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07-26-2006, 12:02 AM
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Rafalski for Bergeron makes SO much sense, it just has to be done.

Not with rafaski being a UFA next year.

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the perfect team for gomez are the caps, they have the cap space, and they need a first line center, eric fehr and a second round pick would do the trick

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the perfect team for gomez are the caps, they have the cap space, and they need a first line center, eric fehr and a second round pick would do the trick
Not it wouldn't.

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the perfect team for gomez are the caps, they have the cap space, and they need a first line center, eric fehr and a second round pick would do the trick
As a Caps fan, I'd be willing to do that if there was some inclination that Gomez would sign here. If I am McPhee and I talked to his agent and he said no chance, forget that price. A one year rental isn't worth Eric Fehr and a top 5-10 2nd rounder.



Now, if he was willing to talk long term deal, then I might be willing to pony it up.


Heck, If you want to lower the asking price, the Caps might be willing to take on some other dead salary.

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the perfect team for gomez are the caps, they have the cap space, and they need a first line center, eric fehr and a second round pick would do the trick
I doubt it, if thats the best the Devils are going to get, New Jersey will try find an alternative to try and keep him(dealing Rafalski maybe).

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I would think a better Caps/Devils trade would be Mogilny for a mid-late draft pick.

Devils get the straight dump they'd like. The caps get a player who could be very interesting on a line with Ovechkin for dirt cheap.

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I would think a better Caps/Devils trade would be Mogilny for a mid-late draft pick.

Devils get the straight dump they'd like. The caps get a player who could be very interesting on a line with Ovechkin for dirt cheap.
I think it would need to be more like a 1st or 2nd rounder, but that's a much better idea from a NJ perspective, obviously.

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I would think a better Caps/Devils trade would be Mogilny for a mid-late draft pick.

Devils get the straight dump they'd like. The caps get a player who could be very interesting on a line with Ovechkin for dirt cheap.
Yeah we did that last year with freezer and it worked out wonderfully...for NJ.

Once bitten baby!

I'm tired of people looking at the Caps as a dumping ground for other teams nuclear waste contracts...the Caps aren't spending money because the owner has closed his wallet.

*so what's everyone's opinion on the ruling? Was Gomer low balled or was Danny B. over priced?

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*so what's everyone's opinion on the ruling? Was Gomer low balled or was Danny B. over priced?
IMO, what would be fair is:
Briere = 4-4.5
Gomez = 5 - 5.5

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What is the deal with Malakhov? He's retired but he's still on the payroll? Do they actually have to pay him, or is it just a cap hit?

If it's purely a cap hit, Edmonton has a bit of cap space to take a hit, for the right deal that is . Hoping a Rafalski deal is in the works.

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Yeah we did that last year with freezer and it worked out wonderfully...for NJ.

Once bitten baby!

I'm tired of people looking at the Caps as a dumping ground for other teams nuclear waste contracts...the Caps aren't spending money because the owner has closed his wallet.

*so what's everyone's opinion on the ruling? Was Gomer low balled or was Danny B. over priced?
True, but this time we are actually adding a rather high pick on our side. In other words, its like getting your 3rd rounder back (except it would probably be a 1st or 2nd rounder). Or if you like:

To Washington:
Mogilny
Brylin

To NJ:
5th round draft pick

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$5M is good award. The key now is whether Lou thinks he can sign Gomez long term. Remember they can't officially sign anything until January. In the mean time NJ still has a awful lot of work to do. At $46,025,000 they still need a backup, plus Hale, Martin & Gionta are not all going to sign for a combined $2M+. Before any of them can be signed something will have to give.

If Lou thinks he can sign Gomez long term maybe he offs a Marshall, Weimer and either a Rafalski or Madden. The Arbitrator gave Lou a break. Another $500T+ and the look of things and the prospect could have changed dramatically. It still may.

Hey look at it tis way, the Gomez & the NJD cap situation has kept everyone in the metro NY area occupied that we've all forgotten about what's going on over at Survivor Isle, Wang style.

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Yeah we did that last year with freezer and it worked out wonderfully...for NJ.

Once bitten baby!

I'm tired of people looking at the Caps as a dumping ground for other teams nuclear waste contracts...the Caps aren't spending money because the owner has closed his wallet.
One, I wouldn't suggest a 1st or second for Mogilny, a 3rd tops, more likely a 5th.

Two. Mogilny could still find his game in a different environment. He's the type of player who reacts volatiley to environment, so, in the right situation, he's golden. And I think playing alongside Ovechkin could be that situation.

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What is the deal with Malakhov? He's retired but he's still on the payroll? Do they actually have to pay him, or is it just a cap hit?

If it's purely a cap hit, Edmonton has a bit of cap space to take a hit, for the right deal that is . Hoping a Rafalski deal is in the works.
Malakhov is not retired, he is suspended. He is just a cap hit, and can be traded (well, there is nothing in the CBA which says you can't trade suspended players).

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No Thanks. Stoll just waived his arb rights for 2 years, and has made it clear he wants to stay with the Oilers. What kind of message would that send for future players in the same situation? "hmmmm, if I take less money to stay in a city that I love; I'll get traded....COOL! Where do I sign?"
Well the Bruins put a few of their free agent signings from last year on waivers or traded them a few months in to the season. Didn't seem to hurt their chances in signing Chara and Savard this offseason. Different sport but similar situation, Bronson Arroyo signed for less to stay with the Red Sox then was traded before Boston...doubt it will hurt their chances in signing anybody this offseason. I see your point, but I think these guys all realize it's a buisness and in a similar situation if the guy likes Edmonton and the money they are offering, I would think that guy would sign with the Oilers if they were to trade Stoll+ to get Gomez.

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With Washington's trade for Zednik, the likelihood of any trade for a right wing is basically zero. And if there was a sliver of a chance, they'd probably look at Bondra for a third the price of Mogilny.

Neither of Mogilny/Malakhov contracts is a sensible fit to the Caps, from the perspective of anyone save Devils fans, unless he comes wrapped around Gomez.

Rafalski is a player I could see generating some interest from Washington, however. The Caps have need of help at defense and scoring center.

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This just really proves how silly the award for Briere was. I like Briere, alot. But he's not a 5 million a year player. Even on the open market.

Gomez has more career games, better career PPG, and 3 seasons where he has put up more numbers than Briere's career highs. Not to mention two cup rings.

If Briere got 5 million, Gomez should have gotten at least 6. I think this is much more one arbitrator not doing their job/research and one doing it than anything else.

Oh, and Gomez is younger.

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I really think a team might be hard pressed to get a top prospect (which Fehr is) and a top of the round second rounder with no inclination that Gomez would resign.

Demitra is the closest scenario, but if I recall correctly, he is already signed up for a bit (at less money).


Like I said before, If there is an inclination that he would be willing to sign an extension with Washington or anywhere else, his value goes up quite a bit. then you could look at a pretty good package. But before that point, getting 2 premium assets for someone who will basically boil down to a rental is pushing it. Especially when all the leverage isn't with NJ.

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It's easy to say that LL will get rid of the M's as they are put, but who's going to want them?

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It's easy to say that LL will get rid of the M's as they are put, but who's going to want them?
I think if somebody is given the proper motivation to take them they would. But I think it would have to be overpayment for that to happen. I'm thinking Mogilny and a first, second and Malakov with a first and second.

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This just really proves how silly the award for Briere was. I like Briere, alot. But he's not a 5 million a year player. Even on the open market.

Gomez has more career games, better career PPG, and 3 seasons where he has put up more numbers than Briere's career highs. Not to mention two cup rings.

If Briere got 5 million, Gomez should have gotten at least 6. I think this is much more one arbitrator not doing their job/research and one doing it than anything else.

Oh, and Gomez is younger.
Year... Tem GmP Gls Ast Pts +/- PtpG PIM PP PA S A GW T SOG ShPct
Gomez
2001-02 NJD 076 010 038 048 -04 0.63 036 01 13 0 0 01 0 156 0.064
2002-03 NJD 080 013 042 055 017 0.69 048 02 10 0 0 04 1 205 0.063
2003-04 NJD 080 014 056 070 018 0.88 070 03 13 0 0 01 0 189 0.074
2005-06 NJD 082 033 051 084 008 1.02 042 09 24 0 0 05 0 244 0.135
Total.. NJD 318 070 187 257 039 0.81 196 15 60 0 0 11 1 794 0.088
Briere
2001-02 PHO 078 032 028 060 006 0.77 052 12 10 0 0 05 1 149 0.215
2002-03 PNB 082 024 034 058 -20 0.71 062 09 16 0 0 04 1 181 0.133
2003-04 BUF 082 028 037 065 -07 0.79 070 11 16 0 0 03 0 194 0.144
2005-06 BUF 048 025 033 058 003 1.21 048 11 17 0 1 04 0 147 0.170
Total.. All 290 109 132 241 -18 0.83 232 43 59 0 1 16 2 671 0.162

Over the last four years, Gomez & Briere have had a similar amount of points-per-game.

Briere is more of a goal scorer and is a big power-play goal scorer.

Gomez is more of an assist guy.

Goal scorers are more valuable than assist guys IMO.

If only Gomez were able to find the holes as well as Briere, he'd be outscoring Briere over the last 4 years by 20 goals.


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can devils fans get this through there head, you need to get rid of his contract you are close or at the cap, no one is going to give you a first round pick and a good player for a rental

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can devils fans get this through there head, you need to get rid of his contract you are close or at the cap, no one is going to give you a first round pick and a good player for a rental
Can Other Fans Get this through their heads...........If the Devils need to Shave 4.4 Million Dollars (Cap + 10% 48.4 - 4.4 = 44 Cap) you don't do it with your best players unless the Return helps the team.

Trading Rafalski(4.2) solves the Devils problem in one Swoop. Trading Madden and Brylin = a savings of close to 4.5M . Just examples here.

So there are many possibilities without busting up your core of players.

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I suspect that if Gomez is traded, the Devils will get a nice package in return, one remaining RFA year or not. He's a top player.

As mentioned, the only reason to trade him, as opposed to lesser role players, to free up the necessary cap space would be because Gomez carries the most trade value of the movable assets. If teams are not prepared to pony up what Lamoriello considers fair value, then you move to trading other, less critical assets for minimal return.

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I think if somebody is given the proper motivation to take them they would. But I think it would have to be overpayment for that to happen. I'm thinking Mogilny and a first, second and Malakov with a first and second.
How many 1sts and 2nds do the Devils have?

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