You either have faith that this core will deliver us to Nirvana and have the patience to see the rebuild through... or get out of Dodge and find a better team to support. I hear Chicago is a very good team this season. They'll likely be starting a new winning streak in the next game they play.
It really has nothing what so ever to do with having faith in the core.
It has to do with having faith in the management team that they can surround the core with the necessary pieces to build a winner.
There is NO evidence to support this notion that they have what it takes to accomplish that task.
Anyone know the professional sports team record for getting the #1 pick in consecutive years? The Oilers have to be close to setting the record for futility.
I haven't posted in a long while (and much to begin with), but something has to be done. This organization is a joke, and it really needs to turn around at this point. I never thought they'd actually get worse this season. It's a ****ing embarrassment. Clean out management and be prepared to get rid of a few assets (and for the love of god, dump as many of the deadweight vets as possible - basically firesale anyone you can who isn't Hall, Yakupov, J. Schultz, Gagner, maybe Dubnyk for whatever you can).
I guess it all depends on your perspective. History suggests Katz is very loyal and is largely content with his choice of personnel to run his hockey team. Nothing really suggests otherwise.
That said the fan discontent hasnt been this high since the days right before Mact was fired/quit, even after Katz sent his gasbag mouthpiece a text proclaiming Mact wasnt going anywhere.
What does this mean? I think it means Katz doesnt WANT to do anything, but if pushed hard enough into a corner, he will act if he has to.
It is up to the fans to get pissed off enough to push him into that corner.
its funny I was searching through old posts. Literally years have gone by and we've been talking about the same stuff on here. Management, nepotism, the old boys club, since then MacT and KLowe (the prime complaints back then) have been promoted and 2 outsiders to the organization (Tambo and Kreuger) are on the firing line.
So they will be fired and MacT will GM and maybe they will make Bucky head coach. Nothing changes, we just march in place in Edmonton.
Anyone know the professional sports team record for getting the #1 pick in consecutive years? The Oilers have to be close to setting the record for futility.
If the Oilers pick 1st overall in 2013,it will then be a new record in all-of-sports.
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This. I hate Burke and loved seeing him fail with the TML but he is what is needed. Ruff is the perfect coach too.
This management and coaching staff is as soft as the team they've put on the ice. This needs to be corrected from top down and start by replacing them all.
Life was better as an Oiler fan during the lockout, it's pretty sad. Until there are some changes or significant improvements I'm stepping away.
Something has to be done. I was actually planning on coming on today to start the exact same thread so I think last night was the breaking point for the last of us preaching patience.
These great players that we are acquiring are going to ask for trades soon. We need a new Management team that will completely blow it up. Dubnyk, Schultz, RNH, Eberle and Hall stay. Anyone else including our 1st round pick this year is on the table to shake things up. Yakupov (only if it involves an elite top pairing D, or top 2 center coming back), Petry, MPS, Smid, Hartikainen, Smyth, Eager, Belanger. Do what you ever you have to do to those guys to get different pieces to change this culture.
To all the people saying Brian Burke should be our GM, get your head out of your you know what and come up for some air, it's really affecting your brain! He would destroy this team and set back our franchise another 20 years
Something has to be done. I was actually planning on coming on today to start the exact same thread so I think last night was the breaking point for the last of us preaching patience.
These great players that we are acquiring are going to ask for trades soon. We need a new Management team that will completely blow it up. Dubnyk, Schultz, RNH, Eberle and Hall stay. Anyone else including our 1st round pick this year is on the table to shake things up. Yakupov (only if it involves an elite top pairing D, or top 2 center coming back), Petry, MPS, Smid, Hartikainen, Smyth, Eager, Belanger. Do what you ever you have to do to those guys to get different pieces to change this culture.
I agree, although I hope we can hold onto Smid. I'm starting to wonder if he's gonna leave as a free agent anyway. He seems to be getting pretty upset by the situation we're stuck in annually.
To all the people saying Brian Burke should be our GM, get your head out of your you know what and come up for some air, it's really affecting your brain! He would destroy this team and set back our franchise another 20 years
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOL Unlike the present jokers? Butrke is 10 times the gm that tambo is. At least he has the balls to make moves and big moves to shape a team. There is literally zero chance of burke ever getting hired here but your 'set back the team 20 years' comment is literally hilarious considering Kevin Lowe is in the process of doing just that.
To all the people saying Brian Burke should be our GM, get your head out of your you know what and come up for some air, it's really affecting your brain! He would destroy this team and set back our franchise another 20 years
I don't like the guy, but one thing he's always done is get a good defense and some tough players. That's our biggest weaknesses. If he could get any guys like that without trading all of the kids, it might (MIGHT) not be a bad move.
I doubt he would come over just as GM though. We'd need to purge Lowe and Tambellini and bring him in Lowes position.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOL Unlike the present jokers? Butrke is 10 times the gm that tambo is. At least he has the balls to make moves and big moves to shape a team. There is literally zero chance of burke ever getting hired here but your 'set back the team 20 years' comment is literally hilarious considering Kevin Lowe is in the process of doing just that.
Agreed. There is no more setting back this team. We are already in the basement.
President: MacT (no player personel decisions)
GM: Jim Nill (from an organization that actually knows player development)
Coach: Lindy Ruff (much like Hitchock, I think we'll regret it if we're not the next team to hire him)
Burke's two mistakes with the Leafs: Not firing Ron Wilson till he absolutely had to (he was his best buddy) and the Kessel trade (even then he's a near PPG player since he Leafs got him and a very good tradable asset).
I think Burke would be great for you guys, when he inherited the Leafs Matt Stajan was our first line C, Nik Antropov was our best winger...it was just a terrible team from top to bottom.
It took him a good year to get rid of everything JFJ did. JFJ is one of the best scouts in the league and one of the worst GM's.
I think Burke deserved to be fired because he didn't deliver the results he promised and it really pissed him off. He hates losing and after being in the playoffs 7 straight years when he was GM (Vancouver+Anaheim) he was mad that he couldn't get the Leafs into the playoffs.
Now that he's no longer here the Leafs have the identity he wanted...Carlyle is a coach whereas Ron Wilson was a stat padder...he has 600 wins in the NHL but he still sucks as a coach.
He acquired: Phaneuf, Gardiner, Kessel, Lupul, Bozak (free agent, not a #1C but definitely one of the best #3C's in the league), didn't trade Kadri, got JvR. Overall I'd say he won 95% of his trades.
Bad moves: Komisarek, Connolly (he was overpaid but he was just brought to give more time for Kadri to develop his game and be a two way player), Beauchemin (great deal but he just didn't work out), Armstrong (overpaid but he was brought in to be a Burke type player but all he did was be a soft **** player after he got paid).
I think Burke @ Edmonton would work but I highly doubt he would work for Kevin Lowe..
Edmonton has a lot more talent than the Leafs of 08-09.
I think some of you are hesitant to get Burke because you think he would trade one of the young guys.. He's just not that kind of GM, he's not going to come in and start trading your young stars unless he sees a deal that makes them better.
If the Oilers pick 1st overall in 2013,it will then be a new record in all-of-sports.
Not surprising. On the verge of being the worst franchise in the history of sports. All under Kevin Lowes watch.
The surprising part is that it still wont be enough for Management changes to occur.
Fan boy Katz doesn't have the balls.
Anyone know the professional sports team record for getting the #1 pick in consecutive years? The Oilers have to be close to setting the record for futility.
pittsburgh had the #5, #2, #1, #2 and then #1, but had to win the lottery for one of those #1 picks, so i'm not sure that they are *quite* as bad as we are.... it's pretty close though
pittsburgh had the #5, #2, #1, #2 and then #1, but had to win the lottery for one of those #1 picks, so i'm not sure that they are *quite* as bad as we are.... it's pretty close though
Looks like the Oilers are battling it out with the worst of the worst.
Maybe the bagged avatars should make a come back until this team actually competes for a playoff spot.
On the Coyotes board there is discussion that both coach Tippett and GMDM have their contracts expire this season. It is almost a certainty now the team is moving next season - most speculation seems to point to Seattle. A new owner almost certainly will want to pick their own management team.
Would you want Tippett and/or Maloney in charge of the Oilers?
To all the people saying Brian Burke should be our GM, get your head out of your you know what and come up for some air, it's really affecting your brain! He would destroy this team and set back our franchise another 20 years
As a fan of both the Oilers and Leafs, I would love to know how he set the Leafs back at all. While he did recently sign with the Ducks as a pro scout, I was thinking he may be the type of GM Edmonton needs. He wasn't perfect, but overall he helped rebuild the team in a huge way. In addition to his moves and signings, he brought some important values that he preaches that the Oilers could use (pride, heart, leadership, etc.). When he began with the Leafs, there was hardly any pride among the players or the fans and both sides were used to losing. And while he didn't have a winning record as a GM, losses weren't treated the same when he left as they were when he bagan, plus we could finally see the ship was almost back on course with some depth to the lineup and a decent pool of prospects.
its funny I was searching through old posts. Literally years have gone by and we've been talking about the same stuff on here. Management, nepotism, the old boys club, since then MacT and KLowe (the prime complaints back then) have been promoted and 2 outsiders to the organization (Tambo and Kreuger) are on the firing line.
