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03-10-2013, 03:51 PM
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Oiler fans seem confident that they'll be able to re-sign him, but why would he want to stay in that mess? i guess they have the cap-space to overpay.
Players develop bonds and loyalty to the places that drafted them, for better or worse. He might leave, but not sure we could afford him if he did.


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I just don't see where Murray would fit here. I don't think he'd be good enough for a top 4 role and that would force him to the bottom pair with Engelland. I can't see those two being a good D pair. Although I could see Murray helping in a limited role on the PK and defensive zone starts where you need a big body to clear the front of the net.

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03-10-2013, 03:54 PM
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What are the chances of getting Anaheim to trade with us. Are there any chances of getting Beauchemin? If not, what about Sbisa?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=659193
No chance on Beauchemin. Sbisa I don't know. Are you preparing your next story?

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03-10-2013, 04:04 PM
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No chance on Beauchemin. Sbisa I don't know. Are you preparing your next story?
I really do consider it an insult to be called Rob Rossi.

But, if Rossi comes up with a story on Sbisa. I may never be able to convince you that I'm not him.

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03-10-2013, 05:19 PM
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I think we need a change of defenseman. If Orpik can change and get better, just like Martin (in my opinion) has gotten better from last year then that would be fine. But each game recently, Orpik seems to get worse and worse.

Yes, why can't Shero address the winger situation as well as the defense by the trade deadline.

Maybe we need to start listing the possibilities in trades for D. I would trade Orpik, Niskanen, or Engelland for the right improvement. We could throw in TK, Glass, and/or picks and/or possibly a prospect for the right trade. Here are some D not mentioned much yet to add to the D list (Murray, Scuderi, Regehr):

Smid (EDM) - top 5 in NHL defenseman in hits AND blocks
Brewer (TBL) - has some size (6'4" 220 lbs), leads Tampa in hits + blocks
Beauchemin (ANA) - top 2 in +/- , leads ANA in SH time on ice and overall TOI
Klein (NSH) - top 20 in NHL defenseman in BLKS + Takeaways, leads NSH in SH TOI
Fraser (TOR) - leads the NHL in defensive +/-, 3rd in NHL defenseman with Hits
I would say only Smid is a realistic target. Those other guys will stay where they are for various reasons.


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I wonder if Shero created some good will with Maloney sending him Michalek back for peanuts. I'd be interested in Morris and Klesla.
Klesla would help. Not a big fan of Morris.


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If we could flip kennedy for dougie murray I would be a happy camper!
I would like that very much.


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What are the chances of getting Anaheim to trade with us. Are there any chances of getting Beauchemin? If not, what about Sbisa?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=659193
Zero chance, imo.


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You do not want Murray. There is a very good reason Sharks fans want to get rid of him.
Sharks fans aren't the greatest talent evaluators, either. Murray would fill a huge need for us (a crease clearer). His play has dipped this season but players often rediscover their games after a change of scenery. His addition would be major, imo.


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Players develop bonds and loyalty to the places that drafted them, for better or worse. He might leave, but not sure we could afford him if he did.
Not disagreeing, just pointing out that Smid was a Ducks draft pick, dealt to Edmonton in the famed Chris Pronger deal.


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I just don't see where Murray would fit here. I don't think he'd be good enough for a top 4 role and that would force him to the bottom pair with Engelland. I can't see those two being a good D pair. Although I could see Murray helping in a limited role on the PK and defensive zone starts where you need a big body to clear the front of the net.
Murray would definitely be an upgrade on Engelland, no question. We all love Engelland's fighting ability, but his game has regressed this season (probably more than Murray's, in fact).

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03-10-2013, 05:28 PM
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Not disagreeing, just pointing out that Smid was a Ducks draft pick, dealt to Edmonton in the famed Chris Pronger deal.
Yea, you're right. Again, I'm basing all of my Smid information on Oil Change, so everything I say is either wrong, tongue-in-cheek, or both.

I love his game, though. I don't know if Shero will pursue FA Dmen given their depth at the position, but he's definitely one guy I'd love to have on this team.

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So glad to see this thread. I think were all starting to realize we don't need a winger as badly as we need some defense.

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03-10-2013, 05:31 PM
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Yea, you're right. Again, I'm basing all of my Smid information on Oil Change, so everything I say is either wrong, tongue-in-cheek, or both.

I love his game, though. I don't know if Shero will pursue FA Dmen given their depth at the position, but he's definitely one guy I'd love to have on this team.
Oil Change is great television.


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So glad to see this thread. I think were all starting to realize we don't need a winger as badly as we need some defense.
We need both.

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I will tell you this. There is no New York Islander defender that I would want on the Pens.

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03-10-2013, 08:18 PM
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I will tell you this. There is no New York Islander defender that I would want on the Pens.
only because Strait is injured

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only because Strait is injured
You wouldnt take Visnovsky?

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You wouldnt take Visnovsky?
I would. I'm just being a jag. I didn't make the initial comment

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I will tell you this. There is no New York Islander defender that I would want on the Pens.
Travis Hamonic?

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Travis Hamonic?
Isles are not going to move Hamonic, no way

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I don't think we need to acquire a defenseman.

Orpik-Martin
Despres-Letang
Eaton-Niskanen
Engelland-Bortuzzo

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Isles are not going to move Hamonic, no way
I am aware of that, but he stated that he would not want any defenseman on the Islanders roster.

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I think we could use another D-Man. That doesn't mean we have to get one but if possible I would add a big crease clearing pk guy given the struggles in that area or a big minute shutdown guy which would obviously cost more.

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I am aware of that, but he stated that he would not want any defenseman on the Islanders roster.
Sorry just saw that part. Hamonic and Streit I'd gladly take on the Pens

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it was a joke people

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I don't think we need to acquire a defenseman.

Orpik-Martin
Despres-Letang
Eaton-Niskanen
Engelland-Bortuzzo
Me either. Looking at things as objectively as possible, that's a pretty well rounded defensive corps on paper.

There's skilled guys, physical guys, lefties & righties, depth.. if we can't make things work with that group, that's on the coaching staff.

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Me either. Looking at things as objectively as possible, that's a pretty well rounded defensive corps on paper.

There's skilled guys, physical guys, lefties & righties, depth.. if we can't make things work with that group, that's on the coaching staff.
I'd say 90% of our problems are on the coaching staff...

But I'd still love a crease clearer like Regehr, especially if Shero uses Nisky or Despres to bring in a winger.

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Me either. Looking at things as objectively as possible, that's a pretty well rounded defensive corps on paper.

There's skilled guys, physical guys, lefties & righties, depth.. if we can't make things work with that group, that's on the coaching staff.
Exactly.

The major defensive issue is flat out the PK, where we have allowed 21 goals and as we have scored zero SH goals so far, that means that only Washington and Florida are worse than us 'net' with minus 22.

Obviously we can say that a stud PK defender who can keep the blue paint pristine would not be amiss on our team, but I sincerely believe that system tweaks will go a long way. Us not getting forwards out of the crease area is too much of a general occurrence to simply be about our D-men being THAT bad at it.
With Vitale being ace on draws, I also wonder if he is just a much worse PK'er than I thought what with him getting no PK time this season. Last year he got 40 seconds per game. Now he is at 4 seconds. What happened? Face-offs combined with his speed and hustle should make him a natural selection. I mean, we play Glass there for 1.30 per game and I cannot imagine how Vitale isn't a better option?

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I'd say 90% of our problems are on the coaching staff...

But I'd still love a crease clearer like Regehr, especially if Shero uses Nisky or Despres to bring in a winger.
Is Regehr still good?
If he's still good then he might be just what the doctor ordered.

I think we need a crease clearer but I think we also need a wing. If we're going for the cup then let's not half-ass it.

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I don't think we need to acquire a defenseman.

Orpik-Martin
Despres-Letang
Eaton-Niskanen
Engelland-Bortuzzo
If anything, they need to play Despres with Letang as much as possible over the next three weeks and see where they stand. If they feel they can do better, then try to make a deal by the deadline. Personally, I think the Penguins could use another stay-at-home d-man to help clear traffic away from the goalie.

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I would. I'm just being a jag. I didn't make the initial comment
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If anything, they need to play Despres with Letang as much as possible over the next three weeks and see where they stand. If they feel they can do better, then try to make a deal by the deadline. Personally, I think the Penguins could use another stay-at-home d-man to help clear traffic away from the goalie.
I would keep Eaton with Letang. I think he's the perfect calming influence for our best defenseman.

I would like to see us try Despres-Bortuzzo on the third pairing. Didn't they play a lot together in the 'A'?

I'd also be fine with trading one of Orpik, Niskanen or Martin, then keeping the other two as a pairing (for the rest of this season).

Keep Engelland for depth and bring in one more veteran stay-at-home guy to have eight for the playoffs.

That's what I would like to see.

Trading Paul Martin right now would be a coup. I'm afraid if we wait until the off-season, he could have another playoff stinker and ruin all the work he's done this season to up his value once again.

But I'd deal any of the three veterans, really.

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