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03-11-2013, 04:09 PM
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Dillon in Calder discussion (Granted it's HF Calder talk)

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/article...ry-calder-poll

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03-11-2013, 04:47 PM
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Glad he's being talked about. Will be a top pairing defenseman for a long time.

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It's about time.

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What do you guys feel is Dillon's ceiling?

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What do you guys feel is Dillon's ceiling?
Maybe a #2? He plays as a #2 now, so at his prime on a team with actual defensive depth he could be a #2.

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I'm surprised he's mentioned at all, much less on the top 10 list. I'm also surprised to see Roussel as an honorable mention. I wouldn't have thought of him on any top 10 calder lists but that is great for him. I just hope he continues to improve, he's been excellent for a rookie and we probably should have called him up last year.

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Good for Dillon, he's really likable and his upside is large. I want him in a stars jersey for a long time.

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Dillon has far exceeded any expectations I had. He won't win the Calder because that's all about points production.

I love the way the team has given such a big role to a rookie like him.

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03-11-2013, 06:17 PM
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I'm surprised he's mentioned at all, much less on the top 10 list. I'm also surprised to see Roussel as an honorable mention. I wouldn't have thought of him on any top 10 calder lists but that is great for him. I just hope he continues to improve, he's been excellent for a rookie and we probably should have called him up last year.
Assuming you're still talking about Roussel, we didn't even sign him till this season so they couldn't have called him up because he still belonged to Chicago.

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Dillon has been ok. I think our expectations of what a good dman does has probably been decreased over the years, making it seem like he is doing better than he is. On a good team he probably tops out as a number 3 type guy.

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Dillon has been ok. I think our expectations of what a good dman does has probably been decreased over the years, making it seem like he is doing better than he is. On a good team he probably tops out as a number 3 type guy.
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I'm surprised he's mentioned at all,
I voted. I think I'm considered a Stars homer now among the staff here despite not having a strong rooting interest in the club

I voted early with 3 d-men in my top-5 (Brodin, Schultz, Dillon), so hopefully that inspired some votes for the lesser-points guys. Or, better yet, others are realizing how well Brodin and Dillon have played this year.

Re: his ceiling. I still don't see him as a top pairing guy, to be honest. I just don't think he has that skillset. I thought he'd be no better than a #4, and I still kind of standby that...I think when this team fills out, he'll probably lose some ice time. Then again, he could become a player - like a Marc Methot for instance - who provides a defensive conscience for a big-time offensive defenseman. I think, in his natural habitat, he might be better as a 4/5. But he's making me second guess myself a bit with his play this year. Rather undersell, than oversell...

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I'm not sure why people don't think he has the skill set. Dillon is very quick, he has a hard and accurate shot, good gap control, blocks shots well, and he makes a great first pass. What more can you want other than a Zubov type of player?

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I'm not sure why people don't think he has the skill set. Dillon is very quick, he has a hard and accurate shot, good gap control, blocks shots well, and he makes a great first pass. What more can you want other than a Zubov type of player?
As I said before, I am pretty high on his potential, but I can certainly accept arguments based on his pp suitability. I don't think he has shown the pass or the shot necessary to get regular pp time, and if your top pairing criteria is an all situation type player, he may never get there.

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He's shown great skating ability, poise and stick skills. I think he could be a "real" top pair dman one day.

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There's a lot of buzz about Dillon going around. Here's more discussion where the writer has only Brodin ahead of him in rookie D-men.

http://blogs.thescore.com/nhl/2013/0...calder-trophy/

Fear the Fin did a nice breakdown of the advanced stats for the rookie D-men this year:



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On the horizontal axis is offensive zone start percentage, or the percentage of a player's non-neutral shifts that began in the offensive zone. On the vertical axis is quality of competition, a proxy for determining the caliber of opponents a player is matched up against. The size of a player's bubble indicates the absolute value of his Relative Corsi rating, or the difference between his team's shot differential with that player on the ice and off the ice. A blue bubble means the player's Relative Corsi is positive (the team does better with him on the ice) while a white bubble indicates a negative Relative Corsi (the team does worse). For example, the Sharks outshoot their opponents by 18.2 shot attempts per 60 even-strength minutes with Irwin on the ice and get outshot by 10.6 shot attempts per 60 with him off it, giving Irwin a +28.8 Relative Corsi rating.

Players in the upper left quadrant have faced the toughest minutes available while players in the bottom right quadrant have faced the easiest minutes available. Players in the upper right quadrant begin a majority of their shifts in the offensive zone but do so against good opposing players while players in the bottom left quadrant begin a majority of their shifts in the defensive zone but do so against weaker opposing players.
Dillon has the lowest O zone starts and the highest QoC of any positive player on that chart.

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03-27-2013, 01:28 PM
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Why wouldn't he plot defensive zone start times?

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I would guess it is to try and achieve some sort of apples to apples comparison. if you are always starting in the offensive zone, you could very likely have less shots against, not due to your defensive ability but due to holding the puck in the offensive zone, and then changing when it goes the other way.

Defensive zone starts means that you are having to dig yourself out.

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Why wouldn't he plot defensive zone start times?
That data is harder to find.

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