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07-26-2006, 02:23 PM
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habs 1rst draft choice was always pathetic (since early's 80) since 2001 that look good so far

habs choice my pick

1980 wickheneiser savard

1981 mark hunter al mcinnis

1982 alain heroux tomas sandstrom

1983 alfie turcotte jeff beukeboom

1984 shayne corson gary roberts

1985 jose charbonneau joe nieuwendyk

1986 mark pederson teppo numinen

1987 andrew cassels andrew cassels

1988 eric charron tie domi

1989 lindsey vallis adam foote

1990 turner stevenson keith tkachuk

1991 brent bilodeau glen murray

1992 david wilkie grant marshall

1993 saku koivu todd bertuzzi

1994 brad brown rhett warrener

1995 terry ryan jerome iginla..

1996 matt higgins marco sturm

1997 jason ward marian hossa

1998 eric chouinard simon gagne

1999 alexander buturlin jordan leopold

2000 marcel hossa alexander frolov

end of the horror story!

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07-26-2006, 02:25 PM
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Although I agree with all of the above and more......rating drafts 5-10-15 years later is not science its stats & math.

"could'a....... would'a....... should'a

I just hope we don't have a similar thread in 5 years regretting Kosty & Price.

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From CNN Sport illustrated back then:

"The Montreal Canadiens used the 11th pick in today's NHL draft to select center-right wing Jason Ward.

Canadiens general manager Rejean Houle was surprised Ward was available at number 11, considering he was ranked fourth at the end of the season by NHL Central Scouting."
There you go... what would you have done without the benefit of a 'rear-view mirror'? I likely would have done the same thing.

By the way, Iginla's write-up was that of a guy who had talent but hadn't put it together yet and was a good risk but a risk nevertheless.

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07-26-2006, 02:26 PM
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habs 1rst draft choice was always pathetic (since early's 80) since 2001 that look good so far

habs choice my pick

1980 wickheneiser savard

1981 mark hunter al mcinnis

1982 alain heroux tomas sandstrom

1983 alfie turcotte jeff beukeboom

1984 shayne corson gary roberts

1985 jose charbonneau joe nieuwendyk

1986 mark pederson teppo numinen

1987 andrew cassels andrew cassels

1988 eric charron tie domi

1989 lindsey vallis adam foote

1990 turner stevenson keith tkachuk

1991 brent bilodeau glen murray

1992 david wilkie grant marshall

1993 saku koivu todd bertuzzi

1994 brad brown rhett warrener

1995 terry ryan jerome iginla..

1996 matt higgins marco sturm

1997 jason ward marian hossa

1998 eric chouinard simon gagne

1999 alexander buturlin jordan leopold

2000 marcel hossa alexander frolov

end of the horror story!

you can do a fire-side horror story for most teams at one time or another - big deal.

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07-26-2006, 02:29 PM
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It wouldn't be a close 2nd but a far behind second. Patrick Roy! Richer, Corson and Svoboda are all better than every one of the 4 Habs drafted. Adding Gagne doesn't make it any closer.
I know who Roy is thank you. But as far as numbers of guys who actually made it, and made a difference in their own way, this 98 draft would've have been awesome with Gagné in it. As far as who's better, I believe Markov would be superior to Svoboda and Gagné, if picked would be superior to Richer, no???

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07-26-2006, 02:32 PM
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I just hope we don't have a similar thread in 5 years regretting Kosty & Price.
Why wait 5 years???

Didn't we see those kinds of threads already....

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you can do a fire-side horror story for most teams at one time or another - big deal.
are we talking about 2 decade?

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What some seem to forget or not think about is that, in the case of Gagné since I keep hearing about that one, 21 other teams passed on him and as sad as it is for us, Chouinard was ranked higher at that time.

A few "notables" who came out ahead of Gagné

Rico Fata
Manny Malhotra
Michael Rupp
Nikolai Antropov
Jeff Heerema
Michael Henrich
Patrick Desrochers
Mathieu Chouinard
Scott Parker

So yes, Montreal drafted badly for over a decade but looking at some of those draft years, lots of "hit or miss" type of players in there.

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well at the very least, in the last 5 years, every single 1st pick from the habs scouts seem to be sure fire for the NHL.

AK is the only "?"
And Fisher's too young to really make a no brainer

But:

Komisarek, Higgins, Chipchura

two of them are high profile habs players

and Chipchura was a sure bet the day he was picked.

If you look at the last 10 years of drafting, i dont see many (if any) 1st round picks the habs had who are having good careers...

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What some seem to forget or not think about is that, in the case of Gagné since I keep hearing about that one, 21 other teams passed on him and as sad as it is for us, Chouinard was ranked higher at that time.

A few "notables" who came out ahead of Gagné

Rico Fata
Manny Malhotra
Michael Rupp
Nikolai Antropov
Jeff Heerema
Michael Henrich
Patrick Desrochers
Mathieu Chouinard
Scott Parker

So yes, Montreal drafted badly for over a decade but looking at some of those draft years, lots of "hit or miss" type of players in there.


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07-26-2006, 02:48 PM
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I know who Roy is thank you. But as far as numbers of guys who actually made it, and made a difference in their own way, this 98 draft would've have been awesome with Gagné in it. As far as who's better, I believe Markov would be superior to Svoboda and Gagné, if picked would be superior to Richer, no???
There is no comparison. Roy is well perhaps the best goalie to ever play and Montreal would 100% have 2 Stanley Cups less if they did not draft Roy.

Richer scored over 400 goals with two 50 goal seasons. All of Svoboda, Richer and Corson played over 1000 NHL games.

Ribero, Ryder and even Markov will be hard pressed to repeat the success of those 3 players and Gagne well he wasn't drafted by the Habs and even if he was it doesn't make much of a difference.

Richer was traded for Muller. (Muller was traded for Turgeon)
Corson was traded for Damphousse.

So that draft got you:

10+ year of Roy
Kovalenko, Rucinsky and Thibault
6+ years of Richer
3.5 years of Muller
1+ years of Turgeon
6 years of Corson
6.75 years of Damphousse
7.75 years of Svboda

and 2 Cups

But yes the 1997 draft would be close if you drafted Gagne.

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07-26-2006, 02:59 PM
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From CNN Sport illustrated back then:

"The Montreal Canadiens used the 11th pick in today's NHL draft to select center-right wing Jason Ward.

Canadiens general manager Rejean Houle was surprised Ward was available at number 11, considering he was ranked fourth at the end of the season by NHL Central Scouting."
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There you go... what would you have done without the benefit of a 'rear-view mirror'? I likely would have done the same thing.

By the way, Iginla's write-up was that of a guy who had talent but hadn't put it together yet and was a good risk but a risk nevertheless.
You will notice that I didn't comment on the comment... I didn't say that I would have picked better or such.

But let me comment Rejean's comment... I always hate when they say... and he was ranked that # by the central scouting... that makes it sounds like they have nothing else to justify their pick.

So I don't remember what I would have done back then...

One thing I remember... is that I kept saying... but why didn't they draft Savard instead of wickenheiser ! On that one... I was sure. So this one I can brag about without the rear-view mirror.

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habs 1rst draft choice was always pathetic (since early's 80) since 2001 that look good so far

habs choice my pick

1980 wickheneiser savard

1981 mark hunter al mcinnis

1982 alain heroux tomas sandstrom

1983 alfie turcotte jeff beukeboom

1984 shayne corson gary roberts

1985 jose charbonneau joe nieuwendyk

1986 mark pederson teppo numinen

1987 andrew cassels andrew cassels

1988 eric charron tie domi

1989 lindsey vallis adam foote

1990 turner stevenson keith tkachuk

1991 brent bilodeau glen murray

1992 david wilkie grant marshall

1993 saku koivu todd bertuzzi

1994 brad brown rhett warrener

1995 terry ryan jerome iginla..

1996 matt higgins marco sturm

1997 jason ward marian hossa

1998 eric chouinard simon gagne

1999 alexander buturlin jordan leopold

2000 marcel hossa alexander frolov

end of the horror story!

Yes, but drafting with hindsight on your side isn't exactly hard to do, so.....

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It could have been worse.Ward played a few season's.We could have endend up with Daniel Tkaczuk!!!!

But the hole draft was pathetic

Ward

2nd round, 37th Gregor Baumgartner??? who the hell is that
Husselius picked at 47th by Florida

3rd round,65th overall...Ilkka Mikkola
Buffalo takes Afinogenov 69th overall

4th round 91st overall..Daniel Tetrault

5th round...Konstantin Sidulov

6th round.....Jonathan Desroches

7th round.....Ben Guite 172 overall. 5 picks later St-Louis drafts Ladislav Nagy.The guy played in the Q

8th round.......Petr Kubos and Andrei Sidyakin

9th round...Jarl Ygranes

That year for us is really one to forget
Hooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo olly Molly ... that is the Dregs ... THE DREGS

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One thing I remember... is that I kept saying... but why didn't they draft Savard instead of wickenheiser ! On that one... I was sure. So this one I can brag about without the rear-view mirror.
Again hind-sight is great. The Habs were looking for a big 1st line center (hmm where have I heard that before) and the natural choice was Wickenheiser.

Had they picked Savard and he would have crumbled under the "must learn to play defence first" philosophy of the Canadiens as opposed to the free-wheeling he was allowed in Chicago, I wonder would the nay-sayers would be talking about today.

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It could have been worse.Ward played a few season's.We could have endend up with Daniel Tkaczuk!!!!

But the hole draft was pathetic

Ward

2nd round, 37th Gregor Baumgartner??? who the hell is that
Husselius picked at 47th by Florida

3rd round,65th overall...Ilkka Mikkola
Buffalo takes Afinogenov 69th overall

4th round 91st overall..Daniel Tetrault

5th round...Konstantin Sidulov

6th round.....Jonathan Desroches

7th round.....Ben Guite 172 overall. 5 picks later St-Louis drafts Ladislav Nagy.The guy played in the Q

8th round.......Petr Kubos and Andrei Sidyakin

9th round...Jarl Ygranes

That year for us is really one to forget
I'd love to see you draft... im sure you would be alot better

It's not easy as it looks ...

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habs 1rst draft choice was always pathetic (since early's 80) since 2001 that look good so far

habs choice my pick

1980 wickheneiser savard

1981 mark hunter al mcinnis

1982 alain heroux tomas sandstrom

1983 alfie turcotte jeff beukeboom

1984 shayne corson gary roberts

1985 jose charbonneau joe nieuwendyk

1986 mark pederson teppo numinen

1987 andrew cassels andrew cassels

1988 eric charron tie domi

1989 lindsey vallis adam foote

1990 turner stevenson keith tkachuk

1991 brent bilodeau glen murray

1992 david wilkie grant marshall

1993 saku koivu todd bertuzzi

1994 brad brown rhett warrener

1995 terry ryan jerome iginla..

1996 matt higgins marco sturm

1997 jason ward marian hossa

1998 eric chouinard simon gagne

1999 alexander buturlin jordan leopold

2000 marcel hossa alexander frolov

end of the horror story!
In 1980 Paul Coffey was better than Denis. In 1981 Mark Hunter and Chelios were a good haul. Mark Hunter was traded to St Louis where he really took off. Perry Turnbull never did anything.

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I'd love to see you draft... im sure you would be alot better

It's not easy as it looks ...

You know what,I problably would do much better then they did,

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You know what,I problably would do much better then they did,

Looking back, a ******** squirrel could've picked better... then again we'd have everyone complaining how we could pay a squirrel a GM's salary

its a Catch 22!!!

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You know what,I problably would do much better then they did,
What a snotty, presumptious answer.

How old are you? You sound like a teenager who thinks your parents don't know much of anything either.

Enjoy the comfort of the non-pressure of the critic who's not having to DO THE JOB but can stand on the side and throw stones.

I was around for all of those drafts. Again, the only draft pick which was questionable, at the time, was the José Charbonneau pick in 1985. ALL of the other ones were reasonable and defensible picks... even (and especially) Brent Bilodeau.

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You know what,I problably would do much better then they did,
That has to be one of the dumbest posts in hf history... Who the heck do you think you are??

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You know what,I problably would do much better then they did,
Are you the habfans.com habs4life poster?

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Again hind-sight is great. The Habs were looking for a big 1st line center (hmm where have I heard that before) and the natural choice was Wickenheiser.

Had they picked Savard and he would have crumbled under the "must learn to play defence first" philosophy of the Canadiens as opposed to the free-wheeling he was allowed in Chicago, I wonder would the nay-sayers would be talking about today.
Again, you didn't read right...

I made that comment before they played in the NHL.

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You know what,I problably would do much better then they did,
Yeah... problably, problably.

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You know, had they picked me instead of 3/4 of those guys, at least, AT THE VERY LEAST, I would have showed up to camp. And I was eligible after my best year in the Q...8 points. In 53 games. But I would have cared 100000 more than Jarl-Fn-Espen Ygranes.

What I hate is the picking of players who never even BOTHER to show up.

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