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03-07-2013, 12:57 PM
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No GDT against LA is complete without some Brown dive videos.
Is there a difference between diving and embellishing? If so, then Brown isn't a diver.

For example, a stick gets up near Ribeiro's face, and he flings his head back, throws his gloves in the air and flies ten feet... that's a dive.

If a player puts his stick between Brown's skates, and Brown goes down easily to draw the call... that's embellishment. And I believe it's a valuable skill in today's game.

On one play you have a guy (Ribs) making up a penalty that was never there to begin with. On the other play, the player (Brown) is making the penalty obvious for the ref to see and call.

So in that sense, Brown doesn't dive. If players stopped taking liberties with him, he wouldn't have anything to embellish.


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03-07-2013, 01:31 PM
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Is there a difference between diving and embellishing? If so, then Brown isn't a diver.

For example, a stick gets up near Ribeiro's face, and he flings his head back, throws his gloves in the air and flies ten feet... that's a dive.

If a player puts his stick between Brown's skates, and Brown goes down easily to draw the call... that's embellishment. And I believe it's a valuable skill in today's game.

On one play you have a guy (Ribs) making up a penalty that was never there to begin with. On the other play, the player (Brown) is making the penalty obvious for the ref to see and call.

So in that sense, Brown doesn't dive. If players stopped taking liberties with him, he wouldn't have anything to embellish.
Whatever you have to tell yourself.

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03-07-2013, 01:35 PM
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If a player puts his stick between Brown's skates, and Brown goes down easily to draw the call... that's embellishment. And I believe it's a valuable skill in today's game.

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Is there a difference between diving and embellishing? If so, then Brown isn't a diver.

For example, a stick gets up near Ribeiro's face, and he flings his head back, throws his gloves in the air and flies ten feet... that's a dive.

If a player puts his stick between Brown's skates, and Brown goes down easily to draw the call... that's embellishment. And I believe it's a valuable skill in today's game.

On one play you have a guy (Ribs) making up a penalty that was never there to begin with. On the other play, the player (Brown) is making the penalty obvious for the ref to see and call.

So in that sense, Brown doesn't dive. If players stopped taking liberties with him, he wouldn't have anything to embellish.
This response is outdated. Ribiero doesn't play on the Stars. But sure... Brown is NOT a diver. Everyone knows that.

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03-07-2013, 01:57 PM
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This response is outdated. Ribiero doesn't play on the Stars. But sure... Brown is NOT a diver. Everyone knows that.
I didn't say he was still on the Stars. Just using it as a well known example of a dive.

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Whatever you have to tell yourself.
That also applies to opposing fans who call him a diver.

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Is there a difference between diving and embellishing? If so, then Brown isn't a diver.

For example, a stick gets up near Ribeiro's face, and he flings his head back, throws his gloves in the air and flies ten feet... that's a dive.

If a player puts his stick between Brown's skates, and Brown goes down easily to draw the call... that's embellishment. And I believe it's a valuable skill in today's game.

On one play you have a guy (Ribs) making up a penalty that was never there to begin with. On the other play, the player (Brown) is making the penalty obvious for the ref to see and call.

So in that sense, Brown doesn't dive. If players stopped taking liberties with him, he wouldn't have anything to embellish.
This is absolutely ridiculous. If Brown goes down easily to draw a call he is diving. BROWN IS A DIVER. He is one of the biggest divers in the game if not the absolute biggest.

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03-07-2013, 02:07 PM
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Is there a difference between diving and embellishing? If so, then Brown isn't a diver.

For example, a stick gets up near Ribeiro's face, and he flings his head back, throws his gloves in the air and flies ten feet... that's a dive.

If a player puts his stick between Brown's skates, and Brown goes down easily to draw the call... that's embellishment. And I believe it's a valuable skill in today's game.

On one play you have a guy (Ribs) making up a penalty that was never there to begin with. On the other play, the player (Brown) is making the penalty obvious for the ref to see and call.

So in that sense, Brown doesn't dive. If players stopped taking liberties with him, he wouldn't have anything to embellish.
Why bring this here?

If you want to troll us, it should be punchier, and if you think you are going to change anyone's mind in a Stars GDT after we have all seen Brown dive again and again, you are nuts.

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If that post was from a fan of an unrelated team I may have kept reading it. The first line was enough to end it for me though.

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Well hello there gameday! It's been a long time.. Hopefully the ref aren't Turkish..

Hopefully the Stars' feed doesn't show the bellend Brown lifting the cup.. I actually haven't seen it yet and hoping that will never change..

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Well hello there gameday! It's been a long time.. Hopefully the ref aren't Turkish..

Hopefully the Stars' feed doesn't show the bellend Brown lifting the cup.. I actually haven't seen it yet and hoping that will never change..
Me either. I won't watch pregame in hopes of avoiding it.

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03-07-2013, 02:30 PM
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Why bring this here?

If you want to troll us, it should be punchier, and if you think you are going to change anyone's mind in a Stars GDT after we have all seen Brown dive again and again, you are nuts.
Why do you assume I'm trolling you?

I'm just stating my opinion, that I think diving and embellishment are separate. One I have no respect for, while the other one I see as having value in getting refs to make the correct calls.

You are welcome you disagree.

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03-07-2013, 02:32 PM
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This is absolutely ridiculous. If Brown goes down easily to draw a call he is diving. BROWN IS A DIVER. He is one of the biggest divers in the game if not the absolute biggest.
If you are legitimately getting hooked by an opponent, are you saying it's preferable to stay on your feet and not draw the penalty? Serious question.

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If it's that obvious of a hook, you wouldn't have to "embellish".

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Whether it's diving, or embellishing, Brown is doing it a lot less.

He started backing off on it substantially towards the end of the playoff run.

I know they keep stats on drawn penalties somewhere, I bet Brown is drawing at a much lower pace than he had been in recent years.

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03-07-2013, 02:55 PM
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Why do you assume I'm trolling you?

I'm just stating my opinion, that I think diving and embellishment are separate. One I have no respect for, while the other one I see as having value in getting refs to make the correct calls.

You are welcome you disagree.
I am not assuming anything, read my post carefully. I am questioning what you hope to accomplish here, in a Stars GDT. If you want to convince us that Brown is not a diver, you will have better luck getting chickens to love KFC (or convincing us that Taco Cabana commercials are actually great).

If you think there is some difference between diving and embellishment, that is fine and feel free to go to a thread where that is the subject.

Brown is a player who does all kinds of tough guy stuff, like racking up tons of hits and killing penalties, and is also the captain of his team. Yet he also constantly tries to deceive the referee and get an advantage for his team that doesn't come from just playing honest hockey. Most players pick one side of the skill/tough guy dichotomy and stick to it; Brown hits but doesn't fight and dives all over the place.

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If it's that obvious of a hook, you wouldn't have to "embellish".
Penalties should be given based on the act as it happens, not the result. But we both know refs miss calls. Clearly in this scenario it's not "that obvious" a hook. Or else it wouldn't be embellished.

Yes, Brown embellishes calls. He will go down easily when an opponent hooks, elbows, spears him, etc. This is how he draws more penalties than most everyone in the league not named Crosby.

However, he does not fall down and fake getting hit just for the hell of it when no penalty actually occurred.

I guess I have respect for that.


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I am not assuming anything, read my post carefully. I am questioning what you hope to accomplish here, in a Stars GDT. If you want to convince us that Brown is not a diver, you will have better luck getting chickens to love KFC (or convincing us that Taco Cabana commercials are actually great).

If you think there is some difference between diving and embellishment, that is fine and feel free to go to a thread where that is the subject.

Brown is a player who does all kinds of tough guy stuff, like racking up tons of hits and killing penalties, and is also the captain of his team. Yet he also constantly tries to deceive the referee and get an advantage for his team that doesn't come from just playing honest hockey. Most players pick one side of the skill/tough guy dichotomy and stick to it; Brown hits but doesn't fight and dives all over the place.
Okay tough guy. This is a forum for discussion. I read a handful of posters here who think Brown's a diver, and I had hoped to have a discussion about it so fans could see what the other side thinks about it.

If you want to end discussion then so be it. Your loss.

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Is there a difference between diving and embellishing? If so, then Brown isn't a diver.

For example, a stick gets up near Ribeiro's face, and he flings his head back, throws his gloves in the air and flies ten feet... that's a dive.

If a player puts his stick between Brown's skates, and Brown goes down easily to draw the call... that's embellishment. And I believe it's a valuable skill in today's game.

On one play you have a guy (Ribs) making up a penalty that was never there to begin with. On the other play, the player (Brown) is making the penalty obvious for the ref to see and call.

So in that sense, Brown doesn't dive. If players stopped taking liberties with him, he wouldn't have anything to embellish.
Even if every single guy on the Stars is a diver, that doesn't excuse or erase the fact that Dustin Brown is a diver. Save the false equivalence talk for politics.

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If you are legitimately getting hooked by an opponent, are you saying it's preferable to stay on your feet and not draw the penalty? Serious question.
Yeah they used to do it alot and I really miss it. The crackdown on obstruction seems have brought with it alot more diving and embellishing that wasnt so crazy popular in the 90s. Guys used to fight through hooks and holds to try to score and now they just flop to the ice. The power forward position has been all but eliminated because theres no longer any need to battle.

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So in that sense, Brown doesn't dive. If players stopped taking liberties with him, he wouldn't have anything to embellish.
So you're saying if players wouldn't give him the opportunity to dive he'd stopped diving... Seems legit.

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Okay tough guy. This is a forum for discussion. I read a handful of posters here who think Brown's a diver, and I had hoped to have a discussion about it so fans could see what the other side thinks about it.

If you want to end discussion then so be it. Your loss.
This is a game day thread. If I went into your GDT and tried to tell kings fans that Steve Ott gets a bad rap but is totally clean, and that Ribeiro doesn't dive since he has been in Dallas, a dozen LA fans would jump down my throat.

I know the actual Dustin Brown/Steve Ott/Mike Ribeiro exist in a grey area between the good guys who play for my team and the bad guys who play for the other team, and I imagine most people here know that also. Those who don't will just assume that you are a hopeless homer.

There are a bunch of places where you can have a reasonable discussion about diving that is free of divisional bad blood context, but bringing it here isn't going to lead anywhere productive.

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If you are legitimately getting hooked by an opponent, are you saying it's preferable to stay on your feet and not draw the penalty? Serious question.
Yes. Otherwise you are diving. You can call it embellishment if you makes you feel better but your captain is the biggest diver in the league.

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