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03-08-2013, 02:31 PM
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Anisimov will be a group II with arb rights this summer. Dubinsky has a $4.2M cap hit. Those players will make close to or surpass the $7.8M for Nash.

The Rangers also scouted Columbus-Edmonton earlier this week.

Mark Letestu would be a good get. UFA in July.

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Anisimov will be a group II with arb rights this summer. Dubinsky has a $4.2M cap hit. Those players will make close or surpass the $7.8M for Nash.

The Rangers also scouted Columbus-Edmonton earlier this week.

Mark Letestu would be a good get. UFA in July.
Come to think of it, I wouldn't think the Rangers would need to do too much scouting of Dubinsky/Anisimov

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Anything above 7.8 million is almost unprecedented for a winger. That's AO money.
Not so. Look at Parise and Kovalchuk's deals. If you remove the junk years, Parise is $9.4m/yr over 10. Kovalchuk is $9.5m/yr over 9.

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03-08-2013, 02:37 PM
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Junk years are just that, though. Money isn't much of concern for NYR, I'm thinking in terms of what portion of your cap hit you devote to an offensive winger. It occurs to me that I wasn't very clear with my post.

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Junk years are just that, though. Money isn't much of concern for NYR, I'm thinking in terms of what portion of your cap hit you devote to an offensive winger. It occurs to me that I wasn't very clear with my post.
Maybe, but those salaries were the real market values of the players. They would've gotten that kind of money even if the Wild and Devils hadn't been allowed to backdive like it is now. The money is keeping pace with the inflation of the cap. Gaborik signed for $7.5m when the cap was $56.8m. Adjusted for inflation to this year's cap, and that's $8.5m. And this for a player who was worth slightly less on the open market due to his injury history.

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We're almost at parity, *****.

Yea, I had my bachelor party in Montreal about a year and a half ago. Not much of a difference either way.

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Summer of 2014 Malkin is a UFA

just sayin

This has been on my mind for the past 2 seasons. The fact that others are thinking about it too gets my hopes too high.

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Toews and Kane are both group IIIs after 14-15.

$6.3M cap hits.

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The cap will be higher than $64.3M in 15-16. The CBC HNIC deal expires after 13-14. The new TV money will be in 14-15 revenue. It will appear in the 15-16 cap. That's when both Toews and Kane will be group IIIs.

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Malkin becoming a UFA is going to depend entirely on whether or not he continues to be content with sharing the role of "the guy" or if he wants to go somewhere where he would be "the guy" on his own.

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Toews and Kane are both group IIIs after 14-15.

$6.3M cap hits.



https://twitter.com/TimSassone/statu...88520117129217

The cap will be higher than $64.3M in 15-16. The CBC HNIC deal expires after 13-14. The new TV money will be in 14-15 revenue. It will appear in the 15-16 cap. That's when both Toews and Kane will be group IIIs.
There any speculated rate at which the cap's going to rise? Or is it by the contracts that we can tell?

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LA is a handy place to fly in and out of. The Ranger scouts were probably looking at Dallas -- if the Stars fall out of playoff contention, they have a whole list of veterans who could be nice additions.

And re: cap and salary charges -- under the new CA, is it possible for a team to take less of the cap hit back but the entire salary? (That's my understanding) If so, I'd look at some overpriced players on floor teams where the team could keep the cap hit but move the salary. That might play right into Sather's hands and also open up some potential deals.

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NHL revenue is doing much, much better than expected in lockout shortened season. We may end up being surprised at how far and fast the cap moves.

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Anisimov for Boyle, 2nd.

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LA is a handy place to fly in and out of. The Ranger scouts were probably looking at Dallas -- if the Stars fall out of playoff contention, they have a whole list of veterans who could be nice additions.

And re: cap and salary charges -- under the new CA, is it possible for a team to take less of the cap hit back but the entire salary? (That's my understanding) If so, I'd look at some overpriced players on floor teams where the team could keep the cap hit but move the salary. That might play right into Sather's hands and also open up some potential deals.
You mean like... We pay the salary but the other team pays for some of the cap?

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You mean like... We pay the salary but the other team pays for some of the cap?
Yup.

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The salary and cap hit can't fluctuate

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In the context of Player Trades, participating Clubs will be permitted to allocate the AA and related
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Salary Transaction”). Specifically, the Club trading a Player may agree to retain a percentage of the
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of the retained AA and retained Salary and Bonuses must be the same (i.e., the Salary and Bonus
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Malkin becoming a UFA is going to depend entirely on whether or not he continues to be content with sharing the role of "the guy" or if he wants to go somewhere where he would be "the guy" on his own.
dammit.

I had this whole spiel about that very idea.

It's not a far fetched idea.

Wanting to be THE guy as opposed to being the guy behind THE guy

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I can only imagine what kind of salary Malkin would command.

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NHL revenue is doing much, much better than expected in lockout shortened season. We may end up being surprised at how far and fast the cap moves.
I won't be.

The NHL bets against itself time and again.

I can easily see the upper limit get back to 70+ million in the 2015-16 season.

The Lockout was silly

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The salary and cap hit can't fluctuate
Thanks RB...not going to be helpful in inbound then.

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I say trade boyle get what you can i think a 2-3 rounder is possible. and try to get stastny bet stastny miller and Steps i think that is a solid lineup down the middle.

of course the obligatory buyout richards.

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I say trade boyle get what you can i think a 2-3 rounder is possible. and try to get stastny bet stastny miller and Steps i think that is a solid lineup down the middle.

of course the obligatory buyout richards.
The Rangers aren't going to make any major center moves until maybe the off season. Richards will have his shot for, at least, the remainder of this season to get going.

If the Rangers are going to make any moves at this point, its going to be for a 3rd line center, or a rental LW.

It seems to me the D is probably relatively settled, unless some stud becomes available(I doubt it).

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I say trade boyle get what you can i think a 2-3 rounder is possible. and try to get stastny bet stastny miller and Steps i think that is a solid lineup down the middle.

of course the obligatory buyout richards.
I second that notion .
Buyout Beaver Brad . He can stock his closet with pastel polos , fill his soft belly with PEI mussels and Wine and golf on the east end on someone else's dollar . Guy has the stamina of a 41 yr old

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Personally I think when Malkin is available as a Free Agent we will see an unbelievable offer from the KHL for him . I can't see anybody matching it .

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