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03-06-2013, 10:33 AM
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I honestly feel that you've put the wrong names with your analysis. Etem is still flailing around out there. In 3 fewer games Maroon has twice as many hits, twice the takeaways with zero giveaways, and only 1 fewer shots. The only different thing Etem has brought at this point is enough speed to play on the PK.
Exactly. I felt like Maroon did almost everything better and more efficient then Etem did. Etem isn't ready for this league quite yet IMO.

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I may be in the minority but I'm hoping the Ryan at centre experiment ends for good. He may have flashes where he looks good there but I think he's far more effective on the wing - he's also less of a liability when he decides to float around for nights on end if he's on the wing. Not to mention he's terrible in the faceoff circle.
No, you're not in the minority at all. As great as our depth finally is, we can't find linemates for Selanne... go figure.

The other thing I want to end is Ryan and Selanne being on the same line. People have waged that it would work for years, but it just doesn't. Again, I know it's not popular opinion, but Ryan looks like he's on another level to me when he's on the first line. Palmieri is finally coming into his own as an NHL player and personally I think his speed and forechecking ability can really benefit Teemu on that second line (as opposed to Ryan whose looking to cycle and roam around the zone).

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I'd argue that Blake/Koivu/Selanne wasn't very effective. I think the whole Finnish connection was too forced. Now look at Koivu. He's money on the third line. Teemu needs a better center not named Holland or Bonino, or Bobby. Too bad Weise is done for the year. He would have been a good center for Teemu
That line was incredibly effective for Teemu, he scored 80 points in 73 games two seasons ago with that unit intact. And Im really, really hoping you forgot the for Dale Wiese.

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I honestly feel that you've put the wrong names with your analysis. Etem is still flailing around out there. In 3 fewer games Maroon has twice as many hits, twice the takeaways with zero giveaways, and only 1 fewer shots. The only different thing Etem has brought at this point is enough speed to play on the PK.
Etem made quite a bit happen on the forecheck, from what I recall,, I remember a bunch of plays where he used his speed to create havoc on the defense. I think Maroon was the more NHL ready of the two for sure, but I would say flailing around is the best term.

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03-06-2013, 06:13 PM
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You can have expectations on a prospect. He's starting to have a decent sample size of games here and he hasn't made a strong argument that he deserves to stick around. He needs a breakthrough so he gets hopped on the depth chart.
And those expectations need to be realistic. Yours were not.


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03-06-2013, 06:16 PM
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Etem made quite a bit happen on the forecheck, from what I recall,, I remember a bunch of plays where he used his speed to create havoc on the defense. I think Maroon was the more NHL ready of the two for sure, but I would say flailing around is the best term.
I agree with everything but your take on Maroon. I think people are looking for what Etem is doing on the stat sheet, or perhaps just remembering what went wrong and forgetting those little things he is doing right.

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I agree with everything but your take on Maroon. I think people are looking for what Etem is doing on the stat sheet, or perhaps just remembering what went wrong and forgetting those little things he is doing right.
I'm happy when Maroon forechecks and hits and plays well down low. I expect a hell of a lot more from Etem, and he's not outplaying Maroon in my opinion. He's getting easy 4th line/3rd D pairing matchups he should be able to exploit with his skill (but isn't), he falls down more than he should, and I'd prefer he was back in the AHL learning to score goals and (more importantly) use the other players on the ice a little better. He hasn't been horrible, but he hasn't been good either IMO. No reason to keep him here for mediocre.

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I'm happy when Maroon forechecks and hits and plays well down low. I expect a hell of a lot more from Etem, and he's not outplaying Maroon in my opinion. He's getting easy 4th line/3rd D pairing matchups he should be able to exploit with his skill (but isn't), he falls down more than he should, and I'd prefer he was back in the AHL learning to score goals and (more importantly) use the other players on the ice a little better. He hasn't been horrible, but he hasn't been good either IMO. No reason to keep him here for mediocre.
Maroon struggles to find the puck carrier. That's why he's had to survive along the boards. Etem gets his stick into traffic and can actually pressure a puck carrier.

Don't get me wrong, I wanted Maroon to stay.

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I'm happy when Maroon forechecks and hits and plays well down low. I expect a hell of a lot more from Etem, and he's not outplaying Maroon in my opinion. He's getting easy 4th line/3rd D pairing matchups he should be able to exploit with his skill (but isn't), he falls down more than he should, and I'd prefer he was back in the AHL learning to score goals and (more importantly) use the other players on the ice a little better. He hasn't been horrible, but he hasn't been good either IMO. No reason to keep him here for mediocre.
I agree 100%. Etem is better off playing 18 minutes a night in all situations in the AHL than playing 5-7 minutes of mediocre hockey in the NHL. A guy like Maroon is virtually fully developed - it doesn't hurt if he's only playing 5 minutes a night in the NHL where as Etem still has a long ways to go in his development if he's to reach his potential.

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I'm happy when Maroon forechecks and hits and plays well down low. I expect a hell of a lot more from Etem, and he's not outplaying Maroon in my opinion. He's getting easy 4th line/3rd D pairing matchups he should be able to exploit with his skill (but isn't), he falls down more than he should, and I'd prefer he was back in the AHL learning to score goals and (more importantly) use the other players on the ice a little better. He hasn't been horrible, but he hasn't been good either IMO. No reason to keep him here for mediocre.
Definitely couldn't have said it better myself

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That line was incredibly effective for Teemu, he scored 80 points in 73 games two seasons ago with that unit intact. And Im really, really hoping you forgot the for Dale Wiese.
Gonna take a wild guess that he means Stephen Weiss as a deadline acquisition, who's out for the year, not Dale Wiese.

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03-07-2013, 12:40 AM
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I really think we need to add a faceoff specialist at the deadline. Of all our regulars Teemu leads the team at 50.7% and out of our regular centres Koivu and Getzlaf are the best at 49.7% and 49.6% respectively.

Hopefully we can kill two birds with one stone and find a legitimate 2C who can win faceoffs but that will likely be a pricey acquisition.

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03-07-2013, 12:47 AM
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Stastny would be a nice option if the Avs hold some of his salary. I think he's a great playmaker and would fit REALLY well with Ryan and maybe even Selanne. He needs a new home.

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Stastny would be a nice option if the Avs hold some of his salary. I think he's a great playmaker and would fit REALLY well with Ryan and maybe even Selanne. He needs a new home.
hes an interesting option especially if perry goes at the deadline

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Stastny would be a nice option if the Avs hold some of his salary. I think he's a great playmaker and would fit REALLY well with Ryan and maybe even Selanne. He needs a new home.
Can't see them doing it, if he goes it's because of salary reasons. Maybe if we ponied up Sbisa, but even then they'd probably only eat $1.6 million tops. But, I'd be all for that.

If we could make that swap, and then go out and replace Sbisa with another acquisition, IMO we'd be set. Maybe the Isles' second for Robyn Regehr or something like that.

Palmieri-Getzlaf-Perry
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Regehr-Fowler
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Yeah, that team would look pretty decent IMO.

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Can the Avs afford to give him up? This seems like a trade that they'd make next year. I don't think they have another center that's ready to take over.

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Can the Avs afford to give him up? This seems like a trade that they'd make next year. I don't think they have another center that's ready to take over.
They have ROR and Duchene for their top 6. Do they really need Stastny to play on the 3rd line? I think they're going to move him soon. I hope Murray at least answers phone calls about him

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They have ROR and Duchene for their top 6. Do they really need Stastny to play on the 3rd line? I think they're going to move him soon. I hope Murray at least answers phone calls about him
I don't believe that ROR has pushed anyone out of their top six. I'd wait for that to happen before expecting some movement.

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I heard Streit of the NYI might be moved at the TDL. Would we have any interest and if so, what would it take?

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I heard Streit of the NYI might be moved at the TDL. Would we have any interest and if so, what would it take?
Doubt it baring injury.

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Exactly. I felt like Maroon did almost everything better and more efficient then Etem did. Etem isn't ready for this league quite yet IMO.
before last nights game they were virtually identical.

both had the same amount of ice time (+ / -) 1 minute.

etem has 2 more points = helping with two more goals
has a better + / -
less penalty minutes

in exchange for more hits you'd rather have maroon?

wanting him down for development reasons is one thing, but he is a better choice when it comes to helping the team right now. with palms out and dsp doing whatever dsp is doing, the team went for better defensive play and scoring over hits.

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Should we have some interest towards Briere? If Philly is out of the playoff picture, he could probably be had and has a rather good salary coming into the next two seasons.

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It will all depend on how we handle Getz/Perry situation.

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Should we have some interest towards Briere? If Philly is out of the playoff picture, he could probably be had and has a rather good salary coming into the next two seasons.
He's a beast in playoffs. And isn't he quite versatile as well? Could play both on the wing and as our 2nd line center.

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before last nights game they were virtually identical.

both had the same amount of ice time (+ / -) 1 minute.

etem has 2 more points = helping with two more goals
has a better + / -
less penalty minutes

in exchange for more hits you'd rather have maroon?

wanting him down for development reasons is one thing, but he is a better choice when it comes to helping the team right now. with palms out and dsp doing whatever dsp is doing, the team went for better defensive play and scoring over hits.
This is one of those instances where throwing out stats doesn't nearly explain the play on the ice.

Yes Etem has more assists. He also has more games played, more minutes played, more time on ice with the top two lines. The only goal where Etem did anything significant to was when he stole the puck from a goalie and got it to Bonino for an empty net.

Etem is +1, Maroon is -1 . A completely insignificant stat at this point.

Maroon has 5 PIMs because of one fight. Etem has one minor. This is a silly stat for you to even bring up in favor of Etem, but one could argue that this is a stat in favor of Maroon as he hasn't put his team short handed to date.

My point is certain stats can tell a story while others don't indicate anything. If you watch the games you can clearly see that Maroon contributes much more in offensive zone abilities and toughness than Etem does. The 4th line constantly cycled the puck and created a few chances with Maroon in the lineup. With Etem on the 4th line they become more of a rushing line. Now I won't argue with your assessment of Maroons defensive play. It certainly leaves something to be desired. But to say Etem is a better option on the 4th line seems silly.

Etem should be in the AHL learning how to use his teammates and create scoring chances. Something he has failed to do at the AHL level and NHL level.

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