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View Poll Results: Should we use an amnesty buyout on Bryz?
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03-08-2013, 05:09 PM
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To me this is pretty clear, we have this off-season and next to buy him out right? Assuming we do not win the cup this year or next (or come close) you buy out Bryz. He has improved greatly since last season but his play doesn't warrant his cap hit. The problem is his numbers suggest he is an average goalie at best this season. I'd rather yell at a low cap hit goalie who posts the same numbers as a high cap hit bryz goalie.
This this this this.

Bryz hasn't been as bad as last year. But its the same story game in and game out. Fans bash Bryz, his supporters respond by saying "it isnt just his fault!".

We are paying this dude big money to solidify the goaltending position and provide some stability. But he hasn't filled that role from day 1.

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Isn't anyone else tired of the goaltending and blaming everything on it. Every year for the past years that i can remember its always goaltending this and that. The Truth is its the team in front of the goalie for the most part. Isn't it obvious at this point look no further than 2010 as a prime example. Other teams have won cups with one hit wonder goalies so to speak. The team isn't consistent at all and no backup goalie isn't helping that situation on our starting goaltender.

Im tired of hearing other teams fans talk about ah philly hasn't had a goalie since Pelle, who gives a crap? So Ray Emery and Cory Crawford are vezina candidates now? Why did we let Emery go if he is so good? Its the team in front of you and thats about it.

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If we can snag Bernier from LA or someone like him, I'm totally in favour of buying him out. He will be 33 in a few months and has 7 freaking more years to his contract. Get Bernier, who is in his 20s, and get a reasonable backup goalie. Let them grow older with the rest of the team which is quite young outside of Kimmo, Briere and Bryz, three guys who are a part of the core right now.

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Isn't anyone else tired of the goaltending and blaming everything on it. Every year for the past years that i can remember its always goaltending this and that. The Truth is its the team in front of the goalie for the most part. Isn't it obvious at this point look no further than 2010 as a prime example. Other teams have won cups with one hit wonder goalies so to speak. The team isn't consistent at all and no backup goalie isn't helping that situation on our starting goaltender.

Im tired of hearing other teams fans talk about ah philly hasn't had a goalie since Pelle, who gives a crap? So Ray Emery and Cory Crawford are vezina candidates now? Why did we let Emery go if he is so good? Its the team in front of you and thats about it.
it's so easy in Philly: "4 goals = bad goalie = lets bring in a different guy"

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The Bryz supporters say the same things every game.

We are paying this dude $6 million a year. He was great early on, no denying that, but for $6 million he should be performing that way for the majority of the year. Not faltering in huge divisional games.

There isn't even the slightest bit of doubt in my mind that he should be amnestied.
it's gonna happen and i love the guy. the term killed him and set him up for disaster from day 1. 9 years for any player let alone a goalie is ridiculous. i'm just worried bout who we can get to win us a cup. that guy is already doomed tho too unless things change.

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I can't really put much of the blame on Bryz for the Penguins game. A lot of those were due to the team in front of him whether it be terrible line changes or not being able to clear our zone. Games like this always happens when we get big leads and just become complacent afterwards. I think fixing the team's mindset is more of a priority before buying out Bryz. It's bad that I feel more comfortable being behind/up by 1 goal than I do with a 2+ goal lead.

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Amnesty/Trade Bryz and Briere

Just messing with the rosters without them plus Pronger on the LTIR, we would have a lot of cap room for a decent UFA class.
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I am for using the amnesty on Bryz but I'd wait til next summer(2014) if they can't find a replacement. I hope to God Homer learned his lesson and never gives a goalie another contract like that. I don't think one goalie in the league could live up to that contract. Nothing against Bryz I actually like him.

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Isn't anyone else tired of the goaltending and blaming everything on it. Every year for the past years that i can remember its always goaltending this and that. The Truth is its the team in front of the goalie for the most part. Isn't it obvious at this point look no further than 2010 as a prime example. Other teams have won cups with one hit wonder goalies so to speak. The team isn't consistent at all and no backup goalie isn't helping that situation on our starting goaltender.

Im tired of hearing other teams fans talk about ah philly hasn't had a goalie since Pelle, who gives a crap? So Ray Emery and Cory Crawford are vezina candidates now? Why did we let Emery go if he is so good? Its the team in front of you and thats about it.
There's a middle ground between overspending for Bryz and the complete cheapness of Boosh/Leighton.

As far as Emery, many believed that his career was over after that hip injury he had. The fact that he's playing at this level is pretty remarkable.

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it's gonna happen and i love the guy. the term killed him and set him up for disaster from day 1. 9 years for any player let alone a goalie is ridiculous. i'm just worried bout who we can get to win us a cup. that guy is already doomed tho too unless things change.
Sorry but he chose to sign the contract and with that signing comes expectation. If he wasn't smart enough to realize that, he has only himself to blame.

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Amnesty/Trade Bryz and Briere

Just messing with the rosters without them plus Pronger on the LTIR, we would have a lot of cap room for a decent UFA class.
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how many buyouts do we get? and pronger's on there? i'm taking this very seriously. don't mess with my fragile mind. its a non playoff year ya know. have some respect.

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Amnesty/Trade Bryz and Briere

Just messing with the rosters we would have a lot of cap room for a decent UFA class.
CAPGEEK.COM USER GENERATED ROSTER
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Ryane Clowe ($5.000m) / Sean Couturier ($1.375m) / Matt Read ($0.900m)
Tye McGinn ($0.775m) / Scott Laughton ($1.138m) / Maxime Talbot ($1.750m)
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Evgeni Nabokov ($2.750m)
Al Montoya ($0.701m)
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Buyout: Oskars Bartulis ($0.100m)
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I wouldn't mind Montoya and Nabokov as stop gaps for the meantime and hope that Stolarz turns into a stud.

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how many buyouts do we get? and pronger's on there?
I think we get 2. I don't know how to put someone on LTIR on Capgeek so I just bought out Pronger.

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Way too much spending on UFA forwards. Clowe @ 5M for our 3rd line? Really? Perry @ 9M for our 2nd line? WHAT?!?

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Way too much spending on UFA forwards. Clowe @ 5M for our 3rd line? Really? Perry @ 9M for our 2nd line? WHAT?!?
Lines aren't set in stone.

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Way too much spending on UFA forwards. Clowe @ 5M for our 3rd line? Really? Perry @ 9M for our 2nd line? WHAT?!?
Whether or not it's a good idea is another discussion, but I'd imagine it's going to take about that much to sign him.

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Sorry but he chose to sign the contract and with that signing comes expectation. If he wasn't smart enough to realize that, he has only himself to blame.
i gotta thnk he thought of that and didn't care. would you? especially when things looked like you were joinin a pretty good remnant of a stanley cup contender basically minus 2 guys but adding jagr and voracek and simmonds and couturier. its the pronger thing that royally **** us in the end. He is an unbelievable hockey player. i knew he was great cause of the hart trophy especially how good of a defenseman you need to be to win a hart but he really turns crap into gold.

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Clowe at 5 million on a long term deal probably isn't a great idea, I was just messing with the UFAs.

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Isn't anyone else tired of the goaltending and blaming everything on it. Every year for the past years that i can remember its always goaltending this and that.
Brian Boucher
Michael Leighton
Sergei Bobrovsky
Ray Emery
Martin Biron
Antero Niittymaki
Robert Esche
Sean Burke
Jeff Hackett
Roman Cechmanek
John Vanbiesbrouck
Garth Snow
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Tommy Soderstrom
Ken Wregget
Pete Peeters
Mark LaForest
Wendell Young
Bob Froese

yep, it's all their fault. we'd have multiple CUPS if it wasn't for them ...

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Sign Jagr for one year, maybe Cousins makes the team?

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Ray Emery
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Robert Esche
Sean Burke
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yep, it's all their fault. we'd have multiple CUPS if it wasn't for them ...
I don't quite think anyone is arguing that, but by all means, continue ranting.

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I get that, but that roster is pure fantasy.

Without knowing where the cap is going for 2014-2015, that roster you posted makes it awfully hard to sign all of our RFAs next year. Gotta figure G is getting a bump to somewhere around 7.5M, Brayden Schenn could be seeing 4.5M or more (and no bonuses this time, so that's a big bump versus his current cap hit), and Couturier is going to get a raise too, potentially a big one if he breaks out next year as many people expect. Then Timonen is gone, so is Mesz, and you've got no money to replace them.

Like I said, pure fantasy.

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“It was a big letdown,” winger Scott Hartnell said. “I don’t know why we stopped playing from the way we were in the first period. We were fast, quick, hitting, getting into the extra-curricular activities after the whistle and we were playing Flyer hockey. Then we just sat back, and when you do that against (Evgeni) Malkin and (Sidney) Crosby, these guys are snipers and make plays."
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/...196237931.html

yep, clearly Bryz's fault & he deserves the outrage seen here after the game.

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Brian Boucher
Michael Leighton
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Robert Esche
Sean Burke
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yep, it's all their fault. we'd have multiple CUPS if it wasn't for them ...
That might actually be the case. That's a pretty terrible list.

And you forgot the man, the myth, the legend...Houle.

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ok, so that's 3 goals not on Bryz.


i'm sorry .. he made A GREAT POKE CHECK [for those who say he never does] and never saw Kennedy:



if you want to blame him for not being able to see him through 1 to 3 players, we will just havta disagree
These pictures do NOT help your case backing Bryz on this goal. When the shot is coming off the stick, both Read and Gervais are not blocking Bryz's vision of the puck whatsoever. In fact, most of Sutter is to Bryz's right, with only his left arm possibly in the way. Our 6 million dollar a year goalie just sucks at tracking the puck so much, he inexplicably moves to the right, out of the way of the puck and into a view of James Neal's ass. There was NO reason to move right there.

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