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03-09-2013, 08:30 PM
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Valeri Nichuskin has 5 goals and 6 points in 9 KHL playoff games. He does need to learn how to use his teammates better but his goal scoring prowess is off the charts.

At this point I'm prepared to move him into the top elite players with Jones, MacKinnon, Barkov and Drouin. With that said, I'll post my top 25 in the tiers I see at this point.

1) Jones
2) Drouin
3) MacKinnon
4) Barkov
5) Nichushkin

6) Monahan
7) Lindholm

8) Nurse
9) Shinkaruk

10) Pulock
11) Domi
12) Ristolainen
13) Wennberg

14) Morrisey
15) Zadorov
16) Lazar
17) Horvat
18) Erne
19) Gauthier
20) Mantha
21) Mueller
22) Zykov
23) Hagg
24) Petan
25) Hartman


I believe there are 5 players that deserve to be mentioned as elite prospects in this draft. They display unbelievable talent and all have potential to be franchise players in my mind.

The 2nd tier is only 2 players. Potential top liners. Both centers and both all around hard working guys.

3rd tier is again only two players. Shinkaruk I still think has high offensive potential but the rest of his game is lacking. Sort of like a Kessel. Similar underrated playmaking IMO. Nurse is in this tier because of his potential to be an all around punishing top line dman.

4th tier is Domi, Pulock, Ristolainen, Wennberg. I see second line players likely, but there is potential to rise. Domi in particular has some of the best puck skills in this draft. Pulock hasn't shown me enough tbh but I can't deny his offensive potential. He's in danger of slipping out of the top 13 though.


And then the 5th tier is a complete mix of players. So hard to figure out who goes where after about the top 12 or 13 players IMO. Anyone in that 5th tier could go as high as 14 or as low as 35. Not really a strike against those players but rather an indication of the depth between 14 and about 40 (to me anyways).
To me it's Jones.

Separate to:

Nichushkin
Drouin
Mackinnon

and the rest.

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Adam Erne is someone who has grown on me. The guy won't be in the minors long before he makes a jump to the NHL. I've noticed he's a good skater and has the nose for the net. Can develop into a PF type player with goal scoring ability.

I won't mind him at all as he's currently ranked at the area we'll probably be picking in.

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EDM just makes me wanna puke. But the way they are going it might be them that gets Jones at the draft.
I hope not.. Hall, Yakupov, Eberle, RNH, Schultz and Jones. Wouldn't want to be a team in the West.

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Adam Erne is someone who has grown on me. The guy won't be in the minors long before he makes a jump to the NHL. I've noticed he's a good skater and has the nose for the net. Can develop into a PF type player with goal scoring ability.

I won't mind him at all as he's currently ranked at the area we'll probably be picking in.
Always liked this kid. Excellent prospect to slot in with a great playmaker like Kadri in the future. Great skating and a hell of a shot. Loves to be around the net, and LOVES the gym.

He has scoring potential as a PF at the NHL level. I'm very torn between Erne, Gauthier, and Mantha. Really digging what the Q is serving up this year.

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03-09-2013, 10:36 PM
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Adam Erne is someone who has grown on me. The guy won't be in the minors long before he makes a jump to the NHL. I've noticed he's a good skater and has the nose for the net. Can develop into a PF type player with goal scoring ability.

I won't mind him at all as he's currently ranked at the area we'll probably be picking in.
maybe buffalo, reunite him with grigorenko, his production sure has dropped without him.

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I hope not.. Hall, Yakupov, Eberle, RNH, Schultz and Jones. Wouldn't want to be a team in the West.
As long as Tambellini keeps employing his office and bench with nincompoops like Kreuger, they'll be at the bottom

Now if Katz was smart, he'd fire Tambellini and hire Burke .. Give Burke a ridiculously talented core to built his style of hockey team around, make some sneaky trades, and make the team a contender for a decade

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As long as Tambellini keeps employing his office and bench with nincompoops like Kreuger, they'll be at the bottom

Now if Katz was smart, he'd fire Tambellini and hire Burke .. Give Burke a ridiculously talented core to built his style of hockey team around, make some sneaky trades, and make the team a contender for a decade
OMG
We saw what Burke got with the scrubs he was left with here. With that box of assets....

I hope he would trade RNH to his Buddy in Toronto and fill all the teams holes.

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Adam Erne is someone who has grown on me. The guy won't be in the minors long before he makes a jump to the NHL. I've noticed he's a good skater and has the nose for the net. Can develop into a PF type player with goal scoring ability.

I won't mind him at all as he's currently ranked at the area we'll probably be picking in.
Really like him from the little I've seen also, reminds me of a Rick Nash lite, just would be scared of his drop off in production after Grigs left. If we're around the 15 spot he'd be who I'd be going after for sure, followed by Domi.

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03-10-2013, 12:56 AM
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Really like him from the little I've seen also, reminds me of a Rick Nash lite, just would be scared of his drop off in production after Grigs left. If we're around the 15 spot he'd be who I'd be going after for sure, followed by Domi.
People need to recall that Erne and Duclair were called out for their lack of desire to play a team game, and only playing one way. Erne has made a point of playing both ways since (says my uncle in QC), and has made strides in playing a 200ft game. He has the offensive ability, and he's got the skating. His biggest knock was his lack of attention to the defensive responsibilities. He admitted so himself.

A player is more than his scoreline. We need wingers who can finish. And he can do that. It's a bonus to be dynamic offensively, but what does it hurt to have a solid finisher who can skate, next to a guy who creates space, and beautiful plays, like Kadri?

I think he's a GREAT fit next to 43, and he's the type of forward we need in our top 6. He hits, skates hard, loves to shoot, and is extremely competative. He also takes to the gym with passion. He already has good core strength, and as he grows and matures, will develop into a PF at the next level.

I recall the gushing over Nichushkin's bronze medal winner, and the idea that there were few forwards who could replicate it. Well, have a look at this:

In the 3rd period of a game 7, when a player needs to make a difference:

http://youtu.be/TPjUyTYFNUA

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I think he's a GREAT fit next to 43, and he's the type of forward we need in our top 6. He hits, skates hard, loves to shoot, and is extremely competative. He also takes to the gym with passion. He already has good core strength, and as he grows and matures, will develop into a PF at the next level.
Agreed. Also it's not unusual for a goal scorer to need a setup man, in fact it's quite common. That's what Kadri would be for Erne going forward anyway.

Erne Kadri Frattin

That line would be tough to play against. It has grit, creativity from Kadri, and Frats and Erne have wicked releases and win tons of battles given their strength and speed. Unfortunately I don't see Erne making it to 25.

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Agreed. Also it's not unusual for a goal scorer to need a setup man, in fact it's quite common. That's what Kadri would be for Erne going forward anyway.

Erne Kadri Frattin

That line would be tough to play against. It has grit, creativity from Kadri, and Frats and Erne have wicked releases and win tons of battles given their strength and speed. Unfortunately I don't see Erne making it to 25.
Not yet convinced we pick at 25 yet, lol.

That's where you get a prospect like Burakowski if he slides, or Petan for his sheer potential offensively (I think he can be a weapon).


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Draft position based on points per game and Regulation Wins and Overtime Wins.

Draft Pos.StandingsTeamDivGamesWinsLossesOTPointsP. Per GameROW
130FloridaSE257126200.8006
229BuffaloNE259133210.8406
328Tampa BaySE2510141210.84010
427EdmontonNW248115210.8756
525ColumbusCEN259124220.8807
622PhiladelphiaATL2611141230.88511
726WashingtonSE2310121210.91310
824ColoradoNW239104220.9578
923CalgaryNW239104220.9579
1021NY IslandersATL2511113251.0009
1119NashvilleCEN251096261.0408
1220WinnipegSE2412111251.04212
1315PhoenixPAC2512103271.0809
1414New JerseyATL251195271.08010
1518DallasPAC2412102261.08311
1612DetroitCEN251294281.12010
1717MinnesotaNW231292261.1309
1816NY RangersATL231292261.13010
1911St. LouisCEN241392281.16711
2013San JosePAC231175271.1747
216TorontoNE2615101311.19215
227OttawaNE251384301.20010
238CarolinaSE241491291.20814
2410VancouverNW231166281.2179
259Los AngelesPAC231382281.21712
265PittsburghATL251780341.36015
273MontréalNE251654361.44015
284BostonNE221633351.59114
292AnaheimPAC231733371.60913
301ChicagoCEN252113451.80018

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Going to see Spits/Knights today. Keeping a close eye on the obvious players.

I expect a chippy game, despite Windsor's poor finish to the year. Hope to see a team that hasn't completely quit.

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What are the knocks on Rychel's game? He is producing huge numbers and from what I've heard likes to mix it up and is aggressive. Why is he rated in the 20's?

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People need to recall that Erne and Duclair were called out for their lack of desire to play a team game, and only playing one way. Erne has made a point of playing both ways since (says my uncle in QC), and has made strides in playing a 200ft game. He has the offensive ability, and he's got the skating. His biggest knock was his lack of attention to the defensive responsibilities. He admitted so himself.

A player is more than his scoreline. We need wingers who can finish. And he can do that. It's a bonus to be dynamic offensively, but what does it hurt to have a solid finisher who can skate, next to a guy who creates space, and beautiful plays, like Kadri?

I think he's a GREAT fit next to 43, and he's the type of forward we need in our top 6. He hits, skates hard, loves to shoot, and is extremely competative. He also takes to the gym with passion. He already has good core strength, and as he grows and matures, will develop into a PF at the next level.

I recall the gushing over Nichushkin's bronze medal winner, and the idea that there were few forwards who could replicate it. Well, have a look at this:

In the 3rd period of a game 7, when a player needs to make a difference:

http://youtu.be/TPjUyTYFNUA
Would be a fine pick in the late teens, but I just get a lot of bust vibe from the trio of Erne, Mantha, Gauthier. They definitely all come with question marks.

If given the choice between one of those 3 players and a defenceman like Josh Morrissey or Robert Hagg, who would you pick?

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What are the knocks on Rychel's game? He is producing huge numbers and from what I've heard likes to mix it up and is aggressive. Why is he rated in the 20's?
Extremely poor skater, lacks high-end offensive puck skills, not overly physical. His dad owns the Spits so he's been given tons of opportunity to succeed. He's a good player, but strikes me as one of the highest bust candidates in the draft.

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What are the knocks on Rychel's game? He is producing huge numbers and from what I've heard likes to mix it up and is aggressive. Why is he rated in the 20's?
Here's what an OHL scout I follow says about him.

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My draft notes are all over the map when it comes to Kerby Rychel and his play has reflected that. His play has been sporadic all season long but when he is on his game he can become one of the most dominant players in the Ontario Hockey League. The return of Khokhlachev has sparked a late-season surge in Rychel (as expected) but determining whether he should be applauded or knocked for that, remains a big question. Rychel owns great size, a wicked release and the puck tends to follow him around which are all great qualities for a sniping winger. However, Rychel has shown lapses in compete level and often becomes disinterested when times get tough – those are concerning qualities in a prospect. Rychel is at his best when he is engaging himself physically and penetrating into the scoring areas, both areas he has improved in with Koko’s return. There is some risk in drafting Kerby Rychel but he does project to become a complementary top-six scoring winger (maybe Boston will look at him with Koko).
Check out the rest of the article. Pretty good views on some of the other players like Horvat and Domi.

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I hope someone else is here watching this. Zadorov skates like a baby giraffe. He's been beat wide 2-3 times, and turning the puck over.

Domi's temper land him in the box.

Rychel looking good. Skating hard, mixing it up, and a net presence. Assist for Rychel as well.


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Extremely poor skater, lacks high-end offensive puck skills, not overly physical. His dad owns the Spits so he's been given tons of opportunity to succeed. He's a good player, but strikes me as one of the highest bust candidates in the draft.
His skating isn't as bad as you're making it out to be. He's plenty quick, and serviceable speed, just an awkward stride, really. Has all the tools to be a PF with good scoring potential. Needs to compete for 60 minutes a night, though.

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Somewhat old but an interesting read.

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Nurse was easily the top defenceman at this camp. Full disclosure, I’ve been a huge proponent of Darnell Nurse, dating back to his days with the Don Mills Flyers. I’ve loved the player that he was, but more importantly, I loved the player that he one day could be. Well, the 12 month progression has been quite impressive, and he is starting really deliver on that promise. Right away there seem to be an attitude change. Where in the past he would be passive in his own zone, he is now more willing to play an aggressive, physical game. He was punishing down low and along the boards, and used his size and strength to not only separate players from pucks below the red line. He also showed an ability to catch players with their heads down, jumping up at the line and finishing checks in open ice. He continues to display excellent skating and footwork, both with the puck and without. His puck skills and offensive vision continue to show strong development, although he has some room to grow with his decision-making abilities. Key for him will be to work on adding some bulk to his frame, as he is still pretty slight at 6’4/180lbs. He also has some room to develop his puck skills, but the progression is there. He will be a top defenceman on Team Canada, and add to the team’s strong leadership core. For me, Nurse was the top performer of the tournament not named Nathan MacKinnon. He was physically dominant down low, aggressive in puck battles and showed some strong strength. He was excellent at skating the puck up the ice, showing great footwork and mobility. He has really grown with his puck skills vs. where he was last year. He made excellent reads of the ice and crisp tape-to-tape passes at high speeds. I’ve always been a big proponent of Nurse and his long term potential, however he really has taken another step forward, and looks to be really improving his puck skills. His potential is high, and I love the player that he will become.
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Bowey was the second best defenceman on my board this weekend. He was extremely strong at playing a smart, positional game in all three zones. He was effective at playing aggressively down low and along the boards, using his body to leverage opposition defenceman off of the puck, which also doing a strong job of controlling gaps in his own zone. He had a great, active stick that he always was using to knock down passes or to take away passing lanes. Offensively, he showed some good poise with the puck and made some smart outlet passes. He was effective on the point with partner Josh Morrissey. He is a good skater with above average footwork for a player of his body size, but could use to improve the explosiveness of his stride, as well as his first few steps. As mentioned, he made some smart passes, but has some room to grow with his ability to make high-end offensive plays with the puck. He needs to continue to work on making crisp, tape to tape passes that stretch the ice. Most of his first passes where in the 10ft range, and when he tried to stretch it out to 20+ft, he was much less accurate. He was named to Canada’s entry at the 2012 Ivan Hlinka team, and expected to partner with Josh Morrissey, who he played with during the evaluation camp.
Just one guy's opinion but he considered Bowey the second best defenceman at the camp behind Nurse. The list of attendees included Aaron Ekblad, Josh Morrisey, Shea Theodore, Jordan Subban, Chris Bigras, Samuel Morin, and Kayle Doetzel.


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One of my options for pick 25.

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Kelowna Rockets defenseman Madison Bowey is one of the most intriguing prospects out of the WHL this year. After flirting with the college route and falling to the second round of the Bantam Draft, Bowey took the league by storm last year. He has the complete package of size, smarts, physical play, and offensive skills. Bowey is an aggressive defender that uses both his size and strength to shut down the opposition.

His offensive skill set is bit raw but he has shown flashes of brilliance in his ability to read plays and move the puck up ice under pressure. Kelowna has been known to produce excellent defenseman in the past and Bowey will look to follow in the footsteps of other Rockets greats.

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His skating isn't as bad as you're making it out to be. He's plenty quick, and serviceable speed, just an awkward stride, really. Has all the tools to be a PF with good scoring potential. Needs to compete for 60 minutes a night, though.
I soured on him during the Subway Series to be perfectly honest. He was easily the worst player on the ice.

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I soured on him during the Subway Series to be perfectly honest. He was easily the worst player on the ice.
Didn't look good, agreed. He's a beast today. Spits dominating 5-1 at the start of the 3rd.

Domi is a bonehead. 6-8 minutes in stupid reactionary penalties. Doesn't seem to care at all.

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lol at whoever said our pick to be roughly 25th. I don't really see it happening.

Two extreme scenarios:

1. All four conference finalists are non division winners. In that case, our pick would be 20th (assuming 27-30 for cup finalists, and 21-26 for division winners).
2. All four conference finalists are division winners. In that case, our pick would be anywhere 24th or lesser (i.e. 22nd 23rd etc).

If we make playoffs, and don't reach conference finals, I reckon our pick to be somewhere around 19-20.

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