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03-11-2013, 09:42 AM
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I have another thing he needs to improve and it kinda goes hand in hand with getting caught up ice. It's something that goes for many on our team but he needs to get better at shooting through screens. And if the lane isn't there, don't force it.

All in all he's making strides, things I didn't see from him last year.
Quincey is one of the worst at doing that.

I'm going to just start spamming this in hopes that Holland sees it and makes the right choice:

Kindl > Quincey.

Keep Kindl, trade Quincey.

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03-11-2013, 10:54 AM
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I hope they trade at least one of Quincey/White/Colaiacovo at the trade deadline, and give the younger guys like Kindl and Smith a bigger role. I don't think they'll make the playoffs, but I'm actually afraid Kenny will trade our 1st rd pick for some veteran just to not look like they gave up...

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03-11-2013, 11:21 AM
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I don't see Q being traded unless a first or above-average prospect is headed are way, which won't happen. I'm not KH, but if I traded a first for a defenseman that I had let go on waivers years before, I'm sure as hell not trading him for anything less than a first a year later.

Kindl is just what this team needed to patch up the diminished defense. Big, physical, good skater, moves the puck well and has good shot. He and Smith should be our second-pairing:

Kronwall - Ericsson
Kindl - Smith
Quincey - White

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03-11-2013, 11:32 AM
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I hope they trade at least one of Quincey/White/Colaiacovo at the trade deadline, and give the younger guys like Kindl and Smith a bigger role. I don't think they'll make the playoffs, but I'm actually afraid Kenny will trade our 1st rd pick for some veteran just to not look like they gave up...
Quincey would be my first choice; he's the most versatile of that group. White's gonna be a UFA, so trading him might prove to be challenging, and Cocoa, well, does he actually still play hockey?

I don't know that Smith is ready for a bigger role yet. His skating is smooth and he has an offensive nose for sure, but man has he been making some rough mistakes in the defensive zone when under pressure. He should probably be on the 3rd pairing with Lashoff/Huskins to ease him in a little more.

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I don't see Q being traded unless a first or above-average prospect is headed are way, which won't happen. I'm not KH, but if I traded a first for a defenseman that I had let go on waivers years before, I'm sure as hell not trading him for anything less than a first a year later.
Pride can be a terrible thing, and sometimes you just have to cut your losses. At this point, in my opinion, Quincey is a loss.

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Kindl is just what this team needed to patch up the diminished defense. Big, physical, good skater, moves the puck well and has good shot. He and Smith should be our second-pairing:

Kronwall - Ericsson
Kindl - Smith
Quincey - White
If you ditch Quincey and Cocoa finally gets healthy, I'd roll with this:

Kronwall - Ericsson
White - Cocoa
Kindl - Smith

I still think Smith needs some sheltered minutes yet, and Kindl there would probably help stabilize both their games.

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03-11-2013, 11:32 AM
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I don't see Q being traded unless a first or above-average prospect is headed are way, which won't happen. I'm not KH, but if I traded a first for a defenseman that I had let go on waivers years before, I'm sure as hell not trading him for anything less than a first a year later.

Kindl is just what this team needed to patch up the diminished defense. Big, physical, good skater, moves the puck well and has good shot. He and Smith should be our second-pairing:

Kronwall - Ericsson
Kindl - Smith
Quincey - White
I think it's asking too much to make Kind/Smith the second pairing.

I'm fine with Quincey-Smith.

What we need is a right-handed, stable defensive defenseman for Kindl.

Kronwall Ericsson
Kindl - Whoever
Quincey Smith

Truth be told, I wouldn't mind this:

Kronwall Kindl -- Kindl gives Kronwall some size.
Ericsson Smith = Ericsson gives Smith a babysitter
CC Quincey = CC and Quincey are experienced NHL defensemen with size

I'd prefer not using White when everyone is healthy (If everyone is ever healthy)

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03-11-2013, 12:04 PM
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I think it's asking too much to make Kind/Smith the second pairing.

I'm fine with Quincey-Smith.

What we need is a right-handed, stable defensive defenseman for Kindl.

Kronwall Ericsson
Kindl - Whoever
Quincey Smith

Truth be told, I wouldn't mind this:

Kronwall Kindl -- Kindl gives Kronwall some size.
Ericsson Smith = Ericsson gives Smith a babysitter
CC Quincey = CC and Quincey are experienced NHL defensemen with size

I'd prefer not using White when everyone is healthy (If everyone is ever healthy)
Fair enough. As RM pointed out too they still need some sheltered minutes so it probably wouldn't work until next year when they are both a bit more experienced.

I've been calling for the Ericsson - Smith pairing since the beginning of the year but I don't see it happening since the Kronwall - Ericsson pairing is doing well.

I don't mind Q in the lineup. Sure he doesn't score and is overplayed but he's done a very nice job in his shutdown role. Say what you want but he's at the top of the league in +/- even after his atrocious start, so he has to be doing something right.

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I think it's asking too much to make Kind/Smith the second pairing.

I'm fine with Quincey-Smith.

What we need is a right-handed, stable defensive defenseman for Kindl.

Kronwall Ericsson
Kindl - Whoever
Quincey Smith

Truth be told, I wouldn't mind this:

Kronwall Kindl -- Kindl gives Kronwall some size.
Ericsson Smith = Ericsson gives Smith a babysitter
CC Quincey = CC and Quincey are experienced NHL defensemen with size

I'd prefer not using White when everyone is healthy (If everyone is ever healthy)
I like Quincey but with his 3.75m price tag I wouldnt mind moving him since the cap goes down next year.

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I don't know that Smith is ready for a bigger role yet. His skating is smooth and he has an offensive nose for sure, but man has he been making some rough mistakes in the defensive zone when under pressure. He should probably be on the 3rd pairing with Lashoff/Huskins to ease him in a little more.
He needs to play and gain experience, especially if the Wings miss the playoffs. Was he even on the PP last night? That's where he needs to be for him to develop and be a force next season. Same thing for Kindl as well.

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03-11-2013, 12:52 PM
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He needs to play and gain experience, especially if the Wings miss the playoffs. Was he even on the PP last night? That's where he needs to be for him to develop and be a force next season.
Oh, I agree, he just doesn't need to play against the top opposition lines yet.

Yet.

He needs time, and he needs it to be protected time.

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Kindl has moved now in the 1st place in +/- on the team and has as many goals as Kronwall.

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Kindl has moved now in the 1st place in +/- on the team and has as many goals as Kronwall.
Would love to see him in the #1 PP role for a couple weeks

He's always going to have brain farts in his game (like Kronwall). I don't think he's a slick as Kronwall. But I see him as a hybrid of a poor man's Lidstrom and a Kronwall -- offensively.

Defensively, I don't see any reason he wouldn't develop into a competent defender.

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Kindl has moved now in the 1st place in +/- on the team and has as many goals as Kronwall.
Not only that, but he's 7th among Wings defensemen in time on ice per game...

... it's like a defensive HE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED.


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Not only that, but he's 7th among Wings defensemen in time on ice per game...

... it's like a defensive Hudler.
Shhhhhhhhhh, what are you thinking?? Never mention he-who-must-not-be-named.

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Shhhhhhhhhh, what are you thinking?? Never mention he-who-must-not-be-named.
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03-11-2013, 02:44 PM
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Hes been better in years past but I think some of you guys need to pump the brakes a bit here. Hes put up a few points and has looked alright but is still being sheltered and while playing the 7th most amount of minutes is still giving the ppuck away quite a bit.

Hes looking like a NHLer that should be in the line up but he hasnt been anything special at all and hasnt out performed Quincey

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Hes been better in years past but I think some of you guys need to pump the brakes a bit here. Hes put up a few points and has looked alright but is still being sheltered and while playing the 7th most amount of minutes is still giving the ppuck away quite a bit.

Hes looking like a NHLer that should be in the line up but he hasnt been anything special at all and hasnt out performed Quincey
He's totally outperformed Quincey.
More goals? Check
More assists? Check
More points? Check.
Better Plus/Minus? Check
More shots on goal? Check
More hits? Check (Three times as many)

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Hes looking like a NHLer that should be in the line up...
You should have stopped right there, because that was good enough.

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...but he hasnt been anything special at all and hasnt out performed Quincey
Like hell he hasn't:

Jakub Kindl - GP:19; G:3, A:4; +11; 26 Hits; 17:34 TOI/G
Kyle Quincey - GP:24; G:1, A:0; +10; 11 Hits; 19:03 TOI/G

Yeah, I think Kindl has handily outplayed Quincey.

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You should have stopped right there, because that was good enough...



Like hell he hasn't:
Jakub Kindl - GP:19; G:3, A:4; +11; 26 Hits; 17:34 TOI/G
Kyle Quincey - GP:24; G:1, A:0; +10; 11 Hits; 19:03 TOI/G

Yeah, I think Kindl has handily outplayed Quincey.
Kindl is on an 82 game pace for like
12 goals 17 assists, 110 hits

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Dear god when one looks at those Quincey stats.. 1 goal, 11 hits?

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You should have stopped right there, because that was good enough.



Like hell he hasn't:

Jakub Kindl - GP:19; G:3, A:4; +11; 26 Hits; 17:34 TOI/G
Kyle Quincey - GP:24; G:1, A:0; +10; 11 Hits; 19:03 TOI/G

Yeah, I think Kindl has handily outplayed Quincey.
I dont think Quincey has been noticeably better or anything but this Kindl circle jerk is a little bit premature. He barely gets minutes because hes been a turn over machine and gets hemmed into his zone to often because of it. Quincey is relied on way more to be a defensive guy now. Kindl's getting his tires pumped right now because hes a 1st round pick that is finally looking like an NHLer and Quinceys getting **** on because he had a poor adjustment to the wings but has been steady for a while now.

You could post Brendan Smith's stat line and Kindl would seem much better but theres no way watching them that Kindl has outperformed him

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I dont think Quincey has been noticeably better or anything but this Kindl circle jerk is a little bit premature.


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He barely gets minutes because hes been a turn over machine and gets hemmed into his zone to often because of it. Quincey is relied on way more to be a defensive guy now. Kindl's getting his tires pumped right now because hes a 1st round pick that is finally looking like an NHLer and Quinceys getting **** on because he had a poor adjustment to the wings but has been steady for a while now.

You could post Brendan Smith's stat line and Kindl would seem much better but theres no way watching them that Kindl has outperformed him


Okay, well, you're obviously going to see what you want to see.


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Dear god when one looks at those Quincey stats.. 1 goal, 11 hits?
And we remember the goal, right. Flutterball shot. Goes up high off the goalie and bounces off his back and in?
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i think quincey gets hit more than any other dman of ours

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i think quincey gets hit more than any other dman of ours
It's the falling that really stands out for me. Dude can't stay on his feet for ****.

That said, he's been better lately. But somebody check his skate blades.

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He's been pretty good at ES, but he's abysmal on the PP. We haven't scored a goal all year on the PP while he's been on the ice and just 1 PP goal in the 3 seasons he's been here. 115 minutes of PP time and 1 goal while he's been on the ice.

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