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03-07-2013, 01:20 AM
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No other major team sport allows fighting. You know this.

Does NHL hockey allow fighting because it isn't confident that it will be sufficiently popular without it?

I watched a fight in the Ottawa-Toronto match just barely into the game. The fight had nothing to do with the game. It was just a show.

The player knocked out probably excited some viewers, but a very few were turned off. And that includes me. When I watch an NHL fight, if the fighters just do their thing without any significant damage, I can handle it. But what I saw in that game made me turn the channel.

Yes, I know you want me to find another sport such as curling.

But I've been watching hockey since the days of Henri Richard, and I don't want to watch anymore.

But I know I am a tiny minority, so please ignore my post.
Richard retired in 71 so you have been watching ever since then -or before- and NOW you dont want the fighting? There have been dozens if not hundreds of fights far worse than that in the last 42 years.

I would bet over 100-1 that you are not telling the truth.

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I love hockey and everything about the game of hockey which includes fighting. I really believe fighting keeps people in check and without fighting I would not be suprised to see many many injuries in hockey due to stick infractions and general dirty hockey without the consequence of a fight....

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I guess they should allow head shots again then seeing how fighting is pretty much head shots.

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03-07-2013, 01:22 AM
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Richard retired in 71 so you have been watching ever since then -or before- and NOW you dont want the fighting? There have been dozens if not hundreds of fights far worse than that in the last 42 years.

I would bet over 100-1 that you are not telling the truth.
Richard retired in 1975.

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I love hockey and everything about the game of hockey which includes fighting. I really believe fighting keeps people in check and without fighting I would not be suprised to see many many injuries in hockey due to stick infractions and general dirty hockey without the consquence of a fight....
Agreed.

I feel if fights were discontinued, players would be making dirtier hits and such to get payback; this resulting in twice the injuries caused by fighting.

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03-07-2013, 01:23 AM
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So hockey without fighting would suck.

That translates to hockey sucks. Wrong! Hockey doesn't suck without fighting.

I get that agression junkies don't agree
Hockey would still be amazing without fighting. But it's ridiculous to ban it just bc a little violence upsets some people. A good fight can have a huge effect on the momentum of a game

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03-07-2013, 01:23 AM
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I guess they should allow head shots again then seeing how fighting is pretty much head shots.
What do you think would happen if there was no fighting? What do you think would happen to Emelin if Chara wasn't allowed to pummel him. The Bruins would just keep taking runs at him and would be much more dangerous than settling it with a fight.

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I'm indifferent towards fighting and don't really care if it is abolished or not but I've always found it funny that some people defend it so adamantly, almost as if they enjoy it more than the actual game. It's not a necessary part of hockey and change doesn't always have to be a bad thing. Player safety is important. Let's not forget that because we are too caught up in protecting the "toughness" of hockey.

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NLL has fighting

I think fighting DOES and always WILL have a place in the game.

However, I think within the next 5 years we could very easily see the Colton Orrs, John Scotts, and Ben Eagers of the world gone.


There is nothing wrong with Kevin Bieksa, Wayne Simmonds, Milan Lucic, or Paul Gaustad sticking up for their teammates and playing a physical game.

Its when Jody Shelley fights Brian Macgrattan that nothing is accomplished.
And when Tom Sestitio fights Brian McGrattan.

But only when they fight Brian McGrattan

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I guess they should allow head shots again then seeing how fighting is pretty much head shots.
That's completely irrelevant, considering in a fight you are expecting to be hit in the head. During play, you are not. Stupid comment.

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03-07-2013, 01:24 AM
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really megan, you are shocked? After all these years of being allowed it still baffles you?
Fighting is not allowed. It's a penalty. Penalty=action not allowed.

I'm seriously amused at the "should we stop allowing fighting" type stuff" when fighting is a PENALTY. A behavior that is NOT ALLOWED. The only reason the "should we ban fighting?" discussions exist is because fighting doesn't have a match penalty associated with it in the NHL like in the other major sports. If you put that in, it makes no difference in the quality of the hockey being played. Unless you lose a star player, of course. But star players have been less and less willing to fight (see recent comparisons made between Getzlaf and Lindros, and how Getzlaf "could be" today's Lindros if he played a full-bore, physical game. But skill players don't do that anymore. How many high-skill players are also physical players? The number is decreasing yearly.

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Hockey without fighting would be alright, but I've got an even better idea of something way better. Hockey with fighting.
So you want to do away with the five-minute major penalty for fighting?

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I guess no one here watches Olympic hockey nor NHL playoff games.

Shame it's pretty damn entertaining.

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And when Tom Sestitio fights Brian McGrattan.

But only when they fight Brian McGrattan
Tom Sestito needs to GTFO my favorite team

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Hockey's a tough game, and sometimes I think the fighting can really cut down on a lot of the cheapshots and dirty play you see. One thing I love about fighting in hockey is that it makes for one of the few sports where the players can police themselves. You see a guy who embellishes or dives? Give him a reason to stay on the ice next time with a good, clean hit. You go outside of these boundaries and you'd better expect to back yourself up.

Tempers will boil in such a fast paced, high contact game and without fighting to curb the rage of certain players the game would be much more dangerous.

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Personally, if more fighting happened there may be less hits from behind, elbows to the head, late hits, goalies getting run and injured. Police the ice. More fights.

Pay for the consequences of being an idiot. No more staged fights. That crap sucks.

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the typical pre-season game has lots of fights.

the typical regular season game has the occasional fight.

the typical playoff game has very, very little fighting.

Come to your own conclusions about what that means.

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03-07-2013, 01:27 AM
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I'm 63 and a half years old. I have watched Henri Richard on a grainy tv. And Dave Keon. And Johnnie Bower, etc.

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the typical pre-season game has lots of fights.

the typical regular season game has the occasional fight.

the typical playoff game has very, very little fighting.

Come to your own conclusions about what that means.
You fight in a playoff game it's an automatic game misconduct.

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It's become more of a point of contention now that we know much more about concussions and their long-term effects.

I've been watching hockey since the early 80s (as a die-hard fan of the sport), and fighting had a role back then, and you had players who could scrap. Probert, Twist, Semenko, even Odjick.

Now, you have a couple of 4th line bubble goons who just need jobs, that beat each other up just off a draw.

Or fighting after a legitimate check. I hate those.

If they banned fighting now, I don't think I'd honestly care.

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No other major team sport allows fighting. You know this.

Does NHL hockey allow fighting because it isn't confident that it will be sufficiently popular without it?

I watched a fight in the Ottawa-Toronto match just barely into the game. The fight had nothing to do with the game. It was just a show.

The player knocked out probably excited some viewers, but a very few were turned off. And that includes me. When I watch an NHL fight, if the fighters just do their thing without any significant damage, I can handle it. But what I saw in that game made me turn the channel.

Yes, I know you want me to find another sport such as curling.

But I've been watching hockey since the days of Henri Richard, and I don't want to watch anymore.

But I know I am a tiny minority, so please ignore my post.
The fight had to do with a guy trying to build a rep so no one messes with players on his team when he is in the line-up. It's about making your bones in this league and the kid paid for it by not understanding a good match-up. I can't feel all that bad though, I think he's the same guy that nailed Alex Grant about 2-3yrs ago, from behind and almost ended his career before it began. In any case, so the haters stay off...hope he's ok and all of that. Seriously do hope he is ok.

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I guess no one here watches Olympic hockey nor NHL playoff games.

Shame it's pretty damn entertaining.
For the most part Olympic hockey blows and there is still fighting in the playoffs.

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It's become more of a point of contention now that we know much more about concussions and their long-term effects.

I've been watching hockey since the early 80s (as a die-hard fan of the sport), and fighting had a role back then, and you had players who could scrap. Probert, Twist, Semenko, even Odjick.

Now, you have a couple of 4th line bubble goons who just need jobs, that beat each other up just off a draw.

Or fighting after a legitimate check. I hate those.

If they banned fighting now, I don't think I'd honestly care.
I understand you might be romanticizing the old days a little but Twist was not a good player and there were lots of "goons" back then. You could argue even more than now.

There are still scores of talented players who can/will fight in this league these days.

I think the 6'5" 230 lbs tough guy will go the way of the dodo but teams and players will adapt. All it takes is a Milan Lucic to spark an arms race.

It's unfortunate this happens every time there is a bad KO but if you don't like it, change the channel for 30 secs or a minute and save yourself.

Also kudos to Maplehawk for his post, agree 100%.

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It's become more of a point of contention now that we know much more about concussions and their long-term effects.

I've been watching hockey since the early 80s (as a die-hard fan of the sport), and fighting had a role back then, and you had players who could scrap. Probert, Twist, Semenko, even Odjick.

Now, you have a couple of 4th line bubble goons who just need jobs, that beat each other up just off a draw.

Or fighting after a legitimate check. I hate those.

If they banned fighting now, I don't think I'd honestly care.
Gino wasn't in the NHL in the 80's, but I think fighting has a place in the game. Instead of people having line brawls and what not, usually each team's toughest guy will fight and usually end it there before it escalates into something bigger and dumber.

The role of the goon is changing, these guys can't be on the team and just be there to fight, it's why a guy like Steve MacIntyre is likely never getting an NHL job again and will be in the AHL the rest of his career, it's why someone like McGratton is probably trending there as well.

Guys like Prust, Engelland and that sort are the new wave of "goons" in the NHL. Guys that can take a regular shift, fight, and still be productive. Not much different than some of the goons back in the 80's, you had a lot of the goons that could play as well but back then, more often than not, the goon was barely an NHL regular and was only there because he could throw down and answer the bell against the other team's top goon.

The guys are there to keep the other team honest, if you don't have a guy that can fight, on your team and he throws a dirty hit your team's way, no one is going to stand up and if they do, they could get a serious beat down unless you have someone that can answer that bell on behalf of your team. I think the problem most people have is with staged fights, fights where it's late and it's pointless.

To start the game, I can understand, you want to set the tone early to tell the team, listen, we're here to punish you in every facet of the game, bring it. But guys need to understand match-ups and I think fighters have been getting their code back. Frazier probably shouldn't have let him drop but yeah, it is what it is.

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For the most part Olympic hockey blows and there is still fighting in the playoffs.



I understand you might be romanticizing the old days a little but Twist was not a good player and there were lots of "goons" back then. You could argue even more than now.

There are still scores of talented players who can/will fight in this league these days.

I think the 6'5" 230 lbs tough guy will go the way of the dodo but teams and players will adapt. All it takes is a Milan Lucic to spark an arms race.

It's unfortunate this happens every time there is a bad KO but if you don't like it, change the channel for 30 secs or a minute and save yourself.

Also kudos to Maplehawk for his post, agree 100%.
It comes and goes, it's a trend.

Early 90's, it was about size, later it was about speed, then it was a combination of size + speed, now it's..."You need to skate, be able to take a regular shift, and contribute in some way besides just pummeling a player or otherwise."

A 6'5" 230lbs that can be a pk specialist, is an above average skater, chip in every now and then offensively (maybe a 20pt guy) and beat the snot out of someone, is still very valuable to any team.

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For the most part Olympic hockey blows and there is still fighting in the playoffs.



I understand you might be romanticizing the old days a little but Twist was not a good player and there were lots of "goons" back then. You could argue even more than now.

There are still scores of talented players who can/will fight in this league these days.

I think the 6'5" 230 lbs tough guy will go the way of the dodo but teams and players will adapt. All it takes is a Milan Lucic to spark an arms race.

It's unfortunate this happens every time there is a bad KO but if you don't like it, change the channel for 30 secs or a minute and save yourself.

Also kudos to Maplehawk for his post, agree 100%.
I don't recall a fight happening in the playoffs in a very long time. Refresh my memory please, also it's an automatic game misconduct, which means the NHL doesn't want fighting in the post season.

Olympic hockey only sucks when your team doesn't win anything. How you can say an event that has the best players in the world playing in it sucks is beyond me.

That is the dumbest thing I have ever read on here.

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I've been following hockey for 5 years and I'm going to tell you whats been wrong with it for the past 100.

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