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03-07-2013, 12:38 PM
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I believe the beef a lot of people have is not that he got traded, its that what we got back seems a bit lacking

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We should make a Selke winning/40 goal man move to wing to make room for a "20 goal man" (who was & still is medicore in faceoffs)?
If it makes the team better, and gives them more chance for success, then yes. Plus, this move would have made Hodgson's asset value more in trade. It's clear (now) that GMMG made an error in this regard.

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03-07-2013, 12:59 PM
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It's not working sorry about that


http://video.sabres.nhl.com/videocen...e?hlg=20122013

You can look at his plays vs Nj 4-3 F so

Both Pominville goals .
You can look at his stats from junior to now.


2006-07 Brampton Battalion OHL 63 23 23 46 24 -21 4 1 3 4 0
2007-08 Brampton Battalion OHL 68 40 45 85 36 15 5 5 0 5 2
2008-09 Brampton Battalion OHL 53 43 49 92 33 41 21 11 20 31 18
2008-09 Manitoba Moose AHL -- -- -- -- -- -- 11 2 4 6 4
2009-10 Brampton Battalion OHL 13 8 12 20 9 6 11 3 7 10 4
2010-11 Manitoba Moose AHL 52 17 13 30 14 -12 -- -- -- -- --
2010-11 Vancouver Canucks NHL 8 1 1 2 0 1 12 0 1 1 2
2011-12 Vancouver Canucks NHL 63 16 17 33 8 8 -- -- -- -- --
2011-12 Buffalo Sabres NHL 20 3 5 8 2 -7 -- -- -- -- --
2012-13 Rochester Americans* AHL 19 5 14 19 10 -3
2012-13 Buffalo Sabres NHL 24 10 11 21 14 -2

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Well, I'm convinced. The Canucks should ask for the trade to be rescinded. Best thing for the team, plus a boost to the economy when Pacific Coast Cresting does all those Hodgson to Kassian back to Hodgson nameplates.

Really, everyone wins.

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03-07-2013, 03:19 PM
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Well, I'm convinced. The Canucks should ask for the trade to be rescinded. Best thing for the team, plus a boost to the economy when Pacific Coast Cresting does all those Hodgson to Kassian back to Hodgson nameplates.

Really, everyone wins.
Clearly, you are being sarcastic. What do we all think Buffalo's response would be if GMMG did try to trade Kassian for Hodgson today? I bet they laugh, and hang up the phone. I like Kassian as a player, but really people, let's try to have some objectivity.

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03-07-2013, 03:23 PM
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You can look at his stats from junior to now.


2006-07 Brampton Battalion OHL 63 23 23 46 24 -21 4 1 3 4 0
2007-08 Brampton Battalion OHL 68 40 45 85 36 15 5 5 0 5 2
2008-09 Brampton Battalion OHL 53 43 49 92 33 41 21 11 20 31 18
2008-09 Manitoba Moose AHL -- -- -- -- -- -- 11 2 4 6 4
2009-10 Brampton Battalion OHL 13 8 12 20 9 6 11 3 7 10 4
2010-11 Manitoba Moose AHL 52 17 13 30 14 -12 -- -- -- -- --
2010-11 Vancouver Canucks NHL 8 1 1 2 0 1 12 0 1 1 2
2011-12 Vancouver Canucks NHL 63 16 17 33 8 8 -- -- -- -- --
2011-12 Buffalo Sabres NHL 20 3 5 8 2 -7 -- -- -- -- --
2012-13 Rochester Americans* AHL 19 5 14 19 10 -3
2012-13 Buffalo Sabres NHL 24 10 11 21 14 -2
doesn;t mean he's not a good playmaker. Not every playmaker has Henrik or Adam Oates stats. He's almost averaging an assist per game in junior just because he score alot doesn't negate that.

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You guys need to give it up on this topic. Right or wrong, it's done.

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You guys need to give it up on this topic. Right or wrong, it's done.
Canuck's fans are simply trying to justify a poor trade. It was a mistake, and let's move on.

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03-07-2013, 03:31 PM
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I really want to fast forward five years and see who's right, just to shut both sides up.

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03-07-2013, 03:32 PM
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It's actually impressive that Gillis has managed to duck so much heat from this deal. Anybody else screws up that bad, they get fired.

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03-07-2013, 03:38 PM
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Clearly, you are being sarcastic. What do we all think Buffalo's response would be if GMMG did try to trade Kassian for Hodgson today? I bet they laugh, and hang up the phone. I like Kassian as a player, but really people, let's try to have some objectivity.
Wow a shocking revelation. A team short on top 6 centers and long on big wingers still would do the deal! Guess what, a team with Hart and Selke winning centers and a need for big wingers also does the trade.

You simply can not take Kesler getting hurt and play hindsight. I think it's the Hodgson supporters the last few pages in this thread that need objectivity. Kassian is at the level Hodgson was at this point last year (20 or so game into the season). Which is as should be expected given Kassian is a year younger with a year less pro experience. it's not shocking. That's not even getting into the discussion that AV quite simply doesn't play guys just because they can put up numbers. First and foremost they need to be defensively responsible, and I believe that is the correct thing btw, so he could just as easily be in the doghouse rather than on the ice.

The crux of the argument from the Hodgson "side" right now is "if the cnaucks kept Hodgson and Grabner and this guy and that other guy and hey why not Steve Bernier as well they'd have sooo mucgh more depth. Well no crap. Unfortunately things rarely work out so you can a first line followed by 5 second lines in the organization. Also, keep in mind I believe the kid is a very good young player who very well might have an extremely bright future.

Honestly, I do think Hodgson will need to develop the other aspects of his game in a hurry given the two big centers the Sabres have in the system. Like it or not, every GM in the league is going to go with the big center even if the big center isn't "as good".

It's also ignoring all the underlying factors such as the likely trade request from the Hodgson camp come the offseason. It is clear they did not want to play Hodgson in the playoffs despite peoples what ifs. So when that trade request comes you have a guy closer to the bottom in value. A guy requesting a trade who couldn't crack the lineup when it mattered.


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03-07-2013, 03:40 PM
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Why is this trade STILL being discussed? It's over and done. Both of them have amazing upsides, Zack will be a special player, as will Cody.

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03-07-2013, 04:18 PM
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Why is this trade STILL being discussed? It's over and done. Both of them have amazing upsides, Zack will be a special player, as will Cody.
Because right now it looks rather terrible.

Even if kassian comes around, when? Hodgson is better now and the team is trying to win now. Even if kassian gets 70 points if the team is mediocre then it doesn't matter.

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03-07-2013, 04:20 PM
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It's actually impressive that Gillis has managed to duck so much heat from this deal. Anybody else screws up that bad, they get fired.
Helps that he threw hodgson under the bus as soon as the questions started getting asked.

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03-07-2013, 04:36 PM
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I believe the beef a lot of people have is not that he got traded, its that what we got back seems a bit lacking
Seems a bit premature to say that, especially with the development curves of many power forwards.

Kassian is 22 now.

At the same age, Lucic was an established NHL player, but just finished a poor third season where (albeit hampered by injuries) he put up 20 points and had some Bruins fans questioning his contract extension.

Bertuzzi was a 20 point player with the Islanders.

Clowe and Backes were AHLers.

Most of the current Canucks weren't doing much at 22 either. Kesler was a 20 point player. The Sedins were 30 point players and probably would have been considered busts by some people.

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03-07-2013, 04:41 PM
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I really want to fast forward five years and see who's right, just to shut both sides up.
Um.

Ask 29 NHL GMs who'd they rather have, 29 will say Cody Hodgson. Vancouver very clearly lost this deal.

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Seems a bit premature to say that, especially with the development curves of many power forwards.

Kassian is 22 now.

At the same age, Lucic was an established NHL player, but just finished a poor third season where (albeit hampered by injuries) he put up 20 points and had some Bruins fans questioning his contract extension.

Bertuzzi was a 20 point player with the Islanders.

Clowe and Backes were AHLers.

Most of the current Canucks weren't doing much at 22 either. Kesler was a 20 point player. The Sedins were 30 point players and probably would have been considered busts by some people.
People always say this, but this explanation only talks about Kassian's development, not Hodgson's. If Kassian's being compared to these guys, who's Hodgson being compared to?

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Um.

Ask 29 NHL GMs who'd they rather have, 29 will say Cody Hodgson. Vancouver very clearly lost this deal.
Heads up, everyone. We've got Eklund on the case. Wicked sources, dude.

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How does so much winning for a club turn their fans into such a bitter group of whiners?

While I can respect folks having a difference of opinion on trades and the like, the level of venom on the Canucks board is a sad. Whether it's this thread hating Gillis/Kassian?hodgson, or the Luongo supporters hating Schneider, or visa versa the hate on Luongo, or the vitriol directed at the Sedins, Kesler, Booth, Raymond, Edler, Garrison, Vigneult, or Bieksa.

It's stupid to say the least, to have such EXTREMELY negative things to say about an organization that's come a hairs width away from winning a cup, coming off back to back President cup wins, with a freakishly good roster that's CLEARLY not quite in sync.

lol. How anyone here can mock the behavior of fans from TO, Flames, Oilers, Hawks and Kings, when the level of objective hockey discussions barely raises it's head out of the gutter here.

I can appreciate the need for criticism, and this team cries out for it, no doubt. But try and apply a little perspective here. Lighten the frick up people!


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03-07-2013, 04:55 PM
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Heads up, everyone. We've got Eklund on the case. Wicked sources, dude.
So you'd rather have Zack Kassian than Cody Hodgson? Is that what you're saying?

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So you'd rather have Zack Kassian than Cody Hodgson? Is that what you're saying?
I'll take the guy that wants to be here.

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So you'd rather have Zack Kassian than Cody Hodgson? Is that what you're saying?
Kassian = shuts up and does his job, 1st line, 4th line.

Hodgson = but daddy please go and tell the coach i am the best player ever i need more ice time.

A power forward of Kassians skill is more rare than a smallish center like Hodgson. As a center Hodgsons defense is god awful.

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03-07-2013, 05:14 PM
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Hodgson is a -2. Meaning he's been on the ice for exactly 2 more goals against than goals for. Over 24 games. I'm not sure that's "getting scored on way more".

What do you think Henrik Sedin's +/- would be if he were playing in the exact same role as Hodgson on Buffalo? That team is a trainwreck defensively, and has had spotty golatending from Miller.

Hodgson has obvious holes in his game, but he is not soley to blame for being on the ice when the puck goes in.
Buffalo's not THAT terrible defensively when that line isn't on. Miller is letting in less 5-on-5 goals/20 than Schneider when Hodgson's line isn't on the ice. In fact Hodgson's line accounts for more than 50% of the 5 on 5 goals for Buffalo. That's a lot for one line. 24 games is a small sample and all but every way you look at the numbers they keep coming back to the same black spot. Realistically Buffalo should pull Hodgson off that line and replace him with a 2-way forward that allows Vanek/Pominville to play their offensive game. Put Cody with some 2-way wingers.

We'll probably lose that trade. Oh well when Cody pulls in a $5m/y contract it won't look so bad. We can go out and get Ribiero or Derek Roy for same $5m/y and get the same production for the same money, that's like getting Hodgson and Kassian.


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So you'd rather have Zack Kassian than Cody Hodgson? Is that what you're saying?
Toss up for me. They fill different roles on the team.

I was making fun of the hyperbole of your statement.

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People always say this, but this explanation only talks about Kassian's development, not Hodgson's. If Kassian's being compared to these guys, who's Hodgson being compared to?
Ribiero, Derek Roy?

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