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03-10-2013, 06:55 PM
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I think Eller + Gallagher + 2014 1st would be a fair and money conscious option for Anaheim.
But do habs do that for a rental? I'd be shocked if they did unless they had a strong feeling they could sign Perry.

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03-10-2013, 08:07 PM
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No, I think he only wanted to express that keeping Perry around for a playoff-run would be seen as quite valuable by the organisation, and that he would consider the odds of the Ducks moving him very small for that reason, if I understood correctly.
exactly.

the Ducks are a top contender. Perry is a recent Hart winner, current huge impact player and former Cup winner. Top contenders don't deal assets like this. The risk of losing such an asset is nothing compared to the possibility that it helps you win a championship. This is why we never see contenders deal their high profile rentals, and why contenders give up assets for such rentals, regardless of their contract situation.

So with that said, why would the Ducks even consider moving Perry? Sure he walks as a UFA at the end of the season. If he gives you a better chance to win the Cup (which he undoubtedly does), then his contract situation is irrelevant right now.

This is the reality we see in the NHL, and have seen throughout history. Fans worried about losing that asset for nothing isn't reality, it's HF mentality... it's not always about the future, and it never is with a top end team like this year's Ducks.

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03-10-2013, 09:16 PM
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I don't think that is accurate, at all, because your premise doesn't include the quite realistic scenario of Perry simply wanting to play elsewhere. If the Ducks trade Perry, it would be strictly due to him not resigning. There's no question that the Ducks would want to give it their best shot to replace the production they'd lose with him, even if it's a lesser player making considerable money.
My premise is based on the fact that in the Ducks' case, it is not the cap that dictates their strategy but their budget which is significantly lower. They have a $55M budget this year, which will end up again in an operation loss unless they go very,very deep in the playoffs year after year. But for discussion's sake
let's say that they accept to have to pump money back every year and operate on $55M. This leaves them next year with 8 posts/players to sign, this INCLUDING Perry who will command anywhere from $7-9M...and only $11M as they already have the other 15 signed for $44M. This leaves about $2-4M for 7 posts...and that is IF they choose to continue operating with a salary base that will cause an operating loss.

I agree with you that it can be Perry himself that wishes to sign elsewhere...but it can also very well be the Ducks' decision based on the fact that the math doesn't work. So your statement that it would be strictly due to him not resigning is also inaccurate. So I guess we are both human.

Moreover, the Ducks would presently get loaded with top prospects and rookies as the entire league would go bonkers on the possibility of landing Perry. This could end up in a gigantic overpayment a la Lindros trade which made Quebec/Colorado a powerhouse for more than 10 years.

The fact that they are having a dream season surely complicates the situation, but they will have to either part with Perry or Bobby Ryan. In a case where they would afford budgeting at the full cap space, it would be feasible to keep everybody, but in their situation the math simply doesn't work.


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03-10-2013, 10:35 PM
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Never been a fan of premium priced rentals. Usually end up high risk low reward when looking at the big picture. Smarter moves consist of identifying a very specific need (like a faceoff specialist, bottom-6 depth, crease clearing D etc) and targeting those who come with reasonable demands. The price it'll cost to land a Perry will ONLY be offset if a cup is won. Long term it'll wreck havock in your prospect pool and ability to keep a steady influx of young cheap talent, which is essential to remain competitive.

I also think the "losing for nothing" doomsday scenario is often overplayed. If the Ducks with the help of Perry go far in the playoffs, he'll be well worth the risk of losing him to free agency. Also, if he doesn't re-sign, that money will be freed for an other quality asset on the market. So IMO Anaheim would be wise not to trade Perry regardless if they think they'll sign him or not.

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03-11-2013, 05:42 PM
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03-11-2013, 05:54 PM
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I think Eller + Gallagher + 2014 1st would be a fair and money conscious option for Anaheim.
Easy no from Montreal. The Habs don't even accept Gallagher alone vs an UFA Perry. The most the Habs could offer is Moen+ Beaulieu + a first round pick + Kristo + a secound round pick.

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03-11-2013, 06:01 PM
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I think Eller + Gallagher + 2014 1st would be a fair and money conscious option for Anaheim.
Absolutely no from Montreal. We should not be mortgaging our future for a possible rental. This seasons a pure bonus for us, lets enjoy it. I hope we can get Perry as a UFA in the off season, but am patient enough to wait until then

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03-11-2013, 06:04 PM
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A Perry trade, of any kind, especially at the deadline, will likely be a star-for-star transaction, like Heatley-for-Hossa. Ducks are too good at the moment to sacrifice any of the present for the future. This screams, IMO, for a sign and trade.

Corey Perry (signed for 6 years) for Max Pacioretty and Raphael Diaz. That's the kind of deal that will get you a player of Perry's caliber.

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03-11-2013, 06:22 PM
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A Perry trade, of any kind, especially at the deadline, will likely be a star-for-star transaction, like Heatley-for-Hossa. Ducks are too good at the moment to sacrifice any of the present for the future. This screams, IMO, for a sign and trade.

Corey Perry (signed for 6 years) for Max Pacioretty and Raphael Diaz. That's the kind of deal that will get you a player of Perry's caliber.
Easy no from Montreal. The Habs will not trade a 4.5 million powerforward for a 9 million powerforward. In a sign and trade the most the Habs will offer is Eller+ Beaulieu+ Moen + a first round pick+ Kristo+ a secound round pick.

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03-11-2013, 06:29 PM
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A Perry trade, of any kind, especially at the deadline, will likely be a star-for-star transaction, like Heatley-for-Hossa. Ducks are too good at the moment to sacrifice any of the present for the future. This screams, IMO, for a sign and trade.

Corey Perry (signed for 6 years) for Max Pacioretty and Raphael Diaz. That's the kind of deal that will get you a player of Perry's caliber.
Perry is a UFA, there will be no "star for star" trade.

"Sign and trades" don't happen in the NHL.

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03-11-2013, 06:45 PM
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Perry is a UFA, there will be no "star for star" trade.

"Sign and trades" don't happen in the NHL.
New CBA, new circumstance. Never say never about these kind of things, especially since the teams in question here, Anaheim and Montreal, are both serious playoff contenders. Neither want to give up present for the future, they will only give up present assets if they get present assets back. Age means little here, since we're talking about a trade between two long-term contracts. Habs upgrade by getting a proven PPG commodity at the very top of the league, while Ducks get a 1st line winger that may not be the best in the league, but is still progressing. Also, Perry won't get $9 million, as Getzlaf, an equivalent player that's been even better than Perry this season, just signed for $8.25 million. Part of the reason for the Habs to make such a deal is to get a player signed below perceived market value.


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03-11-2013, 07:00 PM
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between GM's.. not on the official trade rules.
That is called trade tampering and is a crime and results in fines/draft picks revoked.

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New CBA, new circumstance. Never say never about these kind of things, especially since the teams in question here, Anaheim and Montreal, are both serious playoff contenders. Neither want to give up present for the future, they will only give up present assets if they get present assets back. Age means little here, since we're talking about a trade between two long-term contracts. Habs upgrade by getting a proven PPG commodity at the very top of the league, while Ducks get a 1st line winger that may not be the best in the league, but is still progressing. Also, Perry won't get $9 million, as Getzlaf, an equivalent player that's been even better than Perry this season, just signed for $8.25 million. Part of the reason for the Habs to make such a deal is to get a player signed below perceived market value.
What does the new CBA or being serious playoff contenders have to do w sign and trade deals??

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03-11-2013, 08:13 PM
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Absolutely no from Montreal. We should not be mortgaging our future for a possible rental. This seasons a pure bonus for us, lets enjoy it. I hope we can get Perry as a UFA in the off season, but am patient enough to wait until then
You may not like it or want to do it but that's the fair value.

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03-11-2013, 08:14 PM
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A Perry trade, of any kind, especially at the deadline, will likely be a star-for-star transaction, like Heatley-for-Hossa. Ducks are too good at the moment to sacrifice any of the present for the future. This screams, IMO, for a sign and trade.

Corey Perry (signed for 6 years) for Max Pacioretty and Raphael Diaz. That's the kind of deal that will get you a player of Perry's caliber.
First of all cap and budget restrictions will negate a star for star transaction.
Say Perry- for -Gaborik.
Now that defeats the purpose.
Perry for Max straight up would be a steal and your nuts if you thin Montreal would even consider it.
A young affordable star with a high ceiling for a older established all star who wants 9 million isnt equal.

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Why not , considering he will sign with montreal

plekanec - webber - moen - 2 & 5 round

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I see Gionta, Kristo, Moen and picks as variables in an eventual formula.

Gionta + Kristo + 1st of 2013 is a very good base if not sufficient to make it happen.

Yes, I know, Gionta has a NTC. Doesn't hurt to ask...

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