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How teams should be rank: Points or Winning Percentage

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Based on Points 46 68.66%
Based on Winning Percentage 21 31.34%
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03-11-2013, 06:37 PM
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How teams should be rank: Points or Winning Percentage

At present, the NHL does team ranking based on points. A lot of Bruins fans think they should be on top of East Conf. based on winning percentage. TSN also thinks that winning percentage should be used to rank team. What do you think?

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At present, the NHL does team ranking based on points. A lot of Bruins fans think they should be on top of East Conf. based on winning percentage. TSN also thinks that winning percentage should be used to rank team. What do you think?
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Wins and losses

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Points. Games in hand are great to have but they are not a sure thing until you play those games. Who knows, they could be slumping when those games in hand are played.

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Wins and losses
Agreed. Why the NHL can't implement a simple two-column system is beyond me.

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Points. Games in hand are great to have but they are not a sure thing until you play those games. Who knows, they could be slumping when those games in hand are played.
This line of reasoning assumes the team gets no points in their games in hand. WPct (i.e. point percentage) is the most balanced and reasonable approach to ranking teams in the standings, and should be the go-to stat instead of point totals.

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03-11-2013, 07:08 PM
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This line of reasoning assumes the team gets no points in their games in hand. WPct (i.e. point percentage) is the most balanced and reasonable approach to ranking teams in the standings, and should be the go-to stat instead of point totals.
As it should be. You can't assume they would get those points. Just like the scoring leaders aren't listed based on PPG.

Does it really matter though? Season standings don't mean anything until the end of the year

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You can't assume they would get those points.
It goes both ways. You can't assume they would get those points but you also can't assume they won't get them. Points percentage just puts them on an even playing field.

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As it should be. You can't assume they would get those points. Just like the scoring leaders aren't listed based on PPG.

Does it really matter though? Season standings don't mean anything until the end of the year
The Habs has been on top of the East for quite a while and Bruins fans are not happy about it because they could not catch up due to less game played. Right now the Habs are 3 points ahead but the Bruins has 4 games in hand.

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As it should be. You can't assume they would get those points. Just like the scoring leaders aren't listed based on PPG.

Does it really matter though? Season standings don't mean anything until the end of the year
A voice of reason.

But this is a schoolyard type of poll.

Everyone will have played the same number of games when it will really count.

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Points, because that's all that matters is how many actual wins you get, not the rate you're accruing them. Once you hit the end of the season it's the same anyway, and standings before then literally don't mean anything aside from bragging rights.

Edit - and waiver order. Which is more for who's losing than who's winning, really.

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The only time (that I'm aware of) the standings come into play mid season is with the waiver order. And that order is determined by points percentage. Other than that mid season standings are irrelevant.

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You can't rank teams based on win percentage because they haven't actually won the games...now that doesn't mean that the team with the higher amount of wins is "better", but they should most certainly be ranked higher in the standings.

No question about it.

EDIT: TSN said that? Source? Not calling you a liar but I find that very surprising.

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Points. Games in hand are great to have but they are not a sure thing until you play those games. Who knows, they could be slumping when those games in hand are played.
1) like the other guy said, Pts% puts them on an even playing field.

2) Think of it as who's record would you rather have?

Example:
1st place team: 20-12
2nd place team: 19-8

I'd rather have 2nd place teams record...therefor they should be ranked highger. The odds that they pass the 1st place place team is wayyy higher then the odds they don't. Which goes back to point 1.

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It doesn't matter because when it does matter, no one has games in hand on anyone. Bruins fans (or atleast, myself) couldn't care less whether or not we are first in the conference right now.

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You can't rank teams based on win percentage because they haven't actually won the games...now that doesn't mean that the team with the higher amount of wins is "better", but they should most certainly be ranked higher in the standings.

No question about it.

EDIT: TSN said that? Source? Not calling you a liar but I find that very surprising.
I saw TSN at 7:00 PM and one analyst briefly said that the rank should be based on winning percentagee when the panel was discussing about 1st place in the East.

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Basically standings should show the teams with the best records. The best records are the teams with the best winning percentage.

I'm exaggerating to emphasize my point:

team 1: 10-14
Team 2: 9-0

Team 1 should be ranked higher? I think not

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Winning percentage is much more accurate. People generally hate complexity though, so points will win the poll.

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Basically standings should show the teams with the best records. The best records are the teams with the best winning percentage.

I'm exaggerating to emphasize my point:

team 1: 10-14
Team 2: 9-0

Team 1 should be ranked higher? I think not
Absolutely they should: they've won more games so they should be higher in the standings.

Obviously team 2 is better, but that's not what the standings are meant to indicate.

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Absolutely they should: they've won more games so they should be higher in the standings.

Obviously team 2 is better, but that's not what the standings are meant to indicate.
Exactly.

Everything becomes clear by the end of the season....if you're good enough, your wins will be proof enough.

Too many times we've seen teams earn playoff spots courtesy of all those loser points. Or....whoops, "overtime loss points".

Wins should be all that matters.

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i would prefer a ranking based on average like they do in baseball.





And oh would i like the loser point to be removed. so when a team has let's say 33 pts in 30 games, i don't have to start calculating that since they have lost 4 times in overtime they are not really playing over .500

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Winning percentage.

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Goal differential, obviously.

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Points.
It evens out in the end anyway.
Power rankings, etc... usually sort out the game differential discrepancy.

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