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03-06-2013, 10:23 PM
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Booth is a similar player to Mason Raymond with four key differences:
-better balance
-worse hockey sense
-worse stickhandler
-won't shock you with the occasional upstairs roof shot

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03-06-2013, 10:24 PM
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I would like a Booth Schroeder Kassian line please, I also have a lot of time for how Booth plays the game.
Fail

The less time Schroeder is on the ice the greater the chance of the Canucks winning.
He's a poor man's Steve Kariya, a Josh Holden wannabe, a past his prime Dan Woodley.

Get over him already.

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03-06-2013, 10:29 PM
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Fail

The less time Schroeder is on the ice the greater the chance of the Canucks winning.
He's a poor man's Steve Kariya, a Josh Holden wannabe, a past his prime Dan Woodley.

Get over him already.
I read your post and would still like to see that line.

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I wish we had a few less Booth/Raymond/Schroeder types
(skate fast, head down, no creativity, little chance of scoring)

and a couple Mark Recchi/Peter Sykora that all they could do is light the lamp and nothing else.

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03-06-2013, 10:32 PM
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I wish we had a few less Booth/Raymond/Schroeder types
(skate fast, head down, no creativity, little chance of scoring)

and a couple Mark Recchi/Peter Sykora that all they could do is light the lamp and nothing else.

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03-06-2013, 10:35 PM
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A waste of cap space who will hopefully be dumped on someone shortly or bought out completely in the summer. Canucks could be in cap jail if not, especially after Gillis played poker with the Leafs on Luongo and lost.

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Booth needs to somehow find chemistry with a teammate. He plays a very similar game to Hansen, but has superior offensive skills. The only problem is he doesn't have a Higgins to gel with. IDK who can fill that role.
I would argue that Hansen is the more complete player. Hansen is probably one of the most underrated playmakers/passers on the team. He may not shoot well, but his passes are usually good, coupled with his tenacious forecheck and speed, and defensive awareness. Booth doesn't always compete in the defensive zone, and doesn't have the vision that Hansen does. The only way that they are similar in my opinion is their speed, that's about it.

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03-06-2013, 10:36 PM
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He might suffer from the "Rick Nash" syndrome. His play makes him look like he should produce 2x as much as he actually does. Oh well, great for advanced stats.
Lappy has been on for 7 in 22. Higgins 14 in 22. Hansen is 21 in 21! Even the much maligned MayRay has been on for 19 gf in 22 games.

Small sample sizes and all, but I don't know if he's contributing that much on the ice this year either. Team has scored 1 goal with him on the ice in 7 games. But like I said he's looked like a reasonable player the last 2 games and if he keeps it up (some nice neutral zone passes, good speed and drive) the team should start scoring with him out there.

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Yeah real creative head down and wrister in to the crest.

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I would argue that Hansen is the more complete player. Hansen is probably one of the most underrated playmakers/passers on the team. He may not shoot well, but his passes are usually good, coupled with his tenacious forecheck and speed, and defensive awareness. Booth doesn't always compete in the defensive zone, and doesn't have the vision that Hansen does. The only way that they are similar in my opinion is their speed, that's about it.
Hansen is a BOSS. take him over Higgens/Kassian/Shroeder/Raymond any day.

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03-06-2013, 10:39 PM
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Yeah real creative head down and wrister in to the crest.
Schroeder is arguably that 3rd most creative player on our team, behind the Sedins. I would say he's more creative than Hodgson (since everyone's in love with him); his creativeness is what got him drafted in the first round in the first place...

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03-06-2013, 10:41 PM
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Booth is what he is: an overrated player who can skate fast and drive the net but is a black hole offensively. Plays go to die when they land within his vicinity.

I watched his first thirty games as a Canuck and just had this feeling that there was no breaking in period with this guy, despite how many believed otherwise. What we saw was what we got and so far, he hasn't proven me wrong there.
His first 30 games as a Canuck:

30 GP, 10 G, 10 A, 20 PTS

Not sure about you, but for what David Booth is as a player I'd be more than happy to see him put up 27 goals and 27 assists in 82 games. In fact his first 30 games have probably been his most memorable as a Canuck.

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His first 30 games as a Canuck:

30 GP, 10 G, 10 A, 20 PTS

Not sure about you, but for what David Booth is as a player I'd be more than happy to see him put up 27 goals and 27 assists in 82 games. In fact his first 30 games have probably been his most memorable as a Canuck.
How about his last 23 games?

23 GP, 1 G, 2 A, 3 PTS

Add in terrible defence, no playmaking, his injury risk, no chemistry with anybody, other than occasional heads down rushes and some hitting he brings nothing valuable to the hockey team at a 4.2 million dollar price. We could pick up two guys that can grind just as well for that price.

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Top 6 players shouldnt be missing tap ins

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03-06-2013, 10:56 PM
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Lappy has been on for 7 in 22. Higgins 14 in 22. Hansen is 21 in 21! Even the much maligned MayRay has been on for 19 gf in 22 games.

Small sample sizes and all, but I don't know if he's contributing that much on the ice this year either. Team has scored 1 goal with him on the ice in 7 games. But like I said he's looked like a reasonable player the last 2 games and if he keeps it up (some nice neutral zone passes, good speed and drive) the team should start scoring with him out there.

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The team shoots a putrid 2.3% when Booth is on the ice, it will at least double that. Booth will eventually get his goals.

In the meantime Booth draws a lot more penalties then he takes which doesn't show up in personal stats but when our PP clicks it will definitely help out.

I'm not too worried about Booth he's been playing some good hockey for 10 months off and he isn't even being sheltered. The biggest surprise thus far (advanced stats wise) is the play of Jordan Schroeder, disappointing to say the least.

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The team shoots a putrid 2.3% when Booth is on the ice, it will at least double that. Booth will eventually get his goals.

In the meantime Booth draws a lot more penalties then he takes which doesn't show up in personal stats but when our PP clicks it will definitely help out.

I'm not too worried about Booth he's been playing some good hockey for 10 months off and he isn't even being sheltered. The biggest surprise thus far (advanced stats wise) is the play of Jordan Schroeder, disappointing to say the least.
It is? He's doing about average in possession stats (and was doing better until he got moved to the 4th line) and has had crap luck with his PDO, so just like Booth he should break out of his slump soon enough.

The biggest problem for him has been that he hasn't found chemistry with anyone other than Raymond. Possession wise they've both been worse apart than together.


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How about his last 23 games?

23 GP, 1 G, 2 A, 3 PTS

Add in terrible defence, no playmaking, his injury risk, no chemistry with anybody, other than occasional heads down rushes and some hitting he brings nothing valuable to the hockey team at a 4.2 million dollar price. We could pick up two guys that can grind just as well for that price.
I wasn't trying to attack all arguments, just one.

But Booth is coming off injury and needs to be treated with patience. When he's on he's a very useful player for us. One that drives the net with confidence and throws his body out there. When he's not, well I think you know.

But let me ask you, when the Sedins aren't scoring what exactly is it that they bring to the table? It's the same argument you present, with the same answer. Of course they score more often, but besides some playoff series it's been the same story.

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03-06-2013, 11:06 PM
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Schroeder is arguably that 3rd most creative player on our team, behind the Sedins. I would say he's more creative than Hodgson (since everyone's in love with him); his creativeness is what got him drafted in the first round in the first place...
Arguably is correct.

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It is? He's doing about average in possession stats (and was doing better until he got moved to the 4th line) and has had crap luck with his PDO, so just like Booth he should break out of his slump soon enough.

The biggest problem for him has been that he hasn't found chemistry with anyone other than Raymond. Possession wise they've both been worse apart than together.
Schroeder's biggest problem is that he only generates 1 shot per game. He won't stay in the NHL unless he can double that number, at least. Schroeder isn't driving the net with the puck enough and this will have to change if he wants to stick around.

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Fail

The less time Schroeder is on the ice the greater the chance of the Canucks winning.
He's a poor man's Steve Kariya, a Josh Holden wannabe, a past his prime Dan Woodley.

Get over him already.
Wow have you seen lapierre play lately? Schroeders playing with grinders and is vastly miscast, someone who can distribute the puck like schroeder would be a much better option. I am not saying schroeder is the answer as 3c long term, but he is a better option then lapierre right now who has been a black hole.

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Schroeder's biggest problem is that he only generates 1 shot per game. He won't stay in the NHL unless he can double that number, at least. Schroeder isn't driving the net with the puck enough and this will have to change if he wants to stick around.
If this were his 2nd season, I would agree. In his first year though? He has time. Not the first guy to put low shot totals in his first season.

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last game he looked very good ... very impressive for a guy just off the IR... and getting up to speed

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Schroeder's biggest problem is that he only generates 1 shot per game. He won't stay in the NHL unless he can double that number, at least. Schroeder isn't driving the net with the puck enough and this will have to change if he wants to stick around.
some people on here think hes 'the most creative player outside of Sedins' . 1 shot per game........not exactly offense generator.

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Schroeder's biggest problem is that he only generates 1 shot per game. He won't stay in the NHL unless he can double that number, at least. Schroeder isn't driving the net with the puck enough and this will have to change if he wants to stick around.
I can't see him doing any better with the cards he is dealt at the moment, If he's given a better role, say in Lappys place, he will do better.

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