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03-07-2013, 02:34 PM
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I think Bouchard could fetch a second. Hell last year Gaustad got a first and a 4th.. I think Cullen could get a first.

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You do realize that Parise has a NMC right?
I never once said anything about a Parise trade. I was looking for a possible reason behind his underperformance. Suter has gotten better as the season has gone on, perhaps to a degree because he played in the Western Conference. Parise has gotten worse no matter how you try to spin-it.

Deep down I know its all Mikko's fault that Parise is underperforming. After all Parise is averaging more shots per game than last year, and they are not going in. That is Mikko's fault Parise's shot percentage is below his career average. Of course, if I were Mikko, I would start wondering whether I would want to pass to Parise, because he can't seal the deal.

BTW, Mikko is actually ahead of his PPG average versus career, but Parise is not. Mikko has more even strength AND power play points than Parise. For all the hype, I expected the numbers to be reversed.

I don't automatically buy into the hype, results speak louder than words.

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Deep down I know its all Mikko's fault that Parise is underperforming. After all Parise is averaging more shots per game than last year, and they are not going in. That is Mikko's fault Parise's shot percentage is below his career average.
Maybe it's because all those shots were against inferior Eastern Conference goalies.

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What about Owen Nolan. He wanted to come back here

Think of all the vet experience HE has!
Is he even playing anymore? Oh well, who cares, sign him anyway. Anything to get rid of the dead weight and busted prospects on this team.

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we should flip spurgeon. everyone here thinks he's great so why wouldn't we get a ton for him?

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we should flip spurgeon. everyone here thinks he's great so why wouldn't we get a ton for him?
inb4 Phuis...

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I've been happier with Cullen of late. Butch and Heatley just aren't doing much for me. Heatley's almost to the point I'd rather have Mitchell playing up. Yeah, yeah preposterous statement of the day. But with Coyle and Granlund not having an impact and sluggish play 5-on-5...

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we should flip spurgeon. everyone here thinks he's great so why wouldn't we get a ton for him?
No, everyone's making fun of me for thinking he's great. He is, but very few are seeing the little things he does.

His trade value is waaay below his actual value to this team.

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Someone could start a Value of: Jared Spurgeon thread on the trade board?

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IIRC Spurge gets some love from national broadcasters and other teams' house broadcasters. At least i've heard them praise him on some of the pirated feeds i've watched.
I think there's very little chance we trade him though. Still, he'd be the only D i'm willing to part with that would gain us anything more than a cleared contract spot.

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IIRC Spurge gets some love from national broadcasters and other teams' house broadcasters. At least i've heard them praise him on some of the pirated feeds i've watched.
I think there's very little chance we trade him though. Still, he'd be the only D i'm willing to part with that would gain us anything more than a cleared contract spot.
I have to ask: Why? The likely return for Spurgeon would be maybe a 2nd round pick, but most likely a 3rd-4th rounder or a bottom-6 FWD. With our puck moving ability from D still being an issue, I'd rather not move Spurgeon. He is a great fit on our 3rd pairing, even though he would do just fine in the 2nd pairing if we didn't have Gilbert there.

And this time, I will reason my argument too, instead of just blindly yelling "DON'T YOU DARE TO INSULT MY LOVE!!!".

This is our current defense:

Suter - Brodin
Stoner - Gilbert
Falk - Spurgeon

Suter, Brodin and Gilbert are pretty much untouchables. Let's say that they form the core of our D.

The next group is Spurgeon, Falk, Stoner, Scandella and Prosser. All of them have played in our bottom-2 pairings this year. Everyone is different of course, but out of those 5, we have 2 pure defensive D-men, 1 puck-mover who is better defensively than offensively (Scandella), 1 pure offensive D-man (Spurgeon) and 1 who doesn't really know what he is (Prosser).

There are 3 open positions in the D, and if we take handedness into account, we need two lefties and one righty. Furthermore, if style of play is considered, we need two "defensive" and one puck-moving/offensive D-man.

Out of these, who would be best suited to play with Gilbert? Ideally, it would be a defensive, crease-clearing physical D-man. In other words, Clayton Stoner. Too bad his surname is derived from his puck-moving ability. Ideally, he should be used in the 3rd pairing and as a PK specialist, NOT in the 2nd pairing.

Falk is too inconsistent, so is Scandella. The latter looked really good next to Gilbert last season, although the sample size was quite small.

That leaves us with the 3rd pairing. Prosser and Spurgeon are competing for the "offensive" position on that pairing. I don't think it's necessary to say who wins that battle. The real question is: Who will we pair with him? Falk, Stoner or Scandella? Well, the last one is in AHL and currently injured (?) so we'll cross him out. Falk or Stoner it is. And I'm OK with it.

So, to break it down:

Suter-Brodin
x - Gilbert
Stoner/Falk - Spurgeon
Prosser

You'll notice the X there, next to Gilbert. THAT is the need we have to address. I'd like me some Clayton Stoner with better hands, thank you. Unfortunately, so does everyone else.

Who do we want? What do we need to give? That, probably, is what we should discuss, not whether we should accept a 4th rounder for Spurgeon.

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03-07-2013, 07:31 PM
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I have to ask: Why? The likely return for Spurgeon would be maybe a 2nd round pick, but most likely a 3rd-4th rounder or a bottom-6 FWD. With our puck moving ability from D still being an issue, I'd rather not move Spurgeon. He is a great fit on our 3rd pairing, even though he would do just fine in the 2nd pairing if we didn't have Gilbert there.

And this time, I will reason my argument too, instead of just blindly yelling "DON'T YOU DARE TO INSULT MY LOVE!!!".

This is our current defense:

Suter - Brodin
Stoner - Gilbert
Falk - Spurgeon

Suter, Brodin and Gilbert are pretty much untouchables. Let's say that they form the core of our D.

The next group is Spurgeon, Falk, Stoner, Scandella and Prosser. All of them have played in our bottom-2 pairings this year. Everyone is different of course, but out of those 5, we have 2 pure defensive D-men, 1 puck-mover who is better defensively than offensively (Scandella), 1 pure offensive D-man (Spurgeon) and 1 who doesn't really know what he is (Prosser).

There are 3 open positions in the D, and if we take handedness into account, we need two lefties and one righty. Furthermore, if style of play is considered, we need two "defensive" and one puck-moving/offensive D-man.

Out of these, who would be best suited to play with Gilbert? Ideally, it would be a defensive, crease-clearing physical D-man. In other words, Clayton Stoner. Too bad his surname is derived from his puck-moving ability. Ideally, he should be used in the 3rd pairing and as a PK specialist, NOT in the 2nd pairing.

Falk is too inconsistent, so is Scandella. The latter looked really good next to Gilbert last season, although the sample size was quite small.

That leaves us with the 3rd pairing. Prosser and Spurgeon are competing for the "offensive" position on that pairing. I don't think it's necessary to say who wins that battle. The real question is: Who will we pair with him? Falk, Stoner or Scandella? Well, the last one is in AHL and currently injured (?) so we'll cross him out. Falk or Stoner it is. And I'm OK with it.

So, to break it down:

Suter-Brodin
x - Gilbert
Stoner/Falk - Spurgeon
Prosser

You'll notice the X there, next to Gilbert. THAT is the need we have to address. I'd like me some Clayton Stoner with better hands, thank you. Unfortunately, so does everyone else.

Who do we want? What do we need to give? That, probably, is what we should discuss, not whether we should accept a 4th rounder for Spurgeon.
TBH the best i would hope for is a return of a top four D roster player I like better and that would come with a Spurge-[bottom six forward] package. I know we have differing opinions on this, but Spurgeon has been bad in the D zone. We could try Genoway up here if we wanted an offensive D man. It would be a definite downgrade but with another Gilbert we could afford to shelter him a little.

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TBH the best i would hope for is a return of a top four D roster player I like better and that would come with a Spurge-[bottom six forward] package. I know we have differing opinions on this, but Spurgeon has been bad in the D zone. We could try Genoway up here if we wanted an offensive D man. It would be a definite downgrade but with another Gilbert we could afford to shelter him a little.
Trade spurgeon+, sign Schmidt to replace him.

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we should flip spurgeon. everyone here thinks he's great so why wouldn't we get a ton for him?
If someone asks Fletch about Spurgeon, he ought to jump on the offer. Who in their right mind would want a 5'8" (with skates on), 170 lb defenseman. He like a Marc Andre Bergeron, if he sticks in the NHL, he will be on numerous teams duing his career.

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I would love to have one if he was as good as Curt Giles.

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im not sure what to think of spur, hes done way better than i thought he would. in the future he may continue 2 be a good #7 / alt D-man. his cap hit is low enough. i say keep em.

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I think Bouchard could fetch a second. Hell last year Gaustad got a first and a 4th.. I think Cullen could get a first.
I'd agree with getting something for bouchard. I could see him doing good things on another team in the top 6

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I would love to have one if he was as good as Curt Giles.
Yeah that'd be nice. He was one of a kind. Crazy he's Edina's HC now.

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With Brodin and Gilbert already ahead of him on the depth chart, and with Dumba coming maybe as soon as next year, I'm not sure Spurgeon has much of a future with this team.

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With Brodin and Gilbert already ahead of him on the depth chart, and with Dumba coming maybe as soon as next year, I'm not sure Spurgeon has much of a future with this team.
Thank god. Stoner is next after that, like the fighting ability but has just been terrible this year. Falk intrigues me because of size/speed, would like to see him continue to improve.

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With Brodin and Gilbert already ahead of him on the depth chart, and with Dumba coming maybe as soon as next year, I'm not sure Spurgeon has much of a future with this team.
Brodin can play either side though. He'll likely get knocked down to the second pairing with Gilbert eventually.

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Don't get Russo's comment about Scandella being trade-bait. Trading Scandella won't bring back a Dman with as much upside as Scandella.

When comparing apples to apples, for our larger, defensive Dmen, Scandella is hands down better than Stoner and Falk in all areas of the game other than strength. Because Scandella is still a beanpole. Stoner is six year older and Falk is two years older than Scandella. When Scandella can get healthy and put on some muscle, he will be a massively better player than Falk or Stoner. But that is going to take some time.

Falk is great when he's on. A softer pillon when he's not. Stoner has shown that he's good to have in the mix, but is far from a top-4 Dman.

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I think if we could upgrade from Stoner as a top four defenseman, I'd be okay with moving any of the D below him, including Spurgeon. That's not to say Stoner's terrible, just that he's playing too many minutes.

I've been okay with Falk, Stoner, and even Spurgeon of late. Prosser I still think would be a good guy to move because of his contract and he doesn't add a ton. Falk still has some upside in terms of puck movement and physical play. Spurgeon still has some offense. Stoner still has some experience. Prosser doesn't really bring any of that.

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Don't get Russo's comment about Scandella being trade-bait. Trading Scandella won't bring back a Dman with as much upside as Scandella.

When comparing apples to apples, for our larger, defensive Dmen, Scandella is hands down better than Stoner and Falk in all areas of the game other than strength. Because Scandella is still a beanpole. Stoner is six year older and Falk is two years older than Scandella. When Scandella can get healthy and put on some muscle, he will be a massively better player than Falk or Stoner. But that is going to take some time.

Falk is great when he's on. A softer pillon when he's not. Stoner has shown that he's good to have in the mix, but is far from a top-4 Dman.
Didn't see he was trade bait but I think Falk has just as much upside. He's more willing to use his body, arguably has a better first pass, neither of them have show much offensively, Scandella's probably a bit better skater but Falk has been able to stay healthier and has a size advantage. Scandella might have a little more upside overall but we're talking bottom pairing defensemen.

Depends on the return.

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