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03-08-2013, 09:45 AM
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That's fair. Pro trolling is the quickest growing non-pay job on the internet, so I understand the importance of it.

That being said, I agree with the response. The guy who posted that Pateryn is a "nobody" is a clueless, or rather posted a quite ignorant comment.

Not saying everyone should know everything about our prospects, but no point in denigrating them if you don't know anything about the player.

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03-08-2013, 09:48 AM
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That's fair. Pro trolling is the quickest growing non-pay job on the internet, so I understand the importance of it.

That being said, I agree with the response. The guy who posted that Pateryn is a "nobody" is a clueless, or rather posted a quite ignorant comment.

Not saying everyone should know everything about our prospects, but no point in denigrating them if you don't know anything about the player.
Or maybe you're overstating his definition of ''nobody''.

To him maybe a nobody is likely anyone who has average NHL potential and maybe his use of the word is not meant to be so literal.

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03-08-2013, 09:54 AM
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Or maybe you're overstating his definition of ''nobody''.

To him maybe a nobody is likely anyone who has average NHL potential and maybe his use of the word is not meant to be so literal.
Perhaps, but if that's the case, it's a terrible definition of a "nobody", lol

He was playing top minutes on our farm team, our first call up.

I guess in his mind a nobody is anyone that isn't drafted in the top 2 rounds, but again I would say that is very ignorant.

Gallagher was a 5th (like Pateryn)

Halak and Markov were both insaley late picks....but I am getting away from the point. I find it ignorant to say that we only have 3 prospects worth talking about, and the rest are "nobodies"

Pateryn is quite obviously not a nobody. He's been progressing nicely, and he does have a future with our team.

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03-08-2013, 09:59 AM
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What are the chances that he will play a game in replacement of Kaberle during the week-end?

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What are the chances that he will play a game in replacement of Kaberle during the week-end?
Kaberle will have to play really terribly...so....decent.

I doubt we get to see Pateryn play, but there's a chance. We are sorely lacking a player of his ilk, so Therrien might give him some ice time.

He's 22 as well, so it's not as if he's a 20 year old that would be thrown to the wolves.

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03-08-2013, 10:06 AM
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Perhaps, but if that's the case, it's a terrible definition of a "nobody", lol

He was playing top minutes on our farm team, our first call up.

I guess in his mind a nobody is anyone that isn't drafted in the top 2 rounds, but again I would say that is very ignorant.

Gallagher was a 5th (like Pateryn)

Halak and Markov were both insaley late picks....but I am getting away from the point. I find it ignorant to say that we only have 3 prospects worth talking about, and the rest are "nobodies"

Pateryn is quite obviously not a nobody. He's been progressing nicely, and he does have a future with our team.
Gallagher is a horrible example to prove your point since he quickly developed into a top rank prospect..lolz

Can anyone slot Pateryn as a potential NHL top pairing d-man?

To me he seems like the ''mistake free'' 3rd pairing updside d-man and I haven't even watched him.

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03-08-2013, 10:10 AM
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Gallagher is a horrible example to prove your point since he quickly developed into a top rank prospect..lolz

Can anyone slot Pateryn as a potential NHL top pairing d-man?

To me he seems like the ''mistake free'' 3rd pairing updside d-man and I haven't even watched him.
Not a bad example at all in terms of paying attention to prospects. I was just showing that even a mid pick can develop.

He said he only pays attention to Beaulieu, Tinordi, Leblanc and Gallagher.

Which is fine, but if that's the case, he shouldn't dismiss the rest as nobodies. Anyways, I think we both got our points across.

As for Pateryn, his upside is Gorges territory (perhaps a little worse skater, but much stronger). A conservative projection is 3rd pairing player that can slot into the PK and PP.

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Tough d-man that plays with an edge but doesn't have really some fighting skills. That's the problem in playing in the NCAA....you can't "practice" those skills. Used to play the PP a lot in Michigan, yet despite the hard slapper, will not play that role in the NHL. Is mostly a shutdown d-man that will still have to be more agile to succeed. But guess what...if he does becomes more agile and a little faster, we don't have any shutdown d-man. He's about what we have in that regard with Tinordi in the system. We'll see how Ellis turns out if ever.

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03-08-2013, 10:14 AM
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As for Pateryn, his upside is Gorges territory (perhaps a little worse skater, but much stronger). A conservative projection is 3rd pairing player that can slot into the PK and PP.
So essentially he'll be (most likely) a bottom pairing d-man who makes few errors, like I predicted....And I never read or seen him play.

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03-08-2013, 10:21 AM
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So essentially he'll be (most likely) a bottom pairing d-man who makes few errors, like I predicted....And I never read or seen him play.
Whats wrong with a physical 3rd pairing dman who can clear the front of the net?

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03-08-2013, 10:28 AM
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What are the chances that he will play a game in replacement of Kaberle during the week-end?
I'm not Therrien but if it was up to me, these back to back games I would put in there Dumont and Pateryn, give them a game, use them against Florida on Sunday can't be that bad!

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So essentially he'll be (most likely) a bottom pairing d-man who makes few errors, like I predicted....And I never read or seen him play.
I dunno, do you consider Gorges a bottom pairing d-man?

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03-08-2013, 10:31 AM
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Whats wrong with a physical 3rd pairing dman who can clear the front of the net?
Nothing. I'm just saying that's what I predicted he'd be based on many unspent hours of not reading about him.

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I dunno, do you consider Gorges a bottom pairing d-man?
On a serious contending team, yes.

He can fill in higher but I think his best service would be to play bottom pairing / PK specialist.

Definitely more than a 10-12 minute guy.

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03-08-2013, 11:00 AM
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On a serious contending team, yes.

He can fill in higher but I think his best service would be to play bottom pairing / PK specialist.

Definitely more than a 10-12 minute guy.
So Gorges would be on a bottom pairing in Boston or Chicago...?

I don't think so.

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03-08-2013, 11:01 AM
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On a serious contending team, yes.

He can fill in higher but I think his best service would be to play bottom pairing / PK specialist.

Definitely more than a 10-12 minute guy.
I don't agree.

How many teams do you see out there with 4 defensemen better than Gorges?

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I predict Pateryn plays one Florida game this weekend. He will be a steady, big D who will be unnoticed because he won't make high risk plays, keeping things simple.

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I predict Pateryn plays one Florida game this weekend. He will be a steady, big D who will be unnoticed because he won't make high risk plays, keeping things simple.
I hope they play him and Dumont for that matter. Back to back games, chances are both are going back down after the road trip at least give them a game. IMO all depends what happens tomorrow in Tampa, we win I think both kids play Sunday and give some of the older guy a break

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03-08-2013, 11:55 AM
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#Habs Greg Pateryn only arriving tonight means no full practice with team before weekend doubleheader. I expect he sits, Kaberle plays. #CH

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03-08-2013, 12:14 PM
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Good recall. Tough RH D. If he plays well enough, we may see either Kaberle/Weber traded as they are too similar to be 7/8th D.


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03-08-2013, 12:52 PM
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I'm glad to receive this input because I follow the prospects only casually before I see them in a Hab uniform.

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03-08-2013, 01:03 PM
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Pateryn is the 7th D ?
That may be the only reason that Habs call him before St-Denis. I think St-Denis is much better than Pateryn. Even Beaulieu and Tinordi are better than Pateryn.
Pateryn has been the best defensemen in Hamilton since his return from injury. St-Denis has just returned after being out several weeks so it's clear why they would not call him up.

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Over Beaulieu?! Is he THAT good?
They interviewed Beaulieu the other day in between periods and he really talked up how good Pateryn is playing and what an impact it's had on him since they make up the top pairing. Pateryn has scored some highlight reel goals already this year (in limited games) but in the past he was much more a defensive D.

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Couple questions for those who have watched him:

1)Can he clear the crease?
2)How is his first pass?
3)Can he fight at all?
4)Is his shot more about power or more about accuracy/getting it on net?

Thanks!

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1. Yes
2. Good
3. Not sure since you rarely see a fight in the NCAA as it's an auto suspension if you drop the gloves.
4. He can hammer it but also gets it on net. To be honest over the 4 years I watched him at Michigan, I thought he had untapped offense but it never translated in terms of goals so I got to admit being surprised at how good he's looked in the offensive zone as a rookie that missed much of the season. Not only did he not look rusty but on top of it his offensive game looks like it's taken a major leap forward.

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Maybe he's changed, but it wasn't surprising to see Pateryn take some big runs at guys.
Oh yea, last year at Michigan he dished out many big hits. I think as he gets more experience and gets more comfortable he'll be more physical over the next few years. With his size he can really crunch someone, a good open ice hitter as well (not Emelin good but good enough)

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Seriously guys, give your head a check. Pateryn has been one of our top defensive prospect for 2-3 years. GET A CLUE

I suggest you start going to the prospect thread and the prospect board, you will know alot more. If you don't want to watch whole games(where's the fun if you don't do it?) you can just read some analysis(booooooring.)
Seems way to harsh and I don't agree. There's no need to tell people to get a clue. Pateryn struggled at Michigan in his first 2 years to stay in the lineup every night, his Junior year he showed good improvement (which is expected since he was an upperclassmen) but it wasn't until last season that he really started to show something although even then at least imo there was doubts about how his game would translate as he's not the quickest guy or greatest skater.

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03-08-2013, 02:02 PM
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Not a bad example at all in terms of paying attention to prospects. I was just showing that even a mid pick can develop.

He said he only pays attention to Beaulieu, Tinordi, Leblanc and Gallagher.

Which is fine, but if that's the case, he shouldn't dismiss the rest as nobodies. Anyways, I think we both got our points across.

As for Pateryn, his upside is Gorges territory (perhaps a little worse skater, but much stronger). A conservative projection is 3rd pairing player that can slot into the PK and PP.
I agree that 3rd pairing is a conservative projection,his senior year seen Greg take the bull by the horns and was 1st pairing with Bennett at the end of the year and was outscoring Bennett who normally led the offence.So he does have the ability an improvement in his skating and being paired with a LD with speed,2nd pairing is quite possible.
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Tough d-man that plays with an edge but doesn't have really some fighting skills. That's the problem in playing in the NCAA....you can't "practice" those skills. Used to play the PP a lot in Michigan, yet despite the hard slapper, will not play that role in the NHL. Is mostly a shutdown d-man that will still have to be more agile to succeed. But guess what...if he does becomes more agile and a little faster, we don't have any shutdown d-man. He's about what we have in that regard with Tinordi in the system. We'll see how Ellis turns out if ever.
I was really happy that Pateryn was paired with Tinordi as both have offence in their game,after they get experienced I believe they can become more than just shutdown defencemen.Pateryn has shown that ability with Bennett as a wolverine and Tinordi was also toward the last couple of games at the WJC's for USA.
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So essentially he'll be (most likely) a bottom pairing d-man who makes few errors, like I predicted....And I never read or seen him play.
As I've so eloquently put it above Pateryn & Tinordi could be a very good pairing as they have been in the AHL when Greg's healthy.Give them time like Bergevin has and you will see the talent shine through.

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Well deserved, congrats Pateryn. He's been the Dogs best defenceman since returning from injury.

Hopefully we get to see him play as he could potentially add a different element to our back end.

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03-08-2013, 02:23 PM
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A strong, safe, defensive defenseman?

I can hear Brunet from afar : "C't'un gros bonhomme qui ne te mettra pas dans le Pateryn (pétrin)"

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Yeah I know... it's been a long day.

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