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Ducks Re-Sign Getzlaf extension [8 Years/$8.25 million AAV, NMC]

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03-08-2013, 08:40 PM
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in 3 of those years they will retire.
Irrelevant as it pertains to Getzlaf.

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Lol this contract wouldve been good for Perry, not a player who only steps it up in contract years. Anaheim wouldve been smarter to give him 10m a year but one year contracts. Thats the only way to stop players from relaxing after cashing in. Nice hometown discount, now he can afford a hair transplant

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Lol this contract wouldve been good for Perry, not a player who only steps it up in contract years. Anaheim wouldve been smarter to give him 10m a year but one year contracts. Thats the only way to stop players from relaxing after cashing in. Nice hometown discount, now he can afford a hair transplant
Getzlaf didn't score 91 points in a contract year.

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Irrelevant as it pertains to Getzlaf.
not when youre talking about being overpaid.....

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Lol this contract wouldve been good for Perry, not a player who only steps it up in contract years. Anaheim wouldve been smarter to give him 10m a year but one year contracts. Thats the only way to stop players from relaxing after cashing in. Nice hometown discount, now he can afford a hair transplant
Who only steps it up in contract years? Uhm... he's had two, and actually the first contract year he signed a contract at the beginning of November.

Oh, and the year after he signed said contract he put up 91 points.

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Getzlaf was a bargin!

His cap hit is just inflated because of new CBA but so will all new signings from now on.

Here is his value compared to other superstars, if they were all signed under new CBA with same salary.
Getzlaf 8 years (8.25m)
Crosby 8 years (13m cap hit)
Ovechkin 8 years (15.5m)
Kovalchuck 8 years (12.5m)
Suter 7 years (14m)
Parise 7 years (14m)
Weber 7 years (15.7m)

Over the next few years Getzlaf makes less money then all of these players. Parise and Suter each make 22m next year.

He costs more to Anaheim then those players for cap space, but he is cheaper then all of them for how much the owners are actually paying him next year. This is the new era, top players will all be 8m+ cap hit, No more diving 100m+ contracts to less then 8m a year cap hit.

Wait till Malkin has to resign, or Giroux/Toews/Kane ect.

Teams will now be alot closer to the 64m cap space, but they will also be paying alot closer to the 64m salary rather then sitting at 40m cap and paying 80m salary.

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not when youre talking about being overpaid.....
Not sure where the problem is. Minnesota basically pays them the same as Getzlaf gets paid, but they get the extra four years to sink the cap hit, and they might not even have to count the contracts against the cap for those years if both of them retire.

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Not sure where the problem is. Minnesota basically pays them the same as Getzlaf gets paid, but they get the extra four years to sink the cap hit, and they might not even have to count the contracts against the cap for those years if both of them retire.
Contracts still count against teams if they retire. Hence why Pronger is on IR and not retiring so his cap doesn't count.

Also wrong, Getzlaf will get 8.5m next year. Suter gets 22m, Parise gets 22m also.

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Under a $64M cap, I think he's overpaid. Thing is, with the Canadian contract coming up and likely expansion, the cap is likely to blow up.

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Contracts still count against teams if they retire. Hence why Pronger is on IR and not retiring so his cap doesn't count.

Also wrong, Getzlaf will get 8.5m next year. Suter gets 22m, Parise gets 22m also.
Was talking about the duration of the contract, not year by year, but yeah, they do get way more. My bad on that front.

And better bet on why Pronger isn't retiring is because he doesn't get paid if he does retire. Still a lot of money left on the table. And his contract continues to count against the cap if he were to retire because it was signed after he turned 35.

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As a Ducks fan, I'm very happy. Slight overpayment, but it needed to happen. Whatever it took to keep him, he needed to be done.

Even more excited to go to the game tonight!

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Getzlaf was a bargin!

His cap hit is just inflated because of new CBA but so will all new signings from now on.

Here is his value compared to other superstars, if they were all signed under new CBA with same salary.
Getzlaf 8 years (8.25m)
Crosby 8 years (13m cap hit)
Ovechkin 8 years (15.5m)
Kovalchuck 8 years (12.5m)
Suter 7 years (14m)
Parise 7 years (14m)
Weber 7 years (15.7m)

Over the next few years Getzlaf makes less money then all of these players. Parise and Suter each make 22m next year.

He costs more to Anaheim then those players for cap space, but he is cheaper then all of them for how much the owners are actually paying him next year. This is the new era, top players will all be 8m+ cap hit, No more diving 100m+ contracts to less then 8m a year cap hit.

Wait till Malkin has to resign, or Giroux/Toews/Kane ect.

Teams will now be alot closer to the 64m cap space, but they will also be paying alot closer to the 64m salary rather then sitting at 40m cap and paying 80m salary.
I get what you're saying, but what the team has to pay for a guy really doesn't matter. It's all about the cap hit. So all of the guys you are mentioning, teams are way better off with those considering the cap hits. You're exactly right though, that this will now be the standard.

Getzlaf just happens to be the first one since the CBA...that's why people are comparing. Nobody will care once they see other contracts over the summer. Even ROR's contract was high according to standards before the CBA.

You can't compare his contract to Crosby's because its simply not comparable. That won't stop the casual poster from doing it though.

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Speaking of which, Malkin's probably looking at $10M minimum.

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Think it was a smart move by Anaheim. Don't mind salary length is a little scary but feel this will look a good deal in a few years.

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Good luck trying to get Perry to sign for any less than 8.5 now.
If they badly need cap space, they could always trade Hiller.

Without Hiller, they have 24 millions left to sign Perry, Koivu, Selanne, Palmieri, Lovejoy and a few depth players.

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I get what you're saying, but what the team has to pay for a guy really doesn't matter. It's all about the cap hit. So all of the guys you are mentioning, teams are way better off with those considering the cap hits. You're exactly right though, that this will now be the standard.

Getzlaf just happens to be the first one since the CBA...that's why people are comparing. Nobody will care once they see other contracts over the summer. Even ROR's contract was high according to standards before the CBA.

You can't compare his contract to Crosby's because its simply not comparable. That won't stop the casual poster from doing it though.
It does matter, every team has 64m cap hit. But smaller market teams couldn't afford to fill it because of back diving contracts and how much the owners have to pay players.

If you have 3 players that take 5m cap your only losing 15m cap space. But you pay each player 15m (45m) that year its expensive. Your going to use less cap space because thats what you can afford.

But now you have 3 players (Perry/Getzlaf/Ryan) who each are 8.5m cap, your now using 25.5m cap space, but also only paying 25.5m to them. You now have 15m more to spend on players before reaching the same amount spent.

Crosby might not be a big deal, but compared to Minnesota. If they get Perry and Getzlaf they are paying more cap hit then them. But fork out less per year compared to Parise/Sutter and can afford more players. So for a team like Anaheim who is 20m under the cap can afford the cap rise while paying less per year so they are taking a cap hit, but paying less then other top players, hence why Getzlaf is cheaper(while on a team with cap space) then other players because he hurts his team less financially.


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If they badly need cap space, they could always trade Hiller.
Ducks are not a cap team and most likely never will be under the current CBA.

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Lol this contract wouldve been good for Perry, not a player who only steps it up in contract years. Anaheim wouldve been smarter to give him 10m a year but one year contracts. Thats the only way to stop players from relaxing after cashing in. Nice hometown discount, now he can afford a hair transplant
Are you for real? Getzlaf's last contract was signed when he had one more year left on his previous one. This was the first year he's ever played for a contract and he's had more PPG seasons than he's had average years.

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It does matter, every team has 64m cap hit. But smaller market teams couldn't afford to fill it because of back diving contracts and how much the owners have to pay players.

If you have 3 players that take 5m cap your only losing 15m cap space. But you pay each player 15m (45m) that year its expensive. Your going to use less cap space because thats what you can afford.

But now you have 3 players (Perry/Getzlaf/Ryan) who each are 8.5m cap, your now using 25.5m cap space, but also only paying 25.5m to them. You now have 15m more to spend on players before reaching the same amount spent.

Crosby might not be a big deal, but compared to Minnesota. If they get Perry and Getzlaf they are paying more cap hit then them. But fork out less per year compared to Parise/Sutter and can afford more players. So for a team like Anaheim who is 20m under the cap can afford the cap rise while paying less per year so they are taking a cap hit, but paying less then other top players, hence why Getzlaf is cheaper(while on a team with cap space) then other players because he hurts his team less financially.
Yeah I understand all that, makes complete sense. I was basically referring to teams that can spend the money and are right up against the cap each year, because that is the situation my team is in. And what has me worried going forward with this cap being this low.

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What's the point in having good players if you're not going to keep them? You think another Getzlaf is going to fall into their hands anytime soon?

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dont really understand why people keep saying he's overpaid. parise and suter just signed 100 million dollar contracts lol.

this sucks for everybody cause he inflates everyone else contracts. i was hoping he would sing or 7.5
Yeah, it's a couple years off, but Kopitar probably sent him a gift basket.

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Yeah I understand all that, makes complete sense. I was basically referring to teams that can spend the money and are right up against the cap each year, because that is the situation my team is in. And what has me worried going forward with this cap being this low.
Exactly, this moves the talent around more. Teams will only be able to keep 2 or 3 elite players, and because of that small market teams wont get faced with teams offering there free agents 100m+ like weber. Should make teams more competitive.

I wouldn't worry to much, with the growth the NHL has experienced I imagine the cap to go up in a year or two.

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As a Ducks fan, I'm very happy. Slight overpayment, but it needed to happen. Whatever it took to keep him, he needed to be done.

Even more excited to go to the game tonight!
Glad you're going to the game tonight. I spent 140 for four seats in 100 bowl just to see Etem. Me and my friends will celebrate the progress of our ducks! Regardless of the contract extension that I am startled about! Lets go ducks!

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