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03-08-2013, 12:30 AM
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something I asked earlier in this thread that I'd really like expored:


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what is causing this? Anyone?

Basically, if I understand TDMM correctly, he's saying that hr's adjusted points are a joke for 1993 because everyone is too high. But the season does seem to be treated every bit as harshly as 1983, when scoring was even higher. So what's going on here?
Top scorers as a group scored significantly more in 1993 than any other season, including any season in the 80s. But since HR's adjusted points is based on league average scoring, it doesn't adjust the scoring of top players in 1993 enough. Basically, 100 points was easier to get in 1993 than in 1983, even though league average scoring was lower. That's the whole point of using methods like Vs2 - to look at how hard it was for top scorers to score, not all players.

There have been quite a few threads on why 1992-93 was such a unique season, but it was definitely unique.

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03-08-2013, 12:43 AM
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i have traded picks 534 and 619 to chicago for picks 539 and 603.


with pick 534, chicago takes 2011 selke winner and 40g scorer C Ryan Kesler.

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03-08-2013, 12:50 AM
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i have traded picks 534 and 619 to chicago for picks 539 and 603.


with pick 534, chicago takes 2011 selke winner and 40g scorer C Ryan Kesler.
Came on to check one last time before going to bed. Thanks for announcing my pick nik! Kesler will center our 4th line.


Kesler has a great Selke record: 1, 2, 3, 5, 11


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03-08-2013, 12:52 AM
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Came on to check one last time before going to bed. Thanks for announcing my pick nik! Kesler will center our 3rd line.


Kesler has a great Selke record: 1, 2, 3, 5, 11
took me longer than it should have, b/c my internet connection stalled for about 10 minutes. i have also PMed DY.

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03-08-2013, 05:44 AM
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Viking Maniacs selects Simon Gagne.

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03-08-2013, 05:50 AM
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With our seventeenth selection, the 536th overall in this year All-Time Draft, les Nordiques de Quebec are very proud to select, from Trenton, Ontario, Canada, C/LW Mel Bridgman






''We are extremely please to draft a player with incredible intangibles to start our fourth line. A fine defensive player who can anchor a penalty kill unit, Mel Bridgman is more recognize by being a big, strong, mean, tough, dirty and aggressive forward. A player that was as effective at centre or on the left side, Bridgman was a model of consistency over his 15 years NHL career. We believe this former 1st overall selection will help us in the many little things we need to do to win a hockey game.''






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Les Nordiques de Quebec are still actively looking to trade up for pick #553. We are offering:

537-542 - 793-799(25th)
FOR
553(18th) - 664(21st)

+16to+11 - -125+++


Conditional on one player being available.

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03-08-2013, 06:12 AM
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The Ottawa Senators select Ron Stackhouse, D

A big (6'3" in the 1970s), skilled, mobile right-handed defenceman, he did everything for the 1970s Penguins except hit.

Stackhouse received all-star votes in four seasons. He played big minutes in all situations, with career usage numbers of 42% at even strength, 46% on the power play, and 49% on the penalty kill. And despite playing on weak teams in an unbalanced league, he was still a plus player (on-ice GF/GA ratio of 1.05, compared to 0.82 when he was off the ice.)

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From that point on, (Stackhouse) began to solidify all aspects of his game. He played with an offensive orientation, could skate well for a big man, possessed a solid, low shot from the point, and grew to become a fearless shot-blocker.

With the Pens, Stackhouse reached the peak of his blueline proficiency. He became a mainstay on the club's backline over the seven-and-a-half seasons that followed. But in spite of his solid play, there was little that was harmonious about his time in Pittsburgh. The fans at the Igloo wanted to see big players, like Stackhouse, hit everybody that moved with the intent to destroy. Anything less was met with choruses of boos and catcalls. It was not in the beleaguered rearguard's nature to do anymore physically than was necessary to secure his zone.
(from seventieslord) This is what the Hollander scouting reports had to say:

1973: Tall and tough defender... played standout hockey for Detroit...

1975: Long reach enables him to play the man...

1978: Solid, all-round defenseman who seems to be getting more aggressive

1979: Has learned to use his size to better advantage

1980: Doesn't hit often but is deceptively effective with the use of the pokecheck

1981: solid, two-way type who uses size and reach to best advantage... Penguins top plus player last season...

1982: Solid as a house... sound player in mold of old-time blueliner... doesn't look to score, looks to block shots... one of most coveted players team has... team nixed a deal from Philadelphia that would have landed three players... consistently the pens' top +/- player... Has adjusted game from when he was the leading scorer among defensemen... has breezy skating style which sometimes makes him look lazy... lots of GMs would love to have his kind of laziness...


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03-08-2013, 08:26 AM
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Came on to check one last time before going to bed. Thanks for announcing my pick nik! Kesler will center our 4th line.

Kesler has a great Selke record: 1, 2, 3, 5, 11
An interesting pick. Kesler has certainly been a strong defensive forward thus far in his career, though I think he's still a little bit green for a starting role in the ATD. He's got basically five peak seasons under his belt. I think Kesler can come out and skate hard for you and give you good defense, but offensively he's very weak, only having cracked 30 even strength points three times in his career. I think he's ideally still a spare at this point.

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03-08-2013, 08:43 AM
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An interesting pick. Kesler has certainly been a strong defensive forward thus far in his career, though I think he's still a little bit green for a starting role in the ATD. He's got basically five peak seasons under his belt. I think Kesler can come out and skate hard for you and give you good defense, but offensively he's very weak, only having cracked 30 even strength points three times in his career. I think he's ideally still a spare at this point.
I agree about the offense being weak, but I drafted him beacause I needed a center that could play 1st unit PK. Kesler has been one of the top PKers on his team for 7 seasons. It was between him and one other guy for this pick. That guy has more longevity, but a lower peak, and his offense is probably worse, and at least even. I will mention him when when he gets picked.

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03-08-2013, 08:44 AM
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The Ottawa Senators select Ron Stackhouse, D
Gawd, I have no respect for the guy! Why? Because in the seventies as a 6th and 7th grader of elementary school - when hurling hockey cards at walls to knock down cards and claim them bowling style was the height of boy fun - Stackhouse was ridiculed as an offensive knucklehead who didn't know much about defense (NO ONE wanted his card.).

His rep as poor defensively was also evident two decades later in sim leagues I was in 1998-2003, but in the last half decade I don't think I've come any negative references toward him. The stats junkies have appraised his points above all else? It sure seems so. Maybe everyone I reall hearing as a kid talk about him, and the FHL simm commish's of a decade ago were totally off base, but... I haven't seen any evidence to discount my experience growing up as a hockey fan, though I admit only secondhand knowledge of Stackhouse, by rep, because I have no memory of every watching a Pens game before Mario came along (ugh, what a loser franchise back before Lemieux).

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03-08-2013, 09:17 AM
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An interesting pick. Kesler has certainly been a strong defensive forward thus far in his career, though I think he's still a little bit green for a starting role in the ATD. He's got basically five peak seasons under his belt. I think Kesler can come out and skate hard for you and give you good defense, but offensively he's very weak, only having cracked 30 even strength points three times in his career. I think he's ideally still a spare at this point.
I was thinking the exact same thing. He was on my shortlist for the later rounds as a spare.

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03-08-2013, 09:45 AM
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Who can take a list for my upcoming 2 picks in a row?

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I can take the list.

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03-08-2013, 10:16 AM
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Mooseheads select defensive specialist Percy Galbraith, LW.

Named best defensive forward, penalty killer, and shaddow of 1920-1929 by Ultimate Hockey. He also came up big in two separate playoffs, once leading the league in scoring.

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03-08-2013, 10:19 AM
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Mooseheads select defensive specialist Percy Galbraith, LW.

Named best defensive forward, penalty killer, and shaddow of 1920-1929 by Ultimate Hockey. He also came up big in two separate playoffs, once leading the league in scoring.
Is there any other source than Ultimate Hockey on his defensive greatness?

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Is there any other source than Ultimate Hockey on his defensive greatness?
Good question. I figured there had to be at least some basis for those questionable UH awards, and didn't have much time to research, hopefully I can find some stuff too susbstaniate their claim.

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03-08-2013, 10:28 AM
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nanooks select LW/C Murray Murdoch.

never missed a game in his career, was fast, a good scorer and one of the top defensive F's of his time.


murdoch is probably most famous as LW, but he was C for cecil dillon and another player, and for paul thompson and another player.

he and dillon were also used together as PKers.



i don't know who has cecil dillon, but i found a 1936 article in which he was called "the perfect player."

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nanooks select LW/C Murray Murdoch.

never missed a game in his career, was fast, a good scorer and one of the top defensive F's of his time.


murdoch is probably most famous as LW, but he was C for cecil dillon and another player, and for paul thompson and another player.

he and dillon were also used together as PKers.



i don't know who has cecil dillon, but i found a 1936 article in which he was called "the perfect player."
Why no one wants to trade with us?

And this quotes is already in the biography I've made of him. Cecil Dillon is a borderline Top-200 All-Time player, I've said that before.

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03-08-2013, 11:02 AM
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Is there any other source than Ultimate Hockey on his defensive greatness?
i did a search in google's archives just now, and galbraith was known for D.

but the problem is that almost all the newspapers are from northeastern US, and are pay-per-view. it is generally a lot harder to find things in newspapers from american teams of that era.


some bits i found:
from 1929 daily boston globe: "...galbraith, perhaps the best defensive forward in hockey will be..."

from 1933 daily boston globe: "...to hold mr conacher in check it is the same percy galbraith..."

from 1961 christian science monitor: "....And percy "perk" galbraith, a tall fellow out of toronto and manitoba by way of eveleth, minnesota, was one of the team's greats--a key master of defense among..."

from 1927 boston daily globe: ...galbraith is one of the best left wings in the game, and his defensive play, even more than his ability to score, has done much in keeping the boston team a ...


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Why no one wants to trade with us?

And this quotes is already in the biography I've made of him. Cecil Dillon is a borderline Top-200 All-Time player, I've said that before.
sorry, i just didn't feel like trading. and sorry for missing that quote. i am fairly sure i read your bio of dillon.


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03-08-2013, 11:06 AM
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i did a search in google's archives just now, and galbraith was known for D.

but the problem is that almost all the newspapers are from northeastern US, and are pay-per-view.


some bits i found:
from 1929: "...galbraith, perhaps the best defensive forward in hockey will be..."

from 1933: "...to hold mr conacher in check it is the same percy galbraith..."

from 1961: "....And percy "perk" galbraith, a tall fellow out of toronto and manitoba by way of eveleth, minnesota, was one of the team's greats--a key master of defense among..."
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That's good enough. Would be nice to see a biography on him.

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03-08-2013, 11:35 AM
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An interesting pick. Kesler has certainly been a strong defensive forward thus far in his career, though I think he's still a little bit green for a starting role in the ATD. He's got basically five peak seasons under his belt. I think Kesler can come out and skate hard for you and give you good defense, but offensively he's very weak, only having cracked 30 even strength points three times in his career. I think he's ideally still a spare at this point.
He's green, but he's all you can ask for out of a fourth liner.

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03-08-2013, 11:39 AM
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He's green, but he's all you can ask for out of a fourth liner.
You can ask for more. There are plenty of 4th liners just as good who have had complete careers.

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You can ask for more. There are plenty of 4th liners just as good who have had complete careers.
Name them when they're picked. Not to show you up, but I'm genuinely curious who they are.

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i did a search in google's archives just now, and galbraith was known for D.

but the problem is that almost all the newspapers are from northeastern US, and are pay-per-view. it is generally a lot harder to find things in newspapers from american teams of that era.


some bits i found:
from 1929 daily boston globe: "...galbraith, perhaps the best defensive forward in hockey will be..."

from 1933 daily boston globe: "...to hold mr conacher in check it is the same percy galbraith..."

from 1961 christian science monitor: "....And percy "perk" galbraith, a tall fellow out of toronto and manitoba by way of eveleth, minnesota, was one of the team's greats--a key master of defense among..."

from 1927 boston daily globe: ...galbraith is one of the best left wings in the game, and his defensive play, even more than his ability to score, has done much in keeping the boston team a ...



sorry, i just didn't feel like trading. and sorry for missing that quote. i am fairly sure i read your bio of dillon.
Man, how are you getting those Boston Globe quotes? They're pay-per unless you have a subscription.

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You can ask for more. There are plenty of 4th liners just as good who have had complete careers.
There are better overall players, but I think he's about as good as there was in terms of a defensive game, and as I said I needed someone that could handle 1st Unit PK. I don't think there has been anyone available for a while that has close to Kesler's Selke record, right?

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