started they may have had expectations that are reasonable. But this is not five years ago. The expectations have remained the same, the reasonableness has dropped markedly.

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03-06-2013, 06:33 PM
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Wrong ... most think a first and a D prospect will be a highly competitive price, but many, like myself aren't giddy about pulling the trigger. He is a 36-year old UFA that we don't trust will resign with the Pens if dealt. That is alot to give up for a rental.
Iginla is 35. I don't know why you're so insistent on adding a year to his age.

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03-06-2013, 06:35 PM
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Penguins have been rumored many times recently that they will make a pitch for iginla to play with Crosby, it's not known if feaster will try to sign him or to put him on the market and try to rebuild. Penguins have also been in the market for another defenseman and third line player so what do you think of this trade and if its fair value...

To Pitt:
Iginla
Glencross
Babchuk

To Calgary:
Derrick pouliot
Tyler Kennedy
Dustin Jeffery
1st round pick

If you disagree, then counter offer for what you think is fair if something needs added, etc.
I posted this last night in another thread.

To Pitt: Jarome Iginla (RW), Mark Giordano (D) and Chris Butler (D)
To Cal: 2013 1st, Brandon Sutter (C) and Olli Maata (D)

Iginla would have to agree to sign a 2-year deal before the trigger could be pulled. This seems pretty realistic to me and addresses the areas of concern for both teams.

Pitt has 4 quality centers, but would like to improve their D, and getting Iginla makes a ridiculous amount of sense.

Calgary desperately needs a Center and some pieces around which to rebuild.

Might be some cap issues to navigate for the Pens, but if they manage that, unlike a lot of deals being thrown around I think it makes a lot of sense.

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03-06-2013, 06:39 PM
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Iginla is 35. I don't know why you're so insistent on adding a year to his age.
35 or 36, it doesn't change the fact he is a ufa that could easily bolt.

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03-06-2013, 06:42 PM
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I posted this last night in another thread.

To Pitt: Jarome Iginla (RW), Mark Giordano (D) and Chris Butler (D)
To Cal: 2013 1st, Brandon Sutter (C) and Olli Maata (D)

Iginla would have to agree to sign a 2-year deal before the trigger could be pulled. This seems pretty realistic to me and addresses the areas of concern for both teams.

Pitt has 4 quality centers, but would like to improve their D, and getting Iginla makes a ridiculous amount of sense.

Calgary desperately needs a Center and some pieces around which to rebuild.

Might be some cap issues to navigate for the Pens, but if they manage that, unlike a lot of deals being thrown around I think it makes a lot of sense.
God no!

Why are Calgary fans insistent on throwing more players that we DON'T need in a deal to try to pillage more out of Pittsburgh? Iggy is the LONE guy Pittsburgh should have interest in from Calgary unless Glencross becomes available. Giordano makes too much $$$ and Butler is terrible.

We DON'T have four quality centers. We have three. Pittsburgh is dead set on going with the three center model. I think the Jordan Staal deal should tell you that. The deal doesn't get done if Sutter wasn't apart of it. Butler doesn't improve our defense.

This makes absolutely no sense for Pittsburgh whatsoever.

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03-06-2013, 06:44 PM
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Iginla

Kennedy, Maatta, 1st.

Simple as that

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03-06-2013, 06:54 PM
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Iginla

Kennedy, Maatta, 1st.

Simple as that
I really don't think this is enough.

Maatta just isn't enticing enough as a prospect. Kennedy has no value to the Flames in this case as well.

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Iginla

Kennedy, Maatta, 1st.

Simple as that
Unless that first is conditional on his signing in Pittsburgh for another couple of years, I do not see Pittsburgh paying that for a rental of a few weeks. I know, you will just keep him then. Which would be more than fine with me.

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03-06-2013, 07:01 PM
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Flames fans have a lot of respect for Iginla.

He's exactly what the Penguins need.

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Iginla

Kennedy, Maatta, 1st.

Simple as that
Pitt's 1st is bound to be a glorified 2nd rounder.

You'd need better return than that for Iginla.

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Pitt's 1st is bound to be a glorified 2nd rounder.

You'd need better return than that for Iginla.
Yup. A glorified 2nd round pick and soon to be waiver fodder material in Kennedy.

Flames can easily do better at the deadline.

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03-06-2013, 08:05 PM
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Iginla

Kennedy, Maatta, 1st.

Simple as that
I agree with this, as the past few comments show, Pitts fans think it is a but much Flames fans don't think it is quiet enough so it is probably the right amount.

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03-06-2013, 08:06 PM
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35 or 36, it doesn't change the fact he is a ufa that could easily bolt.
Yup...that's how rentals and most trade deadline acquisitions work.

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03-06-2013, 08:07 PM
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Iginla

Kennedy, Maatta, 1st.

Simple as that
if it is a second to become a conditional 1st if he re-signs that is about the top dollar value I would pay for him.

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Lol. Pens fans are probably still trying to include Tangradi in the deal.

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if it is a second to become a conditional 1st if he re-signs that is about the top dollar value I would pay for him.
It won't be a conditional first it will be straight up first like all other star players have gotten, Forsberg,Pronger,Hossa,Kovy,Nash etc.

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03-06-2013, 08:16 PM
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Pitt's 1st is bound to be a glorified 2nd rounder.

You'd need better return than that for Iginla.
Keep him. I do not see how the Pens can fit him under a reduced cap.

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03-06-2013, 08:20 PM
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Jesusssss... I really love all these Flames fans coming into these types of proposals valuing Iggy as a 27 year old coming off a 100+ point season.

Listen I get it that he means the WORLD to your franchise and has been there for a really long time, and a lot of people would have to see him moved, BUT get your heads out of your ass people.

The dude is on the wrong side of 35 in the twilight of his career and numbers that have been declining for the past 4-5 years or so.

Get real people, actually don't its quite comical all these ridiculous posts.

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It won't be a conditional first it will be straight up first like all other star players have gotten, Forsberg,Pronger,Hossa,Kovy,Nash etc.
And all these star players were 35 almost 36 year old declining UFAs as well correct?

Don't even get me started on the Pronger (trades) and the Flopper trade...

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And all these star players were 35 almost 36 year old declining UFAs as well correct?

Don't even get me started on the Pronger (trades) and the Flopper trade...
Again every star player traded the return starts with a 1st regardless of age.

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03-06-2013, 08:39 PM
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Jesusssss... I really love all these Flames fans coming into these types of proposals valuing Iggy as a 27 year old coming off a 100+ point season.

Listen I get it that he means the WORLD to your franchise and has been there for a really long time, and a lot of people would have to see him moved, BUT get your heads out of your ass people.

The dude is on the wrong side of 35 in the twilight of his career and numbers that have been declining for the past 4-5 years or so.

Get real people, actually don't its quite comical all these ridiculous posts.
Do you actually believe a Iginla in his prime could be had for Kennedy, a late 1st and a prospect like Maatta? I realize a lot of Pen fans think other teams should just gift them their best wingers because Crosby deserves it or whatever, but come on. Have some idea at least of how trades work and what's appropriate value.

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03-06-2013, 08:40 PM
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Pitt's 1st is bound to be a glorified 2nd rounder.

You'd need better return than that for Iginla.
I don't get these kind of comments.

Does a potential suitor like say, Boston, have a more valuable first rounder? With Iggy they have a very good chance to go deep in the playoffs (even without him, actually).

What other teams are going to rent Iggy that will have high first round picks?

Not many bubble teams are going to essentially unload two first round picks for him.

Even in the rare instance that happens, will Iggy waive his NTC for a bubble team when he could go to a contender? I know Flames fans said he will waive no matter what, but I have my doubts.

The teams willing to pay the price for Iggy (and the ones he will want to go to) will be legit contenders, which makes most of the first round picks Feaster will be offered essentially all in the same ball park.

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Again every star player traded the return starts with a 1st regardless of age.
I don't agree with that at all.

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