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03-07-2013, 11:55 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I like Raphael Diaz. I like how he's improved this season and I like him in the line-up ahead of Kaberle and Weber (maybe even Bouillon). But the guy should NEVER, at any level of hockey, play in the line-up ahead of PK Subban. This guy is a ******* horse for us on the back-end. Yes, he has his times where he makes a stupid play or gives it away, but other than that he's steady eddy back there. Plus he can drop people when he wants too, has a cannon on the PP, and always gets the puck out. I love the way he uses his body to shake off defenders, using that one-arm to throw them back as he just casually skates up the ice.

I have, and always will, love this kid and how he plays the game. The start of the year was brutal when there was all these comments questioning his commitment or how good of a player he was.

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03-07-2013, 11:57 PM
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Crazy when you thing about the fact that a d-man peak around 28-30 years old and PK is only 23. And I doubt he reached is full potential. How was that guy not a first round pick?

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It's too bad it took Diaz getting injured to get Subban the ice time he deserves.

He's CLEARLY a top 4 defenseman.
More like a top 1 defenseman.



3.75 mill per year.......

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Velocity has never been a problem with PK. Shot selection on the PP has been a bit questionable in the past. That is not an issue anymore. That little extra adjustment of being more patient for his shot to open up has made him a much bigger PP threat.

Its a pleasure watching him develop.

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03-08-2013, 12:48 AM
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That bridge contract is going to hurt us in the end.

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03-08-2013, 01:39 AM
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That bridge contract is going to hurt us in the end.
I said this a lot at the time but no one believed me. But they re-upped Max after a year, maybe they'll do that with PK?

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03-08-2013, 01:53 AM
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misquote me and troll me that's fine.

i said ''one of the best''.

here's a game for you;

name me the last 3 d-man we've had that's been better than him, and I want to know the years they played in.

Come on big guy you got all the answers.
one of the ALL TIME best is what you said actually...


too easy : Big Bird, le Sénateur and Pointu (underrated). Cant speak of the others like Tremblay as I was way too young to remember them as Habs.


and I'm the one trolling right ?

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03-08-2013, 01:57 AM
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I don't understand what you're trying to get at considering what you bolded from my post.
easy : pretty much all your comments are something along the lines of "it's all MT, he was already as good as that in previous seasons".

Kinda ironic, I'm supposed to be the hater and you the lover, and yet it seems I'm the only one of us two who see improvements in his game.

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That bridge contract is going to hurt us in the end.
It's gonna give us some flexibility this summer.

It will hurt us, but only in the the first 2 years of PK's contract. Cap inflation will correct the situation.

Plus, I still claim that this bridge contract kind of lifted a weight off Subban's shoulders. Was he paid Myer-grade money, he would have expected to perform like a bona-fide #1 defenseman at all time rather than given the time to further develop. I don't think anybody can say he did not described Subban's play as:

"He's one of the best, but...." (fill in question about decision making, maturity, etc...)

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03-08-2013, 02:22 AM
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Haha think he means retired
Indeed. I thought "retirer" in french and for some reason I though "pulled"

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03-08-2013, 03:09 AM
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That bridge contract is going to hurt us in the end.
Sorry but i just never understood this way of thinking?, and i constantly see this type of post when regarding subban

"hurt us in the end?" as in, him making 6 million plus in 2 years? ...what exactly is the problem with that? ... do most people think hes NOt worth the 6 mill? and that the habs shouldnt pay that and that another team should?....

i always thought, if pk is going to eventually end up making 6 mill plus....then its because hes PLAYING like a 6 mill plus player and putting up 6 mill plus numbers ..? then why dont we want him doing all that 6 mill plus sutff WITH us? ..do we think hes going to make 3 mill for 15 years?



so what would of happened if bergevin had folded and given pk 6 mill plus NOW , then the thinking would be : " damn, hes really trying to live up to that hefty contract!" ...but no. hes making under 3 mill..and now its : " wow, pk putting up these numbers and play is a STEAL considering his contract..." ..... so again whats the problem should the 2 years be up and we HAVE to pay him the large contract? that he's earning?

what if we won the cup this year or the next? and then after that bridge contract, we HAVE to pay him 7 mill a year..... would it still matter if we had just won the cup, and hopefully thanks in part to subbans play?

im not targeting you personaly bud, i just cannot, seem to "get" the "wow subbans gonna kill us next contract" posts, ... relatively speaking, dont we WANT this???? wouldnt it mean hes worth and playing like a large contract player??? ..bergevins not an idiot...

the contract at the moment is a steal, and he is outperforming it, and the team is only benefitting from it, ..so why would this stop when he starts getting paid like an all star, and when that even happens, we will have freed up enough cap space for it to be economically viable, paying a player an amount he actually deserves over gomez 7 mill/gionta 5 mill/cammy 6 mill......

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03-08-2013, 03:13 AM
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It's gonna give us some flexibility this summer.

It will hurt us, but only in the the first 2 years of PK's contract. Cap inflation will correct the situation.

Plus, I still claim that this bridge contract kind of lifted a weight off Subban's shoulders. Was he paid Myer-grade money, he would have expected to perform like a bona-fide #1 defenseman at all time rather than given the time to further develop. I don't think anybody can say he did not described Subban's play as:

"He's one of the best, but...." (fill in question about decision making, maturity, etc...)
Sure, you can say that. However, you don't have much facts that back you up.
PK was already playing well in the two previous years, even when used as a #1 Dman.
That's why many wanted him signed long term right now for a cheaper price than he will command in 2 years.
It's not like PK was a question mark. I mean, you might have questions, on whether or not he will become this Norris candidate player, but there was no question on the fact that he's a solid top 2 Dman already.

PK is our best Dman. There were doubt as to whether or not he can be as solid as Markov was in his prime. But the kid had all the potential in the world, and that's what most teams do. They sign great potential kids to smaller deals when they still aren't 100% proven, as opposed to giving them a smaller deal and then signing them to a bigger deal.
If PK keeps up his play and progression, he will command around 6M+. But I think we could have locked him up around 4.5-5M earlier.

This kid is so good.

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03-08-2013, 03:15 AM
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Sorry but i just never understood this way of thinking?, and i constantly see this type of post when regarding subban

"hurt us in the end?" as in, him making 6 million plus in 2 years? ...what exactly is the problem with that? ... do most people think hes NOt worth the 6 mill? and that the habs shouldnt pay that and that another team should?....

i always thought, if pk is going to eventually end up making 6 mill plus....then its because hes PLAYING like a 6 mill plus player and putting up 6 mill plus numbers ..? then why dont we want him doing all that 6 mill plus sutff WITH us? ..do we think hes going to make 3 mill for 15 years?



so what would of happened if bergevin had folded and given pk 6 mill plus NOW , then the thinking would be : " damn, hes really trying to live up to that hefty contract!" ...but no. hes making under 3 mill..and now its : " wow, pk putting up these numbers and play is a STEAL considering his contract..." ..... so again whats the problem should the 2 years be up and we HAVE to pay him the large contract? that he's earning?

what if we won the cup this year or the next? and then after that bridge contract, we HAVE to pay him 7 mill a year..... would it still matter if we had just won the cup, and hopefully thanks in part to subbans play?

im not targeting you personaly bud, i just cannot, seem to "get" the "wow subbans gonna kill us next contract" posts, ... relatively speaking, dont we WANT this???? wouldnt it mean hes worth and playing like a large contract player??? ..bergevins not an idiot...

the contract at the moment is a steal, and he is outperforming it, and the team is only benefitting from it, ..so why would this stop when he starts getting paid like an all star, and when that even happens, we will have freed up enough cap space for it to be economically viable, paying a player an amount he actually deserves over gomez 7 mill/gionta 5 mill/cammy 6 mill......
The point isn't that Bergevin folds and gives him 6M now. It's that he would have signed for less than that, maybe around 4.5-5M, and so save us about 1M off the cap.

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03-08-2013, 03:17 AM
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one of the ALL TIME best is what you said actually...


too easy : Big Bird, le Sénateur and Pointu (underrated). Cant speak of the others like Tremblay as I was way too young to remember them as Habs.


and I'm the one trolling right ?
He did say name me the years they played in.
You have to go way, way back. That's his point.

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03-08-2013, 03:54 AM
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He did say name me the years they played in.
You have to go way, way back. That's his point.
1. wether he knows who I'm talking about and in wich eras they played - or not, isnt my problem
2. wether it's been 2 years, 20 or 50 is irrelevant, ALL TIME means just that, for the whole time the Habs existed, over 100 years... if he wants to make it "in the last 20 years" or something, all he has to do is say so. He didnt - not my problem. He can troll as much as he wants for all I care.

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Sure, you can say that. However, you don't have much facts that back you up.
PK was already playing well in the two previous years, even when used as a #1 Dman.
That's why many wanted him signed long term right now for a cheaper price than he will command in 2 years.
It's not like PK was a question mark. I mean, you might have questions, on whether or not he will become this Norris candidate player, but there was no question on the fact that he's a solid top 2 Dman already.

PK is our best Dman. There were doubt as to whether or not he can be as solid as Markov was in his prime. But the kid had all the potential in the world, and that's what most teams do. They sign great potential kids to smaller deals when they still aren't 100% proven, as opposed to giving them a smaller deal and then signing them to a bigger deal.
If PK keeps up his play and progression, he will command around 6M+. But I think we could have locked him up around 4.5-5M earlier.

This kid is so good.
and there's no evidence that it's a better strategy (in building a contender).

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Crazy when you thing about the fact that a d-man peak around 28-30 years old and PK is only 23. And I doubt he reached is full potential. How was that guy not a first round pick?
At the time, people thought Subban would be a power play specialist at best who would be a defensive liability, like Marc-Andre Bergeron and Yannick Weber.

I remember one or two years after he was drafted, Habs fans thought he should be converted to forward to give him that 10% chance of making it the NHL as a fringe player, because it was widely believed PK would suck at defense and was only good for offense.

PK never believed this. When he was drafted he was asked what PK stands for, on the day of the draft. I remember his answer: "penalty killer".

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I said this a lot at the time but no one believed me.
No one believed you?

Please.

A huge swath of this forum was against the bridge contract. We wanted him signed at 6-8 years for 4-5 million, so as to save money in the long-term.

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No one believed you?

Please.

A huge swath of this forum was against the bridge contract. We wanted him signed at 6-8 years for 4-5 million, so as to save money in the long-term.
I'd say it was about half and half...but most were just telling him to sing the contract offered and how he wasn't a team player.

Bergie will pay through the nose now.

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Don't get me wrong, I like Raphael Diaz. I like how he's improved this season and I like him in the line-up ahead of Kaberle and Weber (maybe even Bouillon). But the guy should NEVER, at any level of hockey, play in the line-up ahead of PK Subban. This guy is a ******* horse for us on the back-end. Yes, he has his times where he makes a stupid play or gives it away, but other than that he's steady eddy back there. Plus he can drop people when he wants too, has a cannon on the PP, and always gets the puck out. I love the way he uses his body to shake off defenders, using that one-arm to throw them back as he just casually skates up the ice.

I have, and always will, love this kid and how he plays the game. The start of the year was brutal when there was all these comments questioning his commitment or how good of a player he was.
This....but according to ECWHSWI and others having Diaz play ahead of PK while PK plays 18 minutes a game was adequate. It was hilarious watching them try to justify this.

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Subban's shots are now hitting the targets.

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Seeing PK play well, produce points and 'act corporate' must really irk all of his detractors.

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Seeing PK play well, produce points and 'act corporate' must really irk all of his detractors.
Someone should update the video clips used on that "How Do You Like Me Know" PK youtube video.

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Subban is becoming quietly dominant. Playing more and more, and putting points on the board.

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