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03-08-2013, 09:28 PM
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Rangers/Blues

Blues get:

D Michael Del Zotto
C Brian Boyle


Rangers get:

C David Backes

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03-08-2013, 09:31 PM
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No the Blues are weak at center. Why would we trade our #1 center for a center the NYR fans want to dump.

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No the Blues are weak at center. Why would we trade our #1 center for a center the NYR fans want to dump.
I thought Berglund was your #1 C

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03-08-2013, 09:34 PM
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I like it, but MDZ and Boyle are not worth anything near Backes.

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I thought Berglund was your #1 C
The Blues really have 2 #2 center and no #1 center if you want to be technically and need them both equally as much unless they are returning a real #1 center. Backes is the captain and team leader as well.

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The Blues really have 2 #2 center and no #1 center if you want to be technically and need them both equally as much unless they are returning a real #1 center. Backes is the captain and team leader as well.
I know the latter, but I figured that Berglund would be more valuable to the Blues than Backes.


Want Richards?

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I know the latter, but I figured that Berglund would be more valuable to the Blues than Backes.


Want Richards?
In what world would Berglund be more valuable than Backes?

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In what world would Berglund be more valuable than Backes?
He's cheaper, younger and having a better year, no?

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03-08-2013, 09:41 PM
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Come on, Boyle a 4th-ish line center, MDZ a 3rd/2nd pair offensive D-man who does not provide offense, they just are not worth that much.

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He's cheaper, younger and having a better year, no?
Hagelin's cheaper, younger, and having a better year than Callahan, who's more valuable?

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Blues get:

D Michael Del Zotto
C Brian Boyle


Rangers get:

C David Backes
Would like MDZ on Blues but not for Backes...Maybe a winger like Perron.

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Would like MDZ on Blues but not for Backes...Maybe a winger like Perron.
Done, no give Backes

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03-08-2013, 09:50 PM
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MDZ is a horrible fit for us anyway.

He is not better offensively than Pietrangelo, so it doesn't make sense for them to be partners. Petro needs someone like Jackman to allow him to play free.

MDZ and Shattenkirk together just sounds like a disaster. Both are too small and too similar to work well together.

We just need another Jackman.

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03-08-2013, 09:51 PM
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Come on, Boyle a 4th-ish line center, MDZ a 3rd/2nd pair offensive D-man who does not provide offense, they just are not worth that much.
I disagree on MDZ however he is not worth Backes that is for sure...He is off to a slow start but he does have 8 pts in 20 games and last year he did put up 44 points...So I dont think you can say MDZ does not put up numbers...I expect MDZ to be a 40-50pt Dman...Not a offensive juggernut but defintely a good offensive Dman...I would do something around MDZ+ for Perron.

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I disagree on MDZ however he is not worth Backes that is for sure...He is off to a slow start but he does have 8 pts in 20 games and last year he did put up 44 points...So I dont think you can say MDZ does not put up numbers...I expect MDZ to be a 40-50pt Dman...Not a offensive juggernut but defintely a good offensive Dman...I would do something around MDZ+ for Perron.
Value never higher, or ever gonna be

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Would like MDZ on Blues but not for Backes...Maybe a winger like Perron.
Really not trading Perron right now for MDZ. I just don't think MDZ is the player we need. We need someone who is more defensive.

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MDZ is a horrible fit for us anyway.

He is not better offensively than Pietrangelo, so it doesn't make sense for them to be partners. Petro needs someone like Jackman to allow him to play free.

MDZ and Shattenkirk together just sounds like a disaster. Both are too small and too similar to work well together.

We just need another Jackman.
Is Shattenkirk physical at all?

A misconception people make is that offensive defenseman are 'soft' - which is not the case with MDZ. So, if Shattenkirk is more of a stick-defender, I don't think they would do poorly.

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Is Shattenkirk physical at all?

A misconception people make is that offensive defenseman are 'soft' - which is not the case with MDZ. So, if Shattenkirk is more of a stick-defender, I don't think they would do poorly.
It's not that they aren't physical, it's that they are small. Going against big teams in the playoffs, they will get out muscled, especially against LA, and Chicago would be an issue as well.

Regardless, we needed more of a defensive partner to allow both Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk to be involved offensively. They are both noticeably more effective with Jackman as compared to Redden or Cole.

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03-08-2013, 10:07 PM
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MDZ is not soft. He's not even bad defensively. Rangers just have other defensemen who are better and they could really use another forward with offensive producing skills.

Yet with Staal out, probably not happening.

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MDZ is not soft. He's not even bad defensively. Rangers just have other defensemen who are better and they could really use another forward with offensive producing skills.

Yet with Staal out, probably not happening.
Still a team like LA would roll over a pairing of MDZ and Shattenkirk. Shattenkirk is not soft either but you can only do so much with the size given to you against bigger stronger forwards. The Blues need a big strong defenseman to play with Shattenkirk or Pietrangelo not a small skilled one even if they are not "soft".


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No one is saying MDZ is soft, just want that to be clear.

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Backes for McDonagh seems fair.

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Backes for McDonagh seems fair.
I don't see either team doing it. The Blues simply cannot trade Backes.

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It's not that they aren't physical, it's that they are small. Going against big teams in the playoffs, they will get out muscled, especially against LA, and Chicago would be an issue as well.

Regardless, we needed more of a defensive partner to allow both Pietrangelo and Shattenkirk to be involved offensively. They are both noticeably more effective with Jackman as compared to Redden or Cole.
What you need is Coburn, but I'm not sure what you could give up for him that would make sense.

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