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03-09-2013, 08:44 PM
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Koivu can easily play another 3-5 years in the league, which means this isn't his last shot at the cup. He's also more likely to leave if the Ducks lowball the hell out of him again.
First, I disagree that Koivu has 3-5 years left of competitive play.

Second, maybe I'm being pedantic, but saying "Selanne's last shot at the Cup" really makes no sense to me.

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03-09-2013, 08:59 PM
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First, I disagree that Koivu has 3-5 years left of competitive play.

Second, maybe I'm being pedantic, but saying "Selanne's last shot at the Cup" really makes no sense to me.
It's pretty basic. Selanne is going to have this year and maybe next year before retirement. With people aging and a longer season, it's unlikely that the Ducks will be as good next year. Looking at the actual team, this is the year they have a reasonable shot at a Cup.

And Koivu is still an effective 2-3C tweener. He easily still has three years left, and can slide down to a 4th line PK specialist for someone if he feels like playing longer. Whether he wants to is another issue, but he's shown no signs of falling off a cliff to indicate he's done after next year IMO.

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I think Perry is definitely worth $9M AAV. IMO he is one of the top 10 forwards in the entire NHL. Seeing him in a Leafs jersey would make me very happy. Definitely impossible to read into where he may or may not want to go next (ie: having similar or different "values" as Getzlaf) is impossible. Anaheim is a strange team in that you never know if they will be a contender or not... but it's tough to argue with living in SoCal.

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03-10-2013, 06:51 PM
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Washington may be looking for a shakeup. I would start calling McPhee and see if he is willing to swap Backstrom for Perry. We would address a huge hole in the middle.
I was actually looking at moving Perry to Columbus for Letestu. We solve our second line problem regarding a center. Plus maybe a first or very high second. Guy is on the downlow regarding centers. He is having a breakout year with 13 pts in 23 games this year. Not a great wrap sheet in the NHL but still young and is producing a boatload of pts on a crap team compared to ours regarding Bonino. If we could pull this off with a first???? Great job Murray!

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03-10-2013, 06:56 PM
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Letestu is not a second line centre even if he has put up 13 points in 23 games - he's worse than Bonino is. And he's 28 years old - hardly young.

Also Columbus will not be trading for Perry when the chances of him re-signing there are very slim.

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03-10-2013, 07:00 PM
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I was actually looking at moving Perry to Columbus for Letestu. We solve our second line problem regarding a center. Plus maybe a first or very high second. Guy is on the downlow regarding centers. He is having a breakout year with 13 pts in 23 games this year. Not a great wrap sheet in the NHL but still young and is producing a boatload of pts on a crap team compared to ours regarding Bonino. If we could pull this off with a first???? Great job Murray!
Letestu + 1st would be a pretty bad return, unless that 1st is a top-3 pick maybe. Letestu doesn't have top-6 upside, IMO.

EDIT: And all of what Paul said.

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I was actually looking at moving Perry to Columbus for Letestu. We solve our second line problem regarding a center. Plus maybe a first or very high second. Guy is on the downlow regarding centers. He is having a breakout year with 13 pts in 23 games this year. Not a great wrap sheet in the NHL but still young and is producing a boatload of pts on a crap team compared to ours regarding Bonino. If we could pull this off with a first???? Great job Murray!
I just threw up in my mouth. You better hope its a top 3 pick and even then it's a **** trade.

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03-10-2013, 07:06 PM
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I just threw up in my mouth. You better hope its a top 3 pick and even then it's a **** trade.
How so? If we pull a high first and Letetsu for Perry you're calling it loony? Yah lets just trade Perry unsigned to a team with playoff chances with a crap first and a top prospect. Atleast my trade proposal maxes most profit for Perry awhile solving issues on our 2nd line center position.

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03-10-2013, 07:08 PM
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It doesn't solve the 2nd line centre problem though - Letustu is not and likely will never be a good 2C. Also why would Columbus give up a high 1st rounder for 1 month of Perry?

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It's pretty basic. Selanne is going to have this year and maybe next year before retirement. With people aging and a longer season, it's unlikely that the Ducks will be as good next year.
Not sure I understand your theory. If you believe Selanne is gonna be near the same level and Koivu easily has 3 years left. This team in theory should be as good or better. Unless you're saying the Ducks aren't cup contenders this year.

Seeing as we are a younger team with tons of kids they are getting worse because they get a year older? I would think they would progress not regress.

Only players wary of a decline would be Selanne/Souray/Koivu but since you seem to believe Koivu is perfectly fine for at least 3 years he shouldn't be of worry. I would logically assume our younger players would make up for their slight decline.

Therefor I don't understand how you can assume we won't be as good next year. Just because we might not post some ridiculously assume start like his year won't mean we aren't a good team.

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This is the bad part of a hot start.

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Letestu + 1st would be a pretty bad return, unless that 1st is a top-3 pick maybe. Letestu doesn't have top-6 upside, IMO.

EDIT: And all of what Paul said.
Have you seen where he has played? How can you DEFINITIVELY say he doesn't have top 6 upside? He's been traded around between penguins and jackets for almost 2 seasons let the center settle first. He doesn't have top 6 because of the depth in pit, and he's finally breaking out his shell in Columbus. Guy has true status for a top 6 plus a first? This is almost non negotiable if CBJ accepts it and their first is top 5.

EDIT: he just broke out for a full season in 10-11 with the pens. Guy has potential enough said.

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03-10-2013, 07:15 PM
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How so? If we pull a high first and Letetsu for Perry you're calling it loony? Yah lets just trade Perry unsigned to a team with playoff chances with a crap first and a top prospect. Atleast my trade proposal maxes most profit for Perry awhile solving issues on our 2nd line center position.
Your first problem is you actually think Letestu is good. We have prospects that are better than Letestu. You are trading Perry for the hopes of a high pick. We can get a top prospect elsewhere that's ready to make an impact for or team immediately plus a first and roster player.

You can facepalm all you want but once again your lack of knowledge is showing once again.

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03-10-2013, 07:21 PM
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Your first problem is you actually think Letestu is good. We have prospects that are better than Letestu. You are trading Perry for the hopes of a high pick. We can get a top prospect elsewhere that's ready to make an impact for or team immediately plus a first and roster player.

You can facepalm all you want but once again your lack of knowledge is showing once again.
You're absolutely dreaming on your demand for Perry. Who gives up those type of assets for a UFA for 20 games "roughly". Unreal I remember when these boards were invitations only to be a member. What happen to that btw? right back to you

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You're absolutely dreaming on your demand for Perry. Who gives up those type of assets for a UFA for 20 games "roughly". Unreal I remember when these boards were invitations only to be a member. What happen to that btw? right back to you
There was somewhat of an advantage in acquiring rentals before, mainly the head start and allowing them to be already familiar with your team, but now being able to offer that 8th year is a pretty big advantage in UFA negotiating(assuming you're a team Perry wants to play for). Plus Anaheim has a lot of leverage, in the sense that they're not a rebuilding team in any rush to trade him.

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03-10-2013, 07:31 PM
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Have you seen where he has played? How can you DEFINITIVELY say he doesn't have top 6 upside? He's been traded around between penguins and jackets for almost 2 seasons let the center settle first. He doesn't have top 6 because of the depth in pit, and he's finally breaking out his shell in Columbus. Guy has true status for a top 6 plus a first? This is almost non negotiable if CBJ accepts it and their first is top 5.

EDIT: he just broke out for a full season in 10-11 with the pens. Guy has potential enough said.
It's pretty easy to say he doesn't have top-6 upside. He hasn't shown it anywhere, ever, and he's 28 years old now. How is 27 points at 26 years old breaking out, in a top-6 potential sense? He's a responsible 3rd line guy with good enough offensive abilities to contribute a bit offensively in that role (including a decent shot IIRC), but there really is nothing there that stands out as a possible top-6 center on a good team. He isn't a 2nd line center for the Jackets, either.

It's just a weird proposal. In some threads, you have the most outrageous asking prices, and here you come up with that. I really don't get it.

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03-10-2013, 07:42 PM
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It's pretty easy to say he doesn't have top-6 upside. He hasn't shown it anywhere, ever, and he's 28 years old now. How is 27 points at 26 years old breaking out, in a top-6 potential sense? He's a responsible 3rd line guy with good enough offensive abilities to contribute a bit offensively in that role (including a decent shot IIRC), but there really is nothing there that stands out as a possible top-6 center on a good team. He isn't a 2nd line center for the Jackets, either.

It's just a weird proposal. In some threads, you have the most outrageous asking prices, and here you come up with that. I really don't get it.
What's most outrageous is the asking price of Perry compared to the reality. 1st+top prospect+ roster player. That's ludicrous no team stupid enough would do that deal. Especially with a UFA Perry. I know it's Sunday funday blah blah but c'mon.... Lets be realistic on the price of Perry

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What's most outrageous is the asking price of Perry compared to the reality. 1st+top prospect+ roster player. That's ludicrous no team stupid enough would do that deal. Especially with a UFA Perry. I know it's Sunday funday blah blah but c'mon.... Lets be realistic on the price of Perry
We know pretty well what's realistic for Perry. Kovalchuk and Hossa have been traded in pretty much the same situation headed for free agency. The returns for those guys are what we can go by. Those involved a young roster player, a good (not great) prospect and a 1st rounder. That's the standard price for top-level rentals.

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Thanks god bleacher report agrees with me. People asking for a first plus top prospect plus roster player are simply dreaming.

Great write up btw http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...hl-free-agency

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Bleacher report is not the most credible website.

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Thanks god bleacher report agrees with me. People asking for a first plus top prospect plus roster player are simply dreaming.

Great write up btw http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...hl-free-agency
Bleacher Report......

At least Eklund is a fake insider.

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Thanks god bleacher report agrees with me. People asking for a first plus top prospect plus roster player are simply dreaming.

Great write up btw http://m.bleacherreport.com/articles...hl-free-agency
A) Not to be arrogant, but Me > Bleacherreport. That is a terrible article, by the way.

B) That article actually disagrees with you, as it specifically says:
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Perry would likely help the Ducks acquire at least a first round pick and a top prospect if he was traded.
Which, again, is probably wrong. It's usually not "top" prospects that are involved in those deals.

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Columbus would never send a 1st round pick to Anaheim that wasn't protected. Not when we're talking about the possibility of a Jones or a Barkov.

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I'd like to try and send Koivu and Teemu out on a high note, if it means losing Perry for nothing so be it, if we can get a trade that makes us better? ok do it. but that seems unlikely

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Columbus would never send a 1st round pick to Anaheim that wasn't protected. Not when we're talking about the possibility of a Jones or a Barkov.
Columbus would never have the opportunity to trade it's pick because they are smart enough to realize Perry wont help them be a contender nor resign with them.

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