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03-07-2013, 09:56 PM
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So we're getting rid of Stafford because he's not playing worth $4 Million to pick up a guy making $6.6 Million to hope that he also turns it around?

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don't see why Stafford gets all the hate when virtually the entire team has underachieved, would I trade him? sure.. would I move him just to get him out? nope.

If you want to move him at least wait until his value increases

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remember that report a few years ago when Spezza was on the block and OTT wanted Ennis along with Roy and Buffalo said no? I think we do that deal 10/10 times now lol

or in the summer when we most likely could have gotten B. Ryan for Stafford and Ennis...

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03-07-2013, 10:27 PM
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remember that report a few years ago when Spezza was on the block and OTT wanted Ennis along with Roy and Buffalo said no? I think we do that deal 10/10 times now lol
We actually don't know the other pieces. Only that Regier supposedly said no when they wanted to include Ennis.

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or in the summer when we most likely could have gotten B. Ryan for Stafford and Ennis...
Source? I doubt that would have gotten it done.

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We actually don't know the other pieces. Only that Regier supposedly said no when they wanted to include Ennis.


Source? I doubt that would have gotten it done.
I literally have no source but I believe that Lebrun mentioned something about it in the offseason.

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Stafford isn't worth $4,000,000.... He has no value trade wise as he is awful.

Buy him out with Leino and use that money on a legitimate star player which we do not have.

No, not even Vanek. 100% Vanek Healthy for 20 games a year isn't a star player.

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03-07-2013, 11:33 PM
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Stafford isn't worth $4,000,000.... He has no value trade wise as he is awful.

Buy him out with Leino and use that money on a legitimate star player which we do not have.

No, not even Vanek. 100% Vanek Healthy for 20 games a year isn't a star player.
Still our best forward and a first liner on any team in the league. If you're dreaming of a with several players better than Vanek, prepare to be disappointed forever.

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03-08-2013, 04:09 AM
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So we're getting rid of Stafford because he's not playing worth $4 Million to pick up a guy making $6.6 Million to hope that he also turns it around?
I dont care about what the guys are being paid, Stafford isn't playing well enough to earn a spot on this team. His shooting but can't score, his at best invisible most nights and just seems defeated, all the time

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Stafford isn't worth $4,000,000.... He has no value trade wise as he is awful.

Buy him out with Leino and use that money on a legitimate star player which we do not have.

No, not even Vanek. 100% Vanek Healthy for 20 games a year isn't a star player.
I thought even under the new CBA the buyout rules were pretty bad? Like having to pay for a portion of the contract, only getting 2 buyouts or something of that sort. Can someone fill me in on this please?

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Stafford isn't worth $4,000,000.... He has no value trade wise as he is awful.

Buy him out with Leino and use that money on a legitimate star player which we do not have.

No, not even Vanek. 100% Vanek Healthy for 20 games a year isn't a star player.
Believe it or not there are teams with scoring depth who'll want someone who can score in bunches and is responsible at both ends of the ice, teams like Anahiem, LA like these sorts of players as they have the reliable, everyday scorers and need further depth.

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Stafford to Anaheim for Beleskey

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Still our best forward and a first liner on any team in the league. If you're dreaming of a with several players better than Vanek, prepare to be disappointed forever.
Vanek isn't our best forward for the half of the season he's nursing an injury every year for what? The last 3?

Consistancy is what we need. Not 170 pt pace for 25% of the year, them poof!

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Stafford to Anaheim for Beleskey
Your keyboard must've stopped working, because you didn't type what else Anaheim was giving us.

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Stafford isn't worth $4,000,000.... He has no value trade wise as he is awful.

Buy him out with Leino and use that money on a legitimate star player which we do not have.

No, not even Vanek. 100% Vanek Healthy for 20 games a year isn't a star player.
I didn't realize "awful" players can score 52 goals in the NHL over two seasons. Man, I'd hate to see what you say about most of the other players in the league.

BTW, what "legitimate star players" are going to be knocking down the door to play for a bottom-feeding team in Buffalo, NY when they can get similar money to play for better teams in better cities? Are people still subscribing to the myth that marquee free agents want to come to Buffalo?

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I didn't realize "awful" players can score 52 goals in the NHL over two seasons. Man, I'd hate to see what you say about most of the other players in the league.

BTW, what "legitimate star players" are going to be knocking down the door to play for a bottom-feeding team in Buffalo, NY when they can get similar money to play for better teams in better cities? Are people still subscribing to the myth that marquee free agents want to come to Buffalo?
Especially since fans of said bottom feeders want them to lose, no-one wants to play for that team.

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So we're getting rid of Stafford because he's not playing worth $4 Million to pick up a guy making $6.6 Million to hope that he also turns it around?
Yep. And they're adding Ennis in to the trade to make it happen.

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Your keyboard must've stopped working, because you didn't type what else Anaheim was giving us.

future cap space

Addition by subtraction

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Moving on from the "trade everyone because they suck" talk for a moment, we should be rooting for Winnipeg to stay in the playoff hunt. They have three 2nd rounders in the 2013 draft--their own, CHI's from the Oduya trade, and a compensatory 2nd for failing to sign 2008 1st rounder Daulton Leveille--and their management/ownership may push hard to get that city some playoff hockey for the first time since 1996.

The Jets (3), Habs (3), and Blues (2) all have multiple picks in the 2nd round, so we should be rooting hard for those teams to be buyers. Winnipeg has a terrible PK, so Regehr would be some help there.

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future cap space
Cap space in and of itself is worthless, especially in a poor UFA market--at least outside the top few guys who likely won't consider coming to Buffalo, or will merely use Pegula as a pawn to pump up their value.


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Addition by subtraction
I don't believe in this concept. Trading Stafford--at his lowest value, to boot--creates a hole on RW. Thus, they'll either have to move Vanek to RW, thereby breaking up Vanek-Pominville, or they'll do something that's quintessentially Buffalo Sabres and just trust Armia and Tropp to fill the void. And we'll still suck.

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Yep. And they're adding Ennis in to the trade to make it happen.
I saw 1 person suggest that any everyone else say know, what is this about adding Ennis?

Alright, lets go after Iginla, Ryan, Evander or Patrick Kane. Lets get rid of what few assets we have for 1 elite player. That'll make us successful!

Stastny isn't 'the' answer but he could help, yep sure he comes for a price but I reckon Stafford could get us him straight. Both players need a change of scenery and have fallen out of favour with the fans.

Hell I'm not under the illusion I'm right (I'm pretty damn sure none of us are) but I do remember going through this with Regehr. I said it was a bad idea as his old and slow, another Rivet, NOT another Numminen. I turned out to be damn right as the same fans who said it was a good idea now say he can't be relied upon.

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I thought even under the new CBA the buyout rules were pretty bad? Like having to pay for a portion of the contract, only getting 2 buyouts or something of that sort. Can someone fill me in on this please?
There are 2 amnesty buyouts you can use that don't count against the cap.

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Stafford isn't worth $4,000,000.... He has no value trade wise as he is awful.

Buy him out with Leino and use that money on a legitimate star player which we do not have.

No, not even Vanek. 100% Vanek Healthy for 20 games a year isn't a star player.
Vanek has the 10th highest gpg in the entire league. When Selanne and Jagr retire he will move up to 8th. Yes, Vanek is a star player and has been for awhile. Vanek is an elite goal scorer.

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Maybe it's just me, but I think most people have a problem with Stafford for two main reasons:

1) His contract in comparison with his play
2) The letter on his chest in comparison with his play

I'm not all that familiar with amnesty buy out rules, so maybe someone here can set me straight... But...

If we bought out Stafford... Could we resign him at a much more cost effective contract? Not that we would, or could. Just wondering if we could do it by the rules.

Because I think if he was cheaper and we used him in the bottom six, people would like him a bit better. Unless they've just soured completely. Which is possible

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Maybe it's just me, but I think most people have a problem with Stafford for two main reasons:

1) His contract in comparison with his play
2) The letter on his chest in comparison with his play

I'm not all that familiar with amnesty buy out rules, so maybe someone here can set me straight... But...

If we bought out Stafford... Could we resign him at a much more cost effective contract? Not that we would, or could. Just wondering if we could do it by the rules.

Because I think if he was cheaper and we used him in the bottom six, people would like him a bit better. Unless they've just soured completely. Which is possible
Pretty sure if you buy a player out, you can't resign him for a year.

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Vanek isn't our best forward for the half of the season he's nursing an injury every year for what? The last 3?

Consistancy is what we need. Not 170 pt pace for 25% of the year, them poof!
Again.... Good luck with that. Vanek is one of the most consistent goal-scorers in the league. One of only 4 active players with 25+ goals in each of his first 7 seasons, and looks like he may make it 8 in spite of the shortened season. Only the truly elite players have the kind of consistency you're talking about (ie: Crosby, Stamkos), and even then they have some slumps. What good teams have is better depth (and D) than Buffalo to keep them competitive when their star scorers are slumping. Our next best winger outside of that top line is Stafford probably, who barely made it to 50 points last year.

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Vanek has the 10th highest gpg in the entire league. When Selanne and Jagr retire he will move up to 8th. Yes, Vanek is a star player and has been for awhile. Vanek is an elite goal scorer.
No doubt. But he gets injured every year and it makes him less effective.


We need more than Vanek. He can't be counted on over the course of a season. As he gets older he more likely to get injure more often.

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