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03-09-2013, 01:52 PM
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Takes about 5-10 seconds possession time to score 3 or 4 goals, depends on the type of team you have.

You can keep it the other 59:50, doesn't matter to me if that's my game plan and style.
Bit more complicated than that.

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03-09-2013, 02:28 PM
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I hope Crawford has a nice bounce back game with a .940 save percentage.

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I know, I know it's only 1 game but.... this is what it CAN look like with a lack of grit and poor faceoff ability throughout the lineup.
The Hawks have also given 24 examples of what else it can look like.

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03-09-2013, 03:11 PM
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Bit more complicated than that.
Oh really, please expand on that thought.

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03-09-2013, 03:38 PM
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The Hawks have also given 24 examples of what else it can look like.
And 2 seasons of meh, but who's counting?

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03-09-2013, 03:57 PM
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They say the first cut is the deepest. And, I truly agree with that in this case. I felt quite bummed out last night...Fortunately, it was a Friday night, so I was able to drink my sorrows away. I reminded myself today that that was not the last game of the playoffs. We still have 23 regular season games left, and I can't expect every one of them to come out roses.

Crawford has been lights out every game he's played. He's only human, so a game like last night was to be expected. This was also the first time in the season where the lines were a bit switched up (I thought Bickell should've been left on the 3rd line, with Hayes being brought up for the 2nd).

I still think they will win tomorrow and make us all happy again. I wouldn't be surprised to see Emery in net.

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03-09-2013, 04:32 PM
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And 2 seasons of meh, but who's counting?
Yeah, I blamed those seasons on faceoffs too. We're so simular, in that way.

I want Bolland traded for Konopka, I want Shaw traded for Steckel and I want Kruger off the team and Yanic Perreault out of retirement.

Get it done Bowman.

Faceoffs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..

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03-09-2013, 04:43 PM
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Oh really, please expand on that thought.
Teams play the trap and forecheck to get the puck. To suggest that a team needs ten seconds of possession and your style and tactics to win a game at a semi high level is impractical

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Yeah, I blamed those seasons on faceoffs too. We're so simular, in that way.

I want Bolland traded for Konopka, I want Shaw traded for Steckel and I want Kruger off the team and Yanic Perreault out of retirement.

Get it done Bowman.

Faceoffs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>..
And that's your post game comment? MG would be proud.

I don't recall anyone saying lost faceoffs was the sole reason we lost. It just didn't help, nor did the lack of grit. Add poor board play, spotty goaltending and a rather desperate ops, and that can be and is usually the result. You can deny it by more sarcasm as much as you wish.

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Teams play the trap and forecheck to get the puck. To suggest that a team needs ten seconds of possession and your style and tactics to win a game at a semi high level is impractical

The point is Hawks need to play puck possession hockey and anything that takes away from that is a detriment.

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03-09-2013, 05:01 PM
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A trap or forecheck is not used to just get the puck as you simply suggest. The teams trapping do not want to play a puck possession game similar to the Hawks. They would rather you have the puck and they will force you into a bad read leading to a turnover leading to a scoring chance.

The different styles have as much to do with defense as it does offense. It is a philosophy. The Hawks want to have puck possession, any disruption (lost faceoffs) is a significant thing, as you can see they have a difficult time regaining possession.

A trap team or forecheck does not have that great of a reliance on possessing the puck, like the Hawks. They get a turnover and get a scoring chance, lose the puck? No big deal, they play a puck retrieval game. The Hawks do not.

You thinks it's a coincidence that the powerplay falters as soon as possession is lost?

Would you suggest a team with Kane size players try to emulate the Broad Street Bullies? Why would you think faceoffs (gaining puck possession) is not crucial to a puck possession team and load your roster with players poor at the dot.

It's a chess match out there gents, many ways to get a "W".

(agreed Bobby, was posting simultaneously)

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03-09-2013, 05:23 PM
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You continue to insist I say things I didn't. I'd love you to show me where I simply suggested that the trap or forechecking has one sole purpose. I'll wait.

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The point is Hawks need to play puck possession hockey and anything that takes away from that is a detriment.
Yup. Your post above what I quoted explains why we lost well.

Yet in the gdt the majority of the talk was about faceoffs.

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03-09-2013, 08:15 PM
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And 2 seasons of meh, but who's counting?
It's almost like teams can win games depending on how well they play hockey instead of how much they win faceoffs.

Unless you honestly think the team this season is playing hockey just as well as they were in the past two seasons.

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And that's your post game comment? MG would be proud.

I don't recall anyone saying lost faceoffs was the sole reason we lost. It just didn't help, nor did the lack of grit. Add poor board play, spotty goaltending and a rather desperate ops, and that can be and is usually the result. You can deny it by more sarcasm as much as you wish.
Most of my post-game comments happened post-game, last night.

I also wasn't talking about last nights game, but rather the previous two seasons in response to MM.

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03-09-2013, 08:24 PM
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I feel like someone's about to tell me to get off their lawn. Just one game guys. No need to over analyze anything.

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I feel like someone's about to tell me to get off their lawn. Just one game guys. No need to over analyze anything.
Well played, sir.

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A trap or forecheck is not used to just get the puck as you simply suggest. The teams trapping do not want to play a puck possession game similar to the Hawks. They would rather you have the puck and they will force you into a bad read leading to a turnover leading to a scoring chance.

The different styles have as much to do with defense as it does offense. It is a philosophy. The Hawks want to have puck possession, any disruption (lost faceoffs) is a significant thing, as you can see they have a difficult time regaining possession.

A trap team or forecheck does not have that great of a reliance on possessing the puck, like the Hawks. They get a turnover and get a scoring chance, lose the puck? No big deal, they play a puck retrieval game. The Hawks do not.

You thinks it's a coincidence that the powerplay falters as soon as possession is lost?

Would you suggest a team with Kane size players try to emulate the Broad Street Bullies? Why would you think faceoffs (gaining puck possession) is not crucial to a puck possession team and load your roster with players poor at the dot.

It's a chess match out there gents, many ways to get a "W".

(agreed Bobby, was posting simultaneously)
Is that why the hawks lead the league in takeaways by a significant margin?

Faceoffs are definitely an issue, and not one that can be lightly disregarded. But this team has shown it can generally overcome it as it is so strong in many other areas.

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03-10-2013, 12:57 PM
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1 loss and now it all starts sucking again. faceoffs, FACEOFFS!!!

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03-10-2013, 01:51 PM
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Watched the game on the big screen after I posted the GDT. First goal, couldnt get any better than that. Textbook tic-tac-toe goal. It was all down hill after that. What a debacle. The Hawks were more than due for one but good grief.

I mentioned the altitude. Edzo did too. I have to think that didnt help matters.

Great run. In fact stellar. Might not see it again in my lifetime. Lets see how the boys recover from this stinker.

With only 1 regulation loss, Anaheim is still hanging around which is somewhat hard to believe. They and Vancouver are my greatest worry for the West playoffs.

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Is that why the hawks lead the league in takeaways by a significant margin?

Faceoffs are definitely an issue, and not one that can be lightly disregarded. But this team has shown it can generally overcome it as it is so strong in many other areas.
While the breakdown is not available, I would guarantee, via observation, that the vast majority are in the neutral zone. When the puck is dumped in offensively, they typically have no chance of retrieval. Similarly, many times they still have to chase in their own end after losing possession.

The Hawks are not a good puck retrieval team, by design, don't let the stats mislead anyone.

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