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03-08-2013, 10:13 AM
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If there's one thing the Flames don't need, it's another goalie.

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03-08-2013, 10:29 AM
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I love that Bishop, of all the pieces in that trade coming Calgary's way, is why you pass.

I'm not saying you should take it or not, I just find it hilarious that in a deal when you get a 1st round pick and a guy taken in the first round, it's Bishop that's the dealbreaker.
Not taking anything away from bishop, your right he would be an upgrade over the up and comers in our system. It's just not a need for Calgary when there are other glaring holes that need to be taken care of first. Plus Ramo does have a ton of potential too and is next in line behind kiprusoff. Could very easily be on bishops level.

Calgary just has much more important holes to fill like at center or another young d-man.

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03-08-2013, 10:36 AM
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Yep. I'd do a lot more than that to get a signed Perry.

Michalek, 1st, Puempel/Wiercioch, Da Costa, Bishop - interchangeable parts mind you.

Ottawa's accumulated depth in goal, in prospects and we're ready to make a big move. Let's do it.

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03-08-2013, 10:40 AM
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I think that's a deal that benefits all teams. I like it.

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Of course it only makes sense if Perry tells ANA that he definitely won't be returning. Iginla would cost ANA alot less and minimize the impact of losing Perry. Let's not forget that ANA would also acquire OTT's best NHL-ready D prospect. What team has no use for that?
Well, for starters, a team like Anaheim.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to say Wiercioch wouldn't have value to the Ducks, or that they wouldn't be interested in him at all. For all I know they think very highly of him. The problem is that Anaheim is pretty jammed up on the blue line right now, with 7 defensemen getting ice time, as well as a number of very intriguing defensive prospects headlined by Sami Vatanen and Hampus Lindholm.

I'm not sure if Wiercioch would fit into their long-term plans, and I don't see how Anaheim can afford to move Perry and bring back a prospect who they don't see as a long-term addition.

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03-08-2013, 11:02 AM
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Flames dont need another goalie. I wish teams would stop stapling them to Iginla proposals and then getting offended when we aren't interested.

1st + Puempel is a pretty meh return for Iginla, if that is the asking price someone will beat it.

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03-08-2013, 11:10 AM
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Why not just let one of the best goalies in the NCAA take that spot if we're so concerned? The same goalie that is putting up alot better numbers then Bishop did.

Calgary will have plenty of options for goalies, I don't think trading Iginla and getting a goalie in return or part of the package will be one of those options.
You really think bringing a guy up straight from the NCAA is smart? And, you're judging a goalie as better than another based on STATS from COLLEGE?

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03-08-2013, 11:19 AM
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You really think bringing a guy up straight from the NCAA is smart? And, you're judging a goalie as better than another based on STATS from COLLEGE?
Because I said that he was going to be playing goalie next year for Calgary, right?

Reading comprehension ftw.

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03-08-2013, 11:36 AM
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Thats a lot to give up for 48 games of a player.

This doesn't make sense for any team.

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03-08-2013, 11:41 AM
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You really think bringing a guy up straight from the NCAA is smart? And, you're judging a goalie as better than another based on STATS from COLLEGE?
He is saying long term Gillies could be the solution and in the short term we have Ramo who is the same age as Bishop who is dominating the KHL and could very well be that future starter.

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03-08-2013, 11:59 AM
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Value wise, I think it's all about right.

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03-08-2013, 12:10 PM
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He is saying long term Gillies could be the solution and in the short term we have Ramo who is the same age as Bishop who is dominating the KHL and could very well be that future starter.
Could just be me but I don't see Ramo ever playing in the NHL, didn't he leave North America to play in the KHL because he didn't like it here? Or am I just spewing garbage lol.

He was as solid a prospect as you could find a few years ago though

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03-08-2013, 12:20 PM
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Could just be me but I don't see Ramo ever playing in the NHL, didn't he leave North America to play in the KHL because he didn't like it here? Or am I just spewing garbage lol.

He was as solid a prospect as you could find a few years ago though
He had poor numbers and didn't want to be a backup so he left for playing time but it was Feaster who drafted him and he believes that Ramo will come over when he is done in the KHL.

In Calgary he will most likely be given every chance to take the starting job from Kipper so it is a good chance he comes over.

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03-08-2013, 12:24 PM
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Perry was also drafted by Bryan Murray he may want to go somewhere where he thinks he'll be comfortable.
Murray shortly thereafter also essentially traded him (only to have Lowe's idiocy save him from a disastrous deal). So if being drafted by a guy supposedly matters, shouldn't being traded by him also matter?

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03-08-2013, 12:32 PM
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Murray shortly thereafter also essentially traded him (only to have Lowe's idiocy save him from a disastrous deal). So if being drafted by a guy supposedly matters, shouldn't being traded by him also matter?
Except a trade was never agreed upon?

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03-08-2013, 12:58 PM
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Could just be me but I don't see Ramo ever playing in the NHL, didn't he leave North America to play in the KHL because he didn't like it here? Or am I just spewing garbage lol.

He was as solid a prospect as you could find a few years ago though
Well, as said above the org believes he will be coming over for a shot at replacing Kipper. If he will be any good is the real question...im 50/50 on him right now but I suppose you could say that about just about any unproven NHL goalie.

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03-08-2013, 01:01 PM
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So it's entirely possible that i get destroyed for proposing this but i think it solves all 3 teams problems. Calgary gets their mini-rebuild, Ottawa adds to their top-6 and Anaheim gets something for Perry and they can still compete in the playoffs.

To Ottawa:

Corey Perry

To Anaheim:

Jerome Iginla
Patrick Wiercioch

To Calgary:

1st Round Pick (OTT)
Matt Puempel
Ben Bishop

Assumption above is that Ottawa and Anaheim have conversations with Perry and Iginla and they both re-sign after the trade.
Calgary doesn't need more LW'ers, they have far too many as it is. A goalie that has played a career 11 NHL games?

No thanks.

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03-08-2013, 01:29 PM
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Except a trade was never agreed upon?
Except it was agreed upon ... by Murray. To the extent that the Oilers allowed him to negotiate an extension with Comrie. And to the extent that Murray was openly and publicly pissed afterwards, as he thought it was a done deal. And to the extent that Murray actually had to call Perry after Lowe tanked the deal with his blackmail scheme, to try to smooth things over.

Maybe some posters here are too young to remember the details:
http://oilersnation.com/2011/4/7/hin...rey-perry-deal

If you sell a car on the cheap, but the deal falls through only because the other guy at the last minute screws up his financing, don't come back and tell everyone how you actually value the car at more than the price everyone knows you were willing to sell it for. To quote Murray at the time, "We have a deal in place." That it didn't go through has nothing to do with Murray ... if he'd had his way, Perry would have been gone (along with a 1st) for future Mr. Hilary Duff.

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03-08-2013, 01:45 PM
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So it's entirely possible that i get destroyed for proposing this but i think it solves all 3 teams problems. Calgary gets their mini-rebuild, Ottawa adds to their top-6 and Anaheim gets something for Perry and they can still compete in the playoffs.

To Ottawa:

Corey Perry

To Anaheim:

Jerome Iginla
Patrick Wiercioch

To Calgary:

1st Round Pick (OTT)
Matt Puempel
Ben Bishop

Assumption above is that Ottawa and Anaheim have conversations with Perry and Iginla and they both re-sign after the trade.
That's a brutal return for Iggy. Easy pass. Calgary has no need for another goalie and Puempel is a meh prospect.

Like another poster had already mentioned, there really is no point for the Flames to be in on this 3 way.

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03-08-2013, 02:51 PM
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I like Wiercioch's potential, but would be willing to put another prospect or two in there.

How about replacing Weir with Prince and Claesson

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03-08-2013, 04:36 PM
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Again, lets assume the Sens re-sign Perry. And also neither Bishop nor Wiercioch were 1st Round Picks. A re-signed Perry is worth that package.
If Perry is signed then Ottawa wins easy

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03-08-2013, 05:53 PM
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This doesn't make sense, Ramo will be in Calgary next year as will Kipper, Kipper doesn't want to be traded and therefore can't be, any trades under the assumption kipper is a deadline deal make no sense, he has said in the not to distant past he has no intention of playing anywhere but Calgary and if he doesn't re-sign there, he will be moving his family back to Finland. Either Kipper is the Flames at least short term plan, or he's not playing. Also from what I have actually witnessed out of Ramo in the last month, as far as him playoffs in the KHL, I will take him over Bishop every day.

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03-08-2013, 05:56 PM
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Terrible return.

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03-08-2013, 06:21 PM
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I can't see Iginla not re-signing with CGY but if the team wants to rebuilt, the package they would get in this deal would be as good as it gets. It would even allow them to move Kippy for more assets. It's a no-brainer for CGY if rebuilding is in their plan.
Calgary has no interest in Bishop. He's 26 and is going to be a UFA in one year. He has a whopping total of 31 NHL games played.

Puempel has been sent back to the WHL this year, and he is putting up worse number as an overager. His value is at an all time low.

So it's basically Iginla for:

Late first
A goalie they don't need/want
A failing prospect

How is that as good as it gets? I'd rather try and keep Iginla. A re-signed Iginla, even at half of his peak, is worth far more to the Flames than that package.

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03-09-2013, 02:45 AM
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How about a 27 or 28 year old starter? You going to need one of those in the next few years?
thanks but we will take our chances with karri ramo

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thanks but we will take our chances with karri ramo
So the answer is yes. Thanks for clarifying.

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