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03-07-2013, 08:53 PM
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Ya I'd prefer Jones or Barkov over any of them to be honest. The Oilers problem is there top 6. Trade one or two of the kids and its solved. Imo
Disagreed. There might be a balance issue in the top6 but that's not why they suck so bad.

The Oilers suck so bad because half the team is useless. If we had a league average bottom 6 and bottom 4, I think the Oilers would be competing for a playoff spot.

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Disagreed. There might be a balance issue in the top6 but that's not why they suck so bad.

The Oilers suck so bad because half the team is useless. If we had a league average bottom 6 and bottom 4, I think the Oilers would be competing for a playoff spot.
So your saying our top 6 isn't scoring because our bottom 6 is bad?

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Something around Yannick Weber for RNH?

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You just wrote something I didn't say. I'm not here to bash you, someone said something about trading our 1st. Then I said I'd rather keep our first, and trade one of the kids. I never said let's trade the kids for a top pick or more youth.
Whatever helps you sleep at night. Like I said, A+ thread. 10/10, really.

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So your saying our top 6 isn't scoring because our bottom 6 is bad?
The top 6 isn't great, largely because it's imbalanced. Too many passers, not enough driving to the net.
Either way, in a few years it should be good with or without balance. There's too much skill there for it not to improve.

There's so many useless depth players. Whitney, Belanger, Smyth, Eager, Potter, Petrell etc... all either do only one thing well / suck at everything else or just plain suck at everything.

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Something around Yannick Weber for RNH?
I think that might work. You should see the Oilers board right now. Expect suicide rates in Edmonton to skyrocket.

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03-07-2013, 09:06 PM
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How does Blake Comeau sound for Eberle?

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03-07-2013, 10:13 PM
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What would your team offer for one of the big 4 forwards?
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03-07-2013, 10:34 PM
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Lol jeez have some patience bud, what do you expect the cup instantly? This is Taylor Hall's and Jordan Eberle's 3rd season, Ryan Nugent-Hopkins' 2nd season, Justin Schultz's and Nail Yakupov's 1st season, and Devan Dubnyk's 1st season as the starting goaltender, they obviously aren't going to excel and be world beaters.

You want change? Start off by getting rid of everyone, and I mean every single person left from the old boys club, management onto scouts, everywhere with Kevin Lowe being the first one to go, then you can start talking.

After you do that, make sure that the following names never play in an Oilers uniform after this season:

Ales Hemsky (via trade for a need, not because he's bad; could fetch a top 4 d-man to play on the 2nd pair)
Ryan Smyth
Eric Belanger
Ben Eager
Mike Brown
Magnus Paajarvi (Because the Oil clearly want to turn him into a 3rd line checker and that's just not what the kid is; trade him for something you'll actually use properly)
Theo Peckham
Corey Potter
Ryan Whitney
Nikolai Khabibulin

Where the Oilers have failed is not the kids playing in the top 6. Hall, Eberle, Nugent-Hopkins, Yakupov, these guys are going to be great players for a long time, and Gagner is finally starting to come around. You've got two real capable defenseman in Justin Schultz and Jeff Petry, with two more who can play 3rd pairing minutes in Smid and Nick Schultz.

This team has failed in the depth rebuild. A rebuild isn't just a rebuild of star players, look at the rebuild of the Penguins from 2005-2009, the year they won the cup, they didn't just have a top 6, they had a solid core of 12 forwards and 6 defenseman, not just plugs filling spots on lines until the kids can mature. Same thing with the Blackhawks, that 3rd line of theirs was outstanding. The Oil need to do a better job of filling spots in the bottom 6 because their's just flat out sucks right now, and they need two more defensema in the top 4, maybe one more if Klefbom pans out but that is right now just potential. No need for an over-reaction to the kids, its the bottom 6 that needs tweaking as well as the defense

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03-07-2013, 11:05 PM
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Disagreed. There might be a balance issue in the top6 but that's not why they suck so bad.

The Oilers suck so bad because half the team is useless. If we had a league average bottom 6 and bottom 4, I think the Oilers would be competing for a playoff spot.
highly unlikely, teams win and die by their top players being their top players not by guys on the 3rd and 4th lines, although a solid 2nd pairing would help but still the 1st pairing is probably the worst in the league right now and that's a huge part of the problem

There are only 4 teams with less GF than the Oilers right now, their core group of forwards is simply too young to carry a team right now.

Their top 2 Dmen are really only 2nd pairing at best right now and goaltending isn't the difference maker either.

Quite simply it's probably 2015 before we see a chance for the playoffs for the Oilers.

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Would Edmonton want Kessel? No? Okay
The last thing Edmonton needs is Kessel. Lupul would be a guy who could help them, but like Hemsky, gotta be able to play

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03-07-2013, 11:49 PM
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This off season when Nashville can trade Weber, make an offer they can't refuse.

Yakupov
Klefbom
1st 2014

For

Weber

Pickup another veteran defenceman on the outs with a team, but has shown to be good player in past and not to old, for cheap e.g. Keith Ballard

2nd

For

Ballard

Try to sign physical UFA with top 6 upside. Maybe overpay a bit but might be worth it to add the versatility to lineup.

Ryan Clowe
Or
Nathan Horton

Forwards

Hall - Hopkins - Eberle
Clowe - Gagner - Hemsky
Hartikainen - Horcoff/Lander - Jones
Eager - Belanger - Brown

Defence

Ballard - Weber
Shultz - Shultz
Smid - Petry

Ballard is not being utilized well in Vancouver but is a puck mover and with a rock like Weber maybe you can bring out what he played like in Phoenix and Florida.

Play Horcoff or buy him out and replace with Lander.

Oh and to add icing to the cake you got your top 10 draft prospect from 2013 to groom for future. Who knows maybe even top 5 and ready to contribute right away. Paajarvi could be traded for a very solid 3rd line solid shutdown guy to bolster the overall defensive play of team, Tambellini can figure that one out I can't do all his god dam work!

Pretty sure Oilers make playoffs with that lineup. If not then Oilers are really screwed!


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Why do Oil fans keep making these threads and then laugh at the offers they get??


yea yea we know the big 5 are valueable. Be patient and let them develop. Oh and sign some d-men in the summer....

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So your saying our top 6 isn't scoring because our bottom 6 is bad?
you know, this kinda of makes sense. If your bottom 6 is no threat at all to score or do any damage at all, teams will load up on the top 6.

Look at the habs, they have a pretty balanced attack so when teams focus on the top 2 lines, Eller, Prust and AGally will burn you.

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Why do Oil fans keep making these threads and then laugh at the offers they get??


yea yea we know the big 5 are valueable. Be patient and let them develop. Oh and sign some d-men in the summer....
It's not that simple in Edmonton. We've watched wth anticipation in the past when managment has gone after big fish like Hossa, and Heatley only to be left feeling out in the cold. We landed Pronger and a year later were right back where we started.

Realisitcally for a team like Edmonton you either need someone who's home grown and wanting to play here (Petry, Smid) or someone who is a professional and plays well every night (N. Schultz). We can get lucky and find someone who wants to build with the core of forwrds like J. Schultz, but those are rare and not typically banging on the door here.

If we go out and overpay for a D we throw our cap situation into severe trouble in the future. The answer isn't as simple as everyone makes it out to be. a trade for a D just coming into hsi own would be the best option but again...not many teams are looking to trade guys like Larsson, Bogosian, OEL etc. Even offering a piece like Yakupov or Eberle only gets you so far in discussion towards those players.

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you know, this kinda of makes sense. If your bottom 6 is no threat at all to score or do any damage at all, teams will load up on the top 6. Look at the habs, they have a pretty balanced attack so when teams focus on the top 2 lines, Eller, Prust and AGally will burn you.
This is one of the biggest changes for the kids this year. Far better quality of competition and not getting the sheltered minutes they did last year. Part of why although they still look dangerous they're not scoring as much. The chances are there but they have to make the decisions quicker than last year and it's been throwing the youngsters off. All part of the learning curve but it's painful to watch.

A bottom 6 that can not only hit but also give an opposing team fits means you don't need all your scoring to come from the top 6 as they'll earn scoring chances on their own.

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This off season when Nashville can trade Weber, make an offer they can't refuse.

Yakupov
Klefbom
1st 2014

For

Weber

Pickup another veteran defenceman on the outs with a team, but has shown to be good player in past and not to old, for cheap e.g. Keith Ballard

2nd

For

Ballard

Try to sign physical UFA with top 6 upside. Maybe overpay a bit but might be worth it to add the versatility to lineup.

Ryan Clowe
Or
Nathan Horton

Forwards

Hall - Hopkins - Eberle
Clowe - Gagner - Hemsky
Hartikainen - Horcoff/Lander - Jones
Eager - Belanger - Brown

Defence

Ballard - Weber
Shultz - Shultz
Smid - Petry

Ballard is not being utilized well in Vancouver but is a puck mover and with a rock like Weber maybe you can bring out what he played like in Phoenix and Florida.

Play Horcoff or buy him out and replace with Lander.

Oh and to add icing to the cake you got your top 10 draft prospect from 2013 to groom for future. Who knows maybe even top 5 and ready to contribute right away. Paajarvi could be traded for a very solid 3rd line solid shutdown guy to bolster the overall defensive play of team, Tambellini can figure that one out I can't do all his god dam work!

Pretty sure Oilers make playoffs with that lineup. If not then Oilers are really screwed!
I like how you try and sneak Ballard in there for a second. Not happening buddy.

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It's not that simple in Edmonton. We've watched wth anticipation in the past when managment has gone after big fish like Hossa, and Heatley only to be left feeling out in the cold. We landed Pronger and a year later were right back where we started.

Realisitcally for a team like Edmonton you either need someone who's home grown and wanting to play here (Petry, Smid) or someone who is a professional and plays well every night (N. Schultz). We can get lucky and find someone who wants to build with the core of forwrds like J. Schultz, but those are rare and not typically banging on the door here.

If we go out and overpay for a D we throw our cap situation into severe trouble in the future. The answer isn't as simple as everyone makes it out to be. a trade for a D just coming into hsi own would be the best option but again...not many teams are looking to trade guys like Larsson, Bogosian, OEL etc. Even offering a piece like Yakupov or Eberle only gets you so far in discussion towards those players.

If the Oil GM has any brains at all, he would send the money truck to Ryan McDonagh`s house in the summer (if he makes it that long as a RFA)

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From a Habs perspective and these are all seperate deals:

to Habs:
Hall


To Oilers:
1st 2013
3rd 2014
Lars Eller


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To Habs:
Eberle


To Oilers:
1st 2013
2nd 2014
Tinordi
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To Habs:
RNH

To Oilers:
1st 2014
Louis Leblanc
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To Habs:
Yakupov


To Oilers:
1st 2013
Gallagher


and thats as far as i would go from a habs perspective.

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From a Habs perspective and these are all seperate deals:

to Habs:
Hall


To Oilers:
1st 2013
3rd 2014
Lars Eller


---------------
To Habs:
Eberle


To Oilers:
1st 2013
2nd 2014
Tinordi
----------------

To Habs:
RNH

To Oilers:
1st 2014
Louis Leblanc
---------------

To Habs:
Yakupov


To Oilers:
1st 2013
Gallagher


and thats as far as i would go from a habs perspective.
To be honest the Yakupov trade would interest me if the pick were in the top 10, but thats very unlikey


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From a Habs perspective and these are all seperate deals:

to Habs:
Hall


To Oilers:
1st 2013
3rd 2014
Lars Eller


---------------
To Habs:
Eberle


To Oilers:
1st 2013
2nd 2014
Tinordi
----------------

To Habs:
RNH

To Oilers:
1st 2014
Louis Leblanc
---------------

To Habs:
Yakupov


To Oilers:
1st 2013
Gallagher


and thats as far as i would go from a habs perspective.
The only trade that is probably even remotely close value wise is the Yakupov for Gallagher trade, simply because Gallagher brings an element to the Oilers that they just don't have in the top 6 and that's a grinding, in your face, physical player who may be small but sure doesn't play like it. The other trades, not even close but that's only because the Habs' pick will not be anywhere near the top 5 or 10 with the way they're playing this season

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This is one of the biggest changes for the kids this year. Far better quality of competition and not getting the sheltered minutes they did last year. Part of why although they still look dangerous they're not scoring as much. The chances are there but they have to make the decisions quicker than last year and it's been throwing the youngsters off. All part of the learning curve but it's painful to watch.

A bottom 6 that can not only hit but also give an opposing team fits means you don't need all your scoring to come from the top 6 as they'll earn scoring chances on their own.
How are they being sheltered this season? IIRC (I don't know how to find the stats to back this assumption up if someone can help me lol), the Hall/Nuge/Eberle line played against the top defenseman last season almost every game they played together?

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