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03-11-2013, 09:48 AM
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Something like Henrique + 1st + Frazee (or another G-prospect that can replace Lack in the minors) + Matteau (or another prospect).
Lol holy overpayment..

Take out the 1st, Frazee, and Matteau and it seems a little more fair. Still doubt NJ touches it though.

NJ needs of forwards > their need of Goaltenders.


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03-11-2013, 09:56 AM
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He's a pair of shoes.

Vancouver has a problem and no team is going to do them a favour to help them fix it.
of course not, and no one will pay wath is being asked by Canucks fans either... GM's are looking to pay what Varlamov cost to the AVs for Schneider, no more (1st, + 2x 2nd)

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03-11-2013, 10:00 AM
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Josefson and a 1st(15th-20th) for Schneider and a 2nd(50th-60th)

Let's not kid ourselves goalies, never ever bring back big returns.
Toskala netted Couture, in a very roundabout sort of way.

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03-11-2013, 10:04 AM
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The market for the best proven young goaltender not named Carey Price is going to be steep.
lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll ll

Are you serious... a 27-year-old with a 2.63 GAA and 0.910 save percentage is the best proven young goaltender since Price...

How about watch some of the other teams in the league ideally those not just in Vancouver and Montreal...

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Canucks may have to add some depth players as well, but I don't see Schneider moving for any less then a proven young NHLer, 1st round pick, and a prospect.
Some depth players... sure... if you mean like two of Schroeder Kassian Hansen. Get real.

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of course not, and no one will pay wath is being asked by Canucks fans either... GM's are looking to pay what Varlamov cost to the AVs for Schneider, no more (1st, + 2x 2nd)
We are talking a 23-year-old who was coming off a 2.23 GAA and 0.924 SV% season... at 23 Schneider had a sparkling 3.38 GAA in the NHL and was not even an AHL starter yet. So yes Varlamov fetched an 11th overall pick... so unless you're going to ship a time machine along with Schneider allowing whoever gets him to get those four years back... Schneider is NOT worth the same.

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03-11-2013, 10:10 AM
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People have been saying this since last season.

Schneider would bring a much larger return than Luongo, and any difference in goalie performance is not enough to harm that team's chances.

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03-11-2013, 10:13 AM
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I would trade him for either Adam from New Jersey straight up.

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03-11-2013, 10:15 AM
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Schneider to SE division team?

I wouldn't put it past the any one of those teams when I look at their situations, Jets included.

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We are talking a 23-year-old who was coming off a 2.23 GAA and 0.924 SV% season... at 23 Schneider had a sparkling 3.38 GAA in the NHL and was not even an AHL starter yet. So yes Varlamov fetched an 11th overall pick... so unless you're going to ship a time machine along with Schneider allowing whoever gets him to get those four years back... Schneider is NOT worth the same.
Except Schneider is a better NHL goalie now. We aint talking trades of yesteryear.

St Louis offered the 11th overall pick for Schneider 2 years ago, and he is better now.
The only merit any argument has against Schneider is that he had not been a starter. Well, he is now.

Hes taking his lumps and going through his growing pains. When he is traded in the off season that will no longer be an issue. I am sure the return will be fine.

But this 'two goalie' system the canucks are using right now is not working.

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03-11-2013, 10:22 AM
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probably cost what Varlamov did when he was traded (top 15ish pick and a second rounder)

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The market for the best proven young goaltender not named Carey Price is going to be steep. Canucks may have to add some depth players as well, but I don't see Schneider moving for any less then a proven young NHLer, 1st round pick, and a prospect.
Schneider is not "proven". He has better bonafides than nearly any other not-yet-established goaltender out there (read: I can't think of any off the top of my head), but he has yet to take on a starter's workload at all, let alone demonstrate that he can continue to perform as well as he has as a backup when given such a workload.

If you try to sell him as an "established starter", you stand a fair chance of being disappointed... and a really good chance of rather pissing off teams that are looking for actual established starters rather than probable ones.

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probably cost what Varlamov did when he was traded (top 15ish pick and a second rounder)
i doubt it, varlomov is much younger and every bit as proven as schnieder

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Except Schneider is a better NHL goalie now. We aint talking trades of yesteryear.
He is ranked 22nd in GAA @ 2.63.

And he is ranked 25th in SV% @ .910.

How is he better this year? Or is he just not getting support from his team?

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03-11-2013, 10:27 AM
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Until Sherman traded a 1st (11th overall) and 2nd round pick for Varlamov
Sherman is an idiot though. The Canucks need to find another vacant GM if they want to make a deal like this, before said GM gets **** canned.

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03-11-2013, 10:32 AM
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Except Schneider is a better NHL goalie now. We aint talking trades of yesteryear.
Except he's not... there is literally no metric by which Schneider is better than Varlamov...

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St Louis offered the 11th overall pick for Schneider 2 years ago, and he is better now.
"We ain't talking trades of yesteryear"

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The only merit any argument has against Schneider is that he had not been a starter. Well, he is now.
Yes he is now... and he is as mediocre as everyone thought he was going to be... you don't get full value for Schneider as a starter because right now he is no better than someone like Dubnyk... and I don't see anyone pitching Dubnyk for Henrique++.

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Hes taking his lumps and going through his growing pains. When he is traded in the off season that will no longer be an issue. I am sure the return will be fine.
"Fine" but not at a superstar level, which is what you are asking for...

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03-11-2013, 10:33 AM
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Probably time you put down the XBox controller and gave NHL 13 a break... try and consider the needs and value of players coming from the other team when thinking of trades...
I didn't start the New Jersey discussion. If they were interested in Schneider, that's what I'd ask for.

If they're not, then that's fine as well.

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03-11-2013, 10:35 AM
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not quite sure why Canucks fans cant realize that Schneider wont get them: Young Roster player+"A" prospect+1st

Its clearly dilusional to even think about such a pkup for Schneider

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Oh god... A Canuck goaltending thread... Why don't we just wait and see what happens instead of the same ol bickering?

And I think the Canucks are more likely to buy out Luongo than trade Schneider. He's their guy...
What I was thinking all along

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i doubt it, varlomov is much younger and every bit as proven as schnieder
you can doubt it all you want, Schneider wont be traded anyways, if so that is the minimum price

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you can doubt it all you want, Schneider wont be traded anyways, if so that is the minimum price
"Minimum"? 1st+2nd is the minimum? I think you mean the maximum.

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"Minimum"? 1st+2nd is the minimum? I think you mean the maximum.
Why would it be the maximum when Schneider has put up better stats every season until now?

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schneider & ballard
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vishnovsky, okposo & nino

or

for Versteeg & Kulikov

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Oh god... A Canuck goaltending thread... Why don't we just wait and see what happens instead of the same ol bickering?

And I think the Canucks are more likely to buy out Luongo than trade Schneider. He's their guy...
More than likely Gillis will throw in player/picks to get rid of Luongo's contract. Can't trade Schneider when management has already indicated they will move the other guy, and we know Luongo wants out. Gillis is screwing up this situation big time

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More than likely Gillis will throw in player/picks to get rid of Luongo's contract. Can't trade Schneider when management has already indicated they will move the other guy, and we know Luongo wants out. Gillis is screwing up this situation big time
actually management has indicated no such thing
its the mediastorm around it that's turned it into a circus

i guess mgmt did start schneider in game 5, and Luongo did say at some point in the summer "maybe it's time to move on"

but beyond that, everyone's said & done the right things

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Why would it be the maximum when Schneider has put up better stats every season until now?
You expect Schneider to net you a return of OVER a 1st+2nd? You must be kidding me. There are probably few goaltenders in this league that can net a return higher than that.

EDIT: The only "over" would be depth players/ahl moves, but that's about it.

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schneider & ballard
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vishnovsky, okposo & nino
Take out Nino and sub in something else and it works.

EDIT:

Nabakov + Vis + KO for Schneider + Ballard + a late pick?

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