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03-10-2013, 01:45 PM
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What is this love affair with Dubinsky, CBJ suck like us and they want to get rid of him so we will take him and his over paid contract please people. When was the last time he had a good year.
I'd take him..2nd line C in place of Gagner or LW with Gagner.

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03-10-2013, 01:49 PM
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In hindsight, Tambo shouldve waited to sign Hall and Ebs to new deals..
Would have gotten them for much cheaper and it being a contract year would have gotten more production.

Hall will eventually earn his $$ but Eberle may never reach that level.
I know times are tough but aren't people overreacting just a tad when it comes to Eberle? I see proposal after proposal involving him, one absolutely retarded suggestion that we buy him out, and countless other posts bashing him. 24 games into his 3rd year, 17 points and were already giving up on him, ready to move onto the next shiny toy.

This isn't necessarily directed at you, just quoted your post.

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03-10-2013, 01:50 PM
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I think Dubinsky would be a nice 3rd line player but not for the money that he is making. His point production has decreased the last two years. He was playing on the 3rd line with the Rangers and now he has been with CBJ for less then a season and they want to trade him away already. I wouldn't give up too much for him.

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03-10-2013, 01:52 PM
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It's not overreacting. It's moving assets from a position of strength to help fill holes.

I'd much rather keep Yakupov than Eberle if it comes down to one or the other and I think Hemskys days are numbered.

If Reider develops in the next two or three years into a good second liner I have no problem moving Eberle for a good return.

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I know times are tough but aren't people overreacting just a tad when it comes to Eberle? I see proposal after proposal involving him, one absolutely retarded suggestion that we buy him out, and countless other posts bashing him. 24 games into his 3rd year, 17 points and were already giving up on him, ready to move onto the next shiny toy.

This isn't necessarily directed at you, just quoted your post.
Exactly, a 24 game sample in a career is not going to paint a full picture and if this is the worst we see out of him, he is a great asset. So far this season, he is basically producing at the exact same levels as he did in his rookie season.

The positives this year are that he is chewing up more minutes a game and shooting at a higher rate.

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03-10-2013, 01:57 PM
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I'd take him..2nd line C in place of Gagner or LW with Gagner.
I think you run the risk of him not actually being a 2nd line player though. With the exception of one season he has Horcoff like offensive production. Now of course he brings some different things to the table and could fit in well with a couple of skilled players.

I would be interested in picking him up, but I donno if you can have him and Horcoff on the payroll. You could end up having 10 million on your third line between 2 players.

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03-10-2013, 02:00 PM
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It's not overreacting. It's moving assets from a position of strength to help fill holes.

I'd much rather keep Yakupov than Eberle if it comes down to one or the other and I think Hemskys days are numbered.

If Reider develops in the next two or three years into a good second liner I have no problem moving Eberle for a good return.
Well then we have to wait 2 to 3 years before we look at trading him don't we?

When was the last time a player who saw such a drastic drop off in production from one junior season to the next actually succeeded in the NHL? Maybe Ryan Getzlaf? But lets be honest, Reider is no Getzlaf.

Reider is a long shot to be an NHL player at this point. He was even when he was putting up great numbers last season. Looks even less likely now.

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I'd be interested in bringing in Brandon Dubinsky for our future third line spot, he can play second line LW until the offseason.

There are two problems with it though:

1) The cap hit is a bit on the high side
2) What would CBJ want?

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Does anyone know how Gormley is doing with Phoenix, see he has been playing in the AHL this year. Phoenix is pretty packed at D, maybe we could get him for not too much.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=115925
I doubt they're moving this guy, even for a whole lot. They have to resign Mike Smith and OEL this summer. More of a chacne they move a guy like Klesla, who is expensive, but he's very much like Hamlrik. BIG, strong and good in his own zone. Makes simple plays and good breakouts. All the things N Schultz was supposed to bring to the table (maybe not hte big). Klesla would be a good pickup, maybe "for not too much"......if you don't get scared by the $$ and the durability.

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I would take Dubi and play him on the wing with Gagner. He would take the important draws and is the exact type of player you need to play with Gagner and Hemsky. If it cost you Belanger and a 2nd I make that trade everyday.

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Trade a 2nd next years 1st and 2nd at the draft for D help

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If it is true Dubinsky is being shopped what do you guys think of our 2014 first rounder for him?

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If it is true Dubinsky is being shopped what do you guys think of our 2014 first rounder for him?
Turn out to be a terrible trade - don't think it's ever wise to give up a 1st for a 3rd line player. No matter the current needs.

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I'd be interested in bringing in Brandon Dubinsky for our future third line spot, he can play second line LW until the offseason.

There are two problems with it though:

1) The cap hit is a bit on the high side
2) What would CBJ want?
Hockey wise it seems like it might be a fit but salary wise?

1. Agreed.

2. You'd think they're trying to drop some salary and since Dubinsky's being used as a 3rd liner...Hartikainen?

I just think his salary is too high for what he brings...pass.

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If it is true Dubinsky is being shopped what do you guys think of our 2014 first rounder for him?
I don't want us to trade a 1st rounder until we've shown we can be a playoff team. If we did that and then end up bottom 5 next year, all the people that didn't shoot themselves throughout the year will shoot themselves because we gave up the pick for Dubinsky. That said, I'm sure we could put something together for him

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if not first rounder in 2014

MPS, Belanger(oiles take 1mill of his cotnract next year--BJS pay 750k) for Dubi

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I don't want us to trade a 1st rounder until we've shown we can be a playoff team. If we did that and then end up bottom 5 next year, all the people that didn't shoot themselves throughout the year will shoot themselves because we gave up the pick for Dubinsky. That said, I'm sure we could put something together for him
for years I have been the king of not trading first rounders--we have a good war chest of very high draft picks and some holes to fill and it is time to address the needs

they guys we want to trade wont get us what we need

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03-10-2013, 02:33 PM
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for years I have been the king of not trading first rounders--we have a good war chest of very high draft picks and some holes to fill and it is time to address the needs

they guys we want to trade wont get us what we need
A first rounder is far too much for Dubinsky.

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A first rounder is far too much for Dubinsky.
we are a better team with Dubinsky

For me, this is why I said a 2014 draft pick not 2013. We should be drafting between 16 to 21 in 2014

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Belanger and a 2nd for Dubinksy

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Belanger and a 2nd for Dubinksy
not enough

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Need to re-sign Smid and Jones and unload all the dead-weight at the trade deadline and in the off-season: Habibulin, Whitney, Potter, Peckham, Eager, Hordichuk need to go asap.

Hemsky, Gagner should be traded to fill needs. Smyth or Horcoff might have to be bought out in the summer.
In the ideal world:

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Need to re-sign Smid and Jones and unload all the dead-weight at the trade deadline and in the off-season: Habibulin, Whitney, Potter, Peckham, Eager, Hordichuk need to go asap.

Hemsky, Gagner should be traded to fill needs. Smyth or Horcoff might have to be bought out in the summer.
In the ideal world:

J.Schultz-Smid
Petry-X (maybe S.Jones, if they get to draft that high).
N.Schultz-Klefbom
Fistric

Hall-RNH-Eberle
X-X-Yakupov
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Hartikainen-Belanger-Brown
Petrell, Lander
Gagner should be traded to fill needs? Such as what? The hole he creates at 2C when you trade him?

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I think you run the risk of him not actually being a 2nd line player though. With the exception of one season he has Horcoff like offensive production. Now of course he brings some different things to the table and could fit in well with a couple of skilled players.

I would be interested in picking him up, but I donno if you can have him and Horcoff on the payroll. You could end up having 10 million on your third line between 2 players.
Absolutely cannot have both. Acquiring Dubinsky would be a prelude to Horcoff being amensty bought out during the offseason. I'd be atleast semi-comfortable going into the next season with RNH - Dubinsky - Gagner down the middle and the addition of a big Top-6 winger.

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Need to re-sign Smid and Jones and unload all the dead-weight at the trade deadline and in the off-season: Habibulin, Whitney, Potter, Peckham, Eager, Hordichuk need to go asap.

Hemsky, Gagner should be traded to fill needs. Smyth or Horcoff might have to be bought out in the summer.
In the ideal world:

J.Schultz-Smid
Petry-X (maybe S.Jones, if they get to draft that high).
N.Schultz-Klefbom
Fistric

Hall-RNH-Eberle
X-X-Yakupov
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Hartikainen-Belanger-Brown
Petrell, Lander
Smid and Fistric need to be signed.
Jones is expendable

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Yeah I'm not sure why people consider Jones as a need.

I hate the Glencross comparison. Jones is not Glencross.

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