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03-08-2013, 11:15 AM
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Trust me...the Floridian teams won't be complaining. Especially not the ownership groups. They just traded in a season full of home dates with the Jets, Capitals, and Hurricanes....for home dates with Detroit, Ottawa, Toronto, and Boston.

This !
I have season ticks for my Lightning, and I understand making the play offs will be tougher, I welcome the better teams with open arms !

I'm sure ownership does as well,even though our attendance is better than some
of u up north like to believe.

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Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, and the Rangers belong together. Secondly, when they were separated in 94, it was the Pens who were unhappy.

However, I love how people are complaining about this but also saying they can't break up Chicago Detroit? I guess the league will fall apart because they are playing 2 less games a season?
Really the Rangers? If anyone from the NY trio is to be considered a rival I would have to say it's New Jersey. At least they beat the Penguins in the playoffs unlike the Rangers.

You could make a claim for Pittsburgh for being with everyone in the Eastern Conference.
Not the strongest cases but something anyway.

Bos - Ending Neely's & Savard's careers/ jersey color-gate
Buf - location/2001 playoffs
Mon - '98/'10 playoffs/Crosby & Lemieux connection.
Tor - Mid-70's playoffs, '99 playoffs/location
Ott - back-to-back playoff series in '07-'08 and again in '10
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Fla - 1996 playoffs
TB - Crosby vs. Stamkos, 2011 playoffs
Car - ***** in trades in 90's/2009 playoffs/Jordan Staal
Det - location/back-to-back SC finals
Clb - location
Phil - same state/games/series since 2008
NJD - trap/ Lemieux & Jagr vs. Brodeur
NYR - same division/obession with Crosby
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So who is going to replace Detroit as Chicago's opponent the 2 times per year when NBC is forced to throw the western conference a bone? I'll say Los Angeles.
Well if the schedule is home and home, Chicago not only has Detroit twice, but they also have an additional game against Boston, NYR, Pittsburgh, Philly, and Washington. Chicago might end up on NBC more often then they have been.

There's only one reason the Kings managed to break through the Big 7 and actually get a national game on NBC this year. Unless it happens again, I would guess LA won't be on NBC all that often.

Now with Detroit in with the eastern teams, there are so many more potential games for them on NBC. In addition to the next Winter Classic, you might even see Toronto on NBC a few extra times against Detroit. Although Saturday night on CBC, and Sunday afternoon on NBC don't go well together.

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03-08-2013, 11:22 AM
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Have you read those "news articles"? They're all just copies of each other, all saying the same thing. And they have been discussed. If there is some new news and views to be discussed, by all means post it! And let's discuss...
They're more interesting than seeing you post about the 3 conference alignment for the 500th time when we all know there is no chance it will ever happen. By the way, thats ALSO been discussed. I found that article interesting. Not everyone has read every single article out there. I know I haven't, because even if someone posted it, it would've gotten lost in the morass of dream alignments here.

Kronwalls comments are unsurprising, but that doesn't explain why the players in the teams already in the East were on board. Their schedule gets harder, travel wise, and they have the lower odds (something I find meaningless, as EC teams aren't competing with WC teams for spots). Maybe it was a solidarity thing? Like "ok, that sucks that we have more teams in our conference, but it's better for our brethren out west"?

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03-08-2013, 11:25 AM
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Really the Rangers? If anyone from the NY trio is to be considered a rival I would have to say it's New Jersey. At least they beat the Penguins in the playoffs unlike the Rangers.
it's more like Pittsburgh is a big rival for Philly and Philly is a big rival for the Rangers. Think of the trio more as a straight line with Philly in the middle, rather than as a triangle.

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it's more like Pittsburgh is a big rival for Philly and Philly is a big rival for the Rangers. Think of the trio more as a straight line with Philly in the middle, rather than as a triangle.
Oh my god, what news. Since when has that become true. I never knew.

You know, perhaps we all just like reading our own posts.

What's the upside?

Detroit is in the East, so the East gets yet another piece of the media attention. The teams that sell out, now can sellout some more. Toronto, the biggest revenue maker by far, can make (somehow) more revenue with yet another rival in its fold.

Columbus now can hope to build a rivalry with Pittsburgh and Washington (and the rest of the Atlantic) more than it could with Detroit and Chicago and the rest of the old Central).
The Atlantic can still take buses to all of its opponents in case air-travel get shut down.

The Florida teams can now spend a bigger part of their winter in Canada and get a real taste of what winter is like. And the eastern Canadian teams can get away more often from the cold winter blues and get some more sun in Florida. And Yzerman now gets his old team as a rival. Well, unless Quebec City gets a team, and then who knows who gets kicked out of the East.

Oh, and on the Canadian-team front. If there are those who still believe that Bettman doesn't want more Canadian teams, this alignment can help keep that a reality. Well, Columbus and Detroit could both go back to the West, I guess, to make room for Toronto2 and Quebec City. ... Nah, won't happen.

What more... Oh yes, now Minnesota can bring its winning ways to a Central Division group and surely renew its old rivalries in the Playoffs there.

On that note, the same goes for those Southeast teams. Now they'll have better chances of making the Playoffs and forming real rivalries which they couldn't do in the Southeast Division, in which quite frequently only one could make the Playoffs each Season.

Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, New York, Boston, Montreal, New Jersey, Buffalo, etc, can all take joy in having to play each other at least 1 game less in a Season.

More games against more teams with little chance of intensity building between those teams, so that could mean less fighting. And that is a good thing, I guess.


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Kronwalls comments are unsurprising, but that doesn't explain why the players in the teams already in the East were on board. Their schedule gets harder, travel wise, and they have the lower odds (something I find meaningless, as EC teams aren't competing with WC teams for spots). Maybe it was a solidarity thing? Like "ok, that sucks that we have more teams in our conference, but it's better for our brethren out west"?
That probably has something to do with it. Plus Detroit and Columbus aren't west. They exist in the same physical reality as every other ETZ team. They're further west than other teams in the ETZ, but that doesn't make them western teams.

Just like Dallas, Minnesota, and Winnipeg might be further west than most teams, but they're not western cities.

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Oh my god, what news. Since when has that become true. I never knew.
I was responding to a point by someone else who was mistaken on that point. You knew it. The other poster did not. Which is why I wasnt addressing you.

Most of the issues you sarcastically laid out are secondary to the business issues that theyre trying to maneuver around here.

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That probably has something to do with it. Plus Detroit and Columbus aren't west. They exist in the same physical reality as every other ETZ team. They're further west than other teams in the ETZ, but that doesn't make them western teams.

Just like Dallas, Minnesota, and Winnipeg might be further west than most teams, but they're not western cities.
When I said brethren out west, I wasn't referring to DET and CLB. I was referring to the teams who get the conference with fewer teams but has the harder travel schedule.

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Never going to be a great solution but I dunno if this is really it. We'll see how things turnout. Playoffs definitely concern me with how they are proposed.

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I was responding to a point by someone else who was mistaken on that point. You knew it. The other poster did not. Which is why I wasnt addressing you.

Most of the issues you sarcastically laid out are secondary to the business issues that theyre trying to maneuver around here.
wildthing202 has been a member of this board since 2006, so I'm sure he also didn't need you to be pointing out to him about the rivalries in the Atlantic Division. But of course, Carolina has just become a new member of that Division, so you should know better, I suppose.

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wildthing202 has been a member of this board since 2006, so I'm sure he also didn't need you to be pointing out to him about the rivalries in the Atlantic Division. But of course, Carolina has just become a new member of that Division, so you should know better, I suppose.
I really got under your skin, huh? I was making conversation by giving the guy another perspective on the issue than what he laid out. What is it to you anyway?

And, just so you know, I'm a Rangers fan. Lived the first 23 years of my life just outside NYC. Subscribe to GCL and watch every game. Not that it has any bearing on the topic.

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When I said brethren out west, I wasn't referring to DET and CLB. I was referring to the teams who get the conference with fewer teams but has the harder travel schedule.
I hear you. I was just saying that in addition to perhaps giving the members of the PA out west something to cancel out the rather significant travel advantage players in the East have, maybe their PA brothers in Detroit and Columbus were reminding them that they're not western cities. A put yourselves in our shoes type of thing.

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I really got under your skin, huh? I was making conversation by giving the guy another perspective on the issue than what he laid out. What is it to you anyway?
I was commenting to another guy about his comment that there are lots a different news articles out there to discuss. What was that to you?

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I hear you. I was just saying that in addition to perhaps giving the members of the PA out west something to cancel out the rather significant travel advantage players in the East have, maybe their PA brothers in Detroit and Columbus were reminding them that they're not western cities. A put yourselves in our shoes type of thing.
I gotcha now. That makes some sense. I would be interested to hear what the Rangers player rep (Biron) has to say on this.

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Is there actually any wording in the release that describes the playoff bracketing?
Yep

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=659069

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Daly also confirmed that the Stanley Cup Playoffs reportedly will still consist of 16 teams, eight in each conference, but the League is proposing a wild-card system in which the top three teams in each division make the playoffs and the remaining spots are filled by the two teams in each conference with the next most points.

http://starsinsideedge.com/2013/03/0...ars-delighted/
Reaction from Dallas: delight

http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/...ent?source=rss
Colorado

http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/196140291.html
Minnesota

http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/black...-inches-closer
Chicago

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/...alignment.html
Columbus

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/detro...oser_to_m.html
Detroit

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20...303070122/2079
Nashville

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hocke...4e2ce58c0.html
St Louis

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/bosto...hl_realignment
Boston

http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres/...-division.html
Buffalo

http://islanderspointblank.com/islanders/39416/
NY Islanders

http://snyrangersblog.com/division-r...o-realignment/
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013...er=rss&emc=rss
NY Rangers

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/tribu...ference-season
Pittsburgh

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/tbo/b...3/GYP2BRTKgS0/
Tampa Bay

http://feeds.washingtonpost.com/c/34...ls/story01.htm
Washington

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I appreciate the reply, LS, but that doesn't really address the bracketing. It just says "These are the 8 teams that will be in." It doesn't say how they will match up, which is what we are wondering.

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Yep

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=659069




http://starsinsideedge.com/2013/03/0...ars-delighted/
Reaction from Dallas: delight

http://www.denverpost.com/avalanche/...ent?source=rss
Colorado

http://www.startribune.com/sports/blogs/196140291.html
Minnesota

http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/black...-inches-closer
Chicago

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/...alignment.html
Columbus

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/detro...oser_to_m.html
Detroit

http://www.tennessean.com/article/20...303070122/2079
Nashville

http://www.stltoday.com/sports/hocke...4e2ce58c0.html
St Louis

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/bosto...hl_realignment
Boston

http://blogs.buffalonews.com/sabres/...-division.html
Buffalo

http://islanderspointblank.com/islanders/39416/
NY Islanders

http://snyrangersblog.com/division-r...o-realignment/
http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2013...er=rss&emc=rss
NY Rangers

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/tribu...ference-season
Pittsburgh

http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/tbo/b...3/GYP2BRTKgS0/
Tampa Bay

http://feeds.washingtonpost.com/c/34...ls/story01.htm
Washington
That's pretty much it, LadyStanley. Although I seem to remember some article saying that the wildcards would be seeded lowest vs the team with the top-record in the Conference, regardless of Division. IF that's the case, then that's also another issue that some of us have with this new "arrangement". Why should the 1st place team in the Conference possibly have to play a team in the other Division in the 1st Round? And especially in the Western Conference where that could mean PTZ vs CTZ. Quite a negative reward for getting the top-seed in the Conference.

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I appreciate the reply, LS, but that doesn't really address the bracketing. It just says "These are the 8 teams that will be in." It doesn't say how they will match up, which is what we are wondering.
The only real question about how the matchups will work is on the cross-over. So, for example, let's say this is the scenario:

Atlantic
Rangers 109
Pittsburgh 108
Philadelphia 103
New Jersey 102
Washington 92 (38 ROW)


Central
Boston 102 (40 ROW)
Detroit 102 (39 ROW)
Florida 94
Ottawa 92 (35 ROW)

The matchups would be
Rangers vs Washington
Pittsburgh vs Philadelphia

Boston vs New Jersey
Detroit vs Florida

Ottawa would miss.

The only thing we don't know is what would happen if Washington had 91 points. In that scenario, do both Ottawa and New Jersey cross-over? Or if the top 4 in each division match the top 8 in the conference, the divisional matchups stay intact? I hope it's the latter, personally.

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That's pretty much it, LadyStanley. Although I seem to remember some article saying that the wildcards would be seeded lowest vs the team with the top-record in the Conference, regardless of Division. IF that's the case, then that's also another issue that some of us have with this new "arrangement". Why should the 1st place team in the Conference possibly have to play a team in the other Division in the 1st Round? And especially in the Western Conference where that could mean PTZ vs CTZ. Quite a negative reward for getting the top-seed in the Conference.
For all we know, that could be coming from the PA. Maybe the PA wants the top seed to have to play the lowest seed, regardless of travel, if it's split 5/3. Maybe the travel between the CTZ and PTZ isn't as big of a deal for that playoff series, as opposed to an ETZ and PTZ playoff series, which is why Detroit and Columbus have made it such an issue.

Knowing more about what the PA and its members are thinking might give more clarity on the issue. We don't even know what alignment the PA would/did create, we just know they accepted the league's proposal for at least a couple years.

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For all we know, that could be coming from the PA. Maybe the PA wants the top seed to have to play the lowest seed, regardless of travel, if it's split 5/3. Maybe the travel between the CTZ and PTZ isn't as big of a deal for that playoff series, as opposed to an ETZ and PTZ playoff series, which is why Detroit and Columbus have made it such an issue.

Knowing more about what the PA and its members are thinking might give more clarity on the issue. We don't even know what alignment the PA would/did create, we just know they accepted the league's proposal for at least a couple years.
Do you think that acceptance for a "couple of years" could have any effect on how the owners handle this?

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The only real question about how the matchups will work is on the cross-over. So, for example, let's say this is the scenario:

Atlantic
Rangers 109
Pittsburgh 108
Philadelphia 103
New Jersey 102
Washington 92 (38 ROW)


Central
Boston 102 (40 ROW)
Detroit 102 (39 ROW)
Florida 94
Ottawa 92 (35 ROW)

The matchups would be
Rangers vs Washington
Pittsburgh vs Philadelphia

Boston vs New Jersey
Detroit vs Florida

Ottawa would miss.

The only thing we don't know is what would happen if Washington had 91 points. In that scenario, do both Ottawa and New Jersey cross-over? Or if the top 4 in each division match the top 8 in the conference, the divisional matchups stay intact? I hope it's the latter, personally.
Right Tawnos, but you have 2 assumptions in there. First, you have the lowest overall seed (#5 Atlantic) staying in division. I don't know if we know that for sure. Then, you also crossed New Jersey over, which looks good, but look at the points:
Boston wins the division, and for that, they play NJ, with 8 more points than Florida, who plays Detroit? Some reward for winning the division.

That's why there are so many questions.

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If PHX moves to QUE, I think that at first what will happen is that Colorado will move to the Pacific, and QUE will play in the Midwest. Sorry, Nordique fans, but I think that is the reality.
I'm guessing this too. If an ETZ team has to be in the West, it will be the Quebec Coyotes.

I also think the 14-16 split is acceptable to the PA because of the sheer geography and the largess of teams in the East. It was the lack of wildcards in those small 7/8 teams conferences that the PA couldn't accept last time around.

Two things I'd look forward to as this plan moves forward:
1) Fixing the quasi-divisional playoff into something more concrete and "fair" and
2) Revisiting the scheduling matrix for only 2 interdivisional games in the West and either less in the East as well or an increase to 3 or 4 eastern divisions.

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The only real question about how the matchups will work is on the cross-over. So, for example, let's say this is the scenario:

Atlantic
Rangers 109
Pittsburgh 108
Philadelphia 103
New Jersey 102
Washington 92 (38 ROW)


Central
Boston 102 (40 ROW)
Detroit 102 (39 ROW)
Florida 94
Ottawa 92 (35 ROW)

The matchups would be
Rangers vs Washington
Pittsburgh vs Philadelphia

Boston vs New Jersey
Detroit vs Florida

Ottawa would miss.

The only thing we don't know is what would happen if Washington had 91 points. In that scenario, do both Ottawa and New Jersey cross-over? Or if the top 4 in each division match the top 8 in the conference, the divisional matchups stay intact? I hope it's the latter, personally.
Yeah, I hope it is the latter. As MNNumbers wrote, the points would show Detroit receiving a benefit for finishing behind Boston, which seems/is counter-intuitive. That is why I think conference rank should be considered:

Rangers (109) vs. Washington (92)
Pittsburgh (108) vs. Florida (94) CROSS-OVER
Philadelphia (103) vs. New Jersey (102)
Boston (102) vs. Detroit (102)


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I'm home sick today, so here are some snippets of reaction around the league.

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“Delighted. Delighted,” said Stars President Jim Lites
Colorado
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Avalanche vice president Jean Martineau said the team is happy with the new realignment.
Detroit
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“It's awesome,'' Red Wings goaltender Jimmy Howard said. "These West Coast swings, not only do they take a lot out of us but also our fans, having to stay up and watch us late at night.
Nashville
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“It’s only 2,000 more miles per year, and the last seven years we averaged 40,000 miles … so it’s not much of a difference, obviously, but it is still a difference,” Predators forward and NHLPA player rep David Legwand said last week.
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“They obviously looked at it and geographically you have to do something so teams aren’t hindered by travel,” Jackman said. “You get 14 teams in our division, so you might have a better chance of making it, but you still have to be a top-eight team to move onto the playoffs, so it’s going to be tough on both sides.”
NY Rangers
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At ESPNNY, Martin Biron and Brad Richards were asked about realignment and both said that not much changes for the Rangers and that being where the Rangers are, the travel is pretty easy.
Pittsburgh
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“A lot of people didn't want it,” he said. “Not everyone is happy. Not at all.”
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“We needed to come to some resolution,” Adams said. “There needs to be a schedule next year.”
Tampa
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“We have mixed feelings about it,’’ Tampa Bay general manager Steve Yzerman said. “The commissioner has to do what he feels is best for the entire league, and I respect that. ... But I look forward to the challenge of playing against the teams in our division, if it goes through.”

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Originally Posted by MNNumbers View Post
Right Tawnos, but you have 2 assumptions in there. First, you have the lowest overall seed (#5 Atlantic) staying in division. I don't know if we know that for sure. Then, you also crossed New Jersey over, which looks good, but look at the points:
Boston wins the division, and for that, they play NJ, with 8 more points than Florida, who plays Detroit? Some reward for winning the division.

That's why there are so many questions.
I have the lowest overall seed staying in division because the Rangers had more points than the Bruins did. It's pretty clear from the releases that that will be how it works. Detroit plays Florida because they're the 2 and 3 teams in their division. That is also clear that's how it will be.

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