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03-08-2013, 03:15 PM
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I may be in the minority here, but I would take Semin at 7mm vs Perry at 9mm.
I'm with you. I wanted the Flyers to get Semin in the offseason big time. He's a pretty darn good all-around player, despite what the hfboards groupthink was on him prior to this season.

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I thought they outlawed these deals (Getzlaf)? What was the new CBA rule...nothign more than 6 unless it is the same team or something? I forget.
There doesn't appear to be a clause in the new CBA that supercedes the CBA from 2005, so the maximum contact (cap hit) for any individual player could still be 20% of the salary cap. I'll try to confirm, though.

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I know he is the girliest fighter in NHL history, but Perry is going to get overpaid.
I love Semin (no jokes plz!) But when are we going to improve our defense????? how could we improve our d if we get perry and semin?

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I love Semin (no jokes plz!) But when are we going to improve our defense????? how could we improve our d if we get perry and semin?
I will say, when Semin really tries, he is a very good defensive forward.

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03-08-2013, 03:30 PM
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I will say, when Semin really tries, he is a very good defensive forward.
You can't solve motivation.
You can't solve soft.
And you can't solve stupid.

Therefore, you cannot solve Semin.

Screw Semin. Screw Perry. Sign defensemen. Develop defensemen. Keep our forward core. Don't trade picks unless we're moving up/into the 1st.

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You can't solve motivation.
You can't solve soft.
And you can't solve stupid.

Therefore, you cannot solve Semin.

Screw Semin. Screw Perry. Sign defensemen. Develop defensemen. Keep our forward core. Don't trade picks unless we're moving up/into the 1st.
I'm not saying to get him. I'm saying that how he CAN be. Did you read the post I made at the end of the last page?

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03-08-2013, 03:37 PM
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I love Semin (no jokes plz!) But when are we going to improve our defense????? how could we improve our d if we get perry and semin?
Which defenseman are you going to be signing in UFA?

Since there are none...and saving money doesn't help the hockey club, why not target a top forward.

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I think Perry's the better player but Semin will be the better value this offseason.

I would agree that the Semin bashing is overhyped. If you watched the playoffs last year he was one of Washington's best players. He was hustling and playing both sides of the ice.

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I'm not saying to get him. I'm saying that how he CAN be. Did you read the post I made at the end of the last page?
No, I just popped in at the end of this page. I'll take a look at it though.

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You can't solve motivation.
You can't solve soft.
And you can't solve stupid.

Therefore, you cannot solve Semin.

Screw Semin. Screw Perry. Sign defensemen. Develop defensemen. Keep our forward core. Don't trade picks unless we're moving up/into the 1st.
You are highly exaggerating semins deficiencies. He's a pretty good player.

What UFA d man are you signing?

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You are highly exaggerating semins deficiencies. He's a pretty good player.

What UFA d man are you signing?
Hopefully Streit or Regehr.

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You can't solve motivation.
You can't solve soft.
And you can't solve stupid.

Therefore, you cannot solve Semin.

Screw Semin. Screw Perry. Sign defensemen. Develop defensemen. Keep our forward core. Don't trade picks unless we're moving up/into the 1st.
Haven't watched a single Carolina Hurricanes game all year, have you Chris?

You've been proven 100% wrong about Semin. Hurricanes fans are raving about him like we rave about Voracek and rightfully so. Alexander Semin has been their best player. He's one of the most prolific snipers in the game and he's at a PPG while shooting 7.6%. That speaks volumes about his game IMO. He's also leading the league in +/-, he plays the PK and the PP, dunno what else you want the guy to do.

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03-08-2013, 03:52 PM
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There are no UFA Dmen. That's why they resigned Timonen. I think they might make a play for an RFA Dman, probably Pietrangelo, but it probably won't work. I doubt they'd go after a lower profile guy, but that might have a chance of succeeding if the other team isn't as high on him as the Flyers.

The only way I could see it working with the Blues is since they have 2 guys you could sign to a large deal. Now if they're both RFA's and you sign one to a big deal, the other one is gonna want a similar contract. Will STL be able to do that? Would they want to? So you might be able to swing one of their top Dmen, but I doubt it.

Has anyone not matched an offer sheet?

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Hopefully Streit or Regehr.
Neither of which address issues we currently have.

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There are no UFA Dmen. That's why they resigned Timonen. I think they might make a play for an RFA Dman, probably Pietrangelo, but it probably won't work. I doubt they'd go after a lower profile guy, but that might have a chance of succeeding if the other team isn't as high on him as the Flyers.

The only way I could see it working with the Blues is since they have 2 guys you could sign to a large deal. Now if they're both RFA's and you sign one to a big deal, the other one is gonna want a similar contract. Will STL be able to do that? Would they want to? So you might be able to swing one of their top Dmen, but I doubt it.

Has anyone not matched an offer sheet?
Dustin Penner to edm. ANH took the picks. Thats probably the biggest.

STL will match, unless we drop 12m per year or something crazy.

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03-08-2013, 03:59 PM
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There are no UFA Dmen. That's why they resigned Timonen. I think they might make a play for an RFA Dman, probably Pietrangelo, but it probably won't work. I doubt they'd go after a lower profile guy, but that might have a chance of succeeding if the other team isn't as high on him as the Flyers.

The only way I could see it working with the Blues is since they have 2 guys you could sign to a large deal. Now if they're both RFA's and you sign one to a big deal, the other one is gonna want a similar contract. Will STL be able to do that? Would they want to? So you might be able to swing one of their top Dmen, but I doubt it.

Has anyone not matched an offer sheet?
You're not getting Pietrangelo, you're also not getting OEL, thinking about acquiring one of those two seriously needs to stop.

I mean if you wanted to do something really stupid like giving one of them 10M per year for 2 years, then MAYBE you've got a chance of the other team not matching, but I doubt it. And even if they don't match in that situation, you could still end up giving up 4 1sts for only 2 years of Pietro or OEL. You'd have to be REALLY confident you could lock him up long-term to do that. Shattenkirk is a nice defenseman, but you're not getting him unless you offer the 2 1sts++ level of compensation and I'm not sure he's worth that.

McDonaugh could be a smart option though. Yeah we'd have to overpay a bit and offer him like 6.5M, but it'd be a win-win, either we get a promising young D, or we screw the Rangers over because they'd have to buyout Richards or trade Gaborik to fit McD and sign the rest of their RFAs.

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Haven't watched a single Carolina Hurricanes game all year, have you Chris?

You've been proven 100% wrong about Semin. Hurricanes fans are raving about him like we rave about Voracek and rightfully so. Alexander Semin has been their best player. He's one of the most prolific snipers in the game and he's at a PPG while shooting 7.6%. That speaks volumes about his game IMO. He's also leading the league in +/-, he plays the PK and the PP, dunno what else you want the guy to do.
Apparently a change of scenery was what he needed. I don't blame Shafer for having that opinion of Semin...after watching him for years in DC, there was reason to doubt t he guy.

Makes one wonder what happens if OV goes somewhere else and gets the fire burning again.

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Apparently a change of scenery was what he needed. I don't blame Shafer for having that opinion of Semin...after watching him for years in DC, there was reason to doubt t he guy.

Makes one wonder what happens if OV goes somewhere else and gets the fire burning again.
I didn't "blame" him for his opinion in the past. I thought Chris took it to the extreme in many cases, because Semin has always been a great offensive player and decent all-around player, but some of his play/effort in Washington earned him that bad reputation Chris was going on about.

But to come out and continue saying it after the way he has played in Carolina is wrong and just makes it look like Chris is severely misinformed. Semin in Carolina has been the exact opposite of soft, stupid, etc. He's easily been a top 20 player this year.

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If you have a coach that can keep him in line much like Hunter did when he got to Washington last year, you could end up with a pretty good player.

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If you have a coach that can keep him in line much like Hunter did when he got to Washington last year, you could end up with a pretty good player.
And even if he doesn't hes no worse than Briere. Semin can snipe goals
In his sleep.

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And even if he doesn't hes no worse than Briere. Semin can snipe goals
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He's also not a defensive liability out there like Briere.

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I didn't "blame" him for his opinion in the past. I thought Chris took it to the extreme in many cases, because Semin has always been a great offensive player and decent all-around player, but some of his play/effort in Washington earned him that bad reputation Chris was going on about.

But to come out and continue saying it after the way he has played in Carolina is wrong and just makes it look like Chris is severely misinformed. Semin in Carolina has been the exact opposite of soft, stupid, etc. He's easily been a top 20 player this year.
For reasons I'm sure made sense to me at the time, I thought you had quoted an old post of his.

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Might be smart to kick the tires on Jay Boumeester.

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For reasons I'm sure made sense to me at the time, I thought you had quoted an old post of his.
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Might be smart to kick the tires on Jay Boumeester.
For a career Ahler sure.

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