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03-12-2013, 12:01 AM
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The only games that I feel like this team has no hope is any game against Boston and even those games have been close.
They were completely outclassed against the Rangers and that first game vs. Boston, although close, seemed like we weren't in it. Other than that, we've been competitive in every game.

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They were completely outclassed against the Rangers and that first game vs. Boston, although close, seemed like we weren't in it. Other than that, we've been competitive in every game.
From my seat there sure have been at least a few close games that looked like we had no business being on the ice.... How many times have we gotten (badly) out shot so far? One could Def make the case that we are merely hangers here .... If one was so inclined.

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03-12-2013, 01:34 AM
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What does Burke want credit for exactly? This team has accomplished diddly squat so far. Hell a couple more losses in a row and this team is almost out of the playoff picture.

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03-12-2013, 02:37 AM
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Burke...just go away. You made some good deals but lets not act like you would have traded Matt Lombardi , put your fellow American on waivers if it was in your hands.

You promised a tough team and didn't live up to it. Nonis didn't promise anything but he's showing a lot of patience with a young team...something he have done.
Nonis said the Lombardi deal was already in place when he made it, meaning Brian Burke already had the trade set and he just finished it off.

Who has Nonis brought in to make the team so tough? The only player is Frazer McLaren, who he got off waivers. Everyone else? Yep, Brian Burke brought them in.

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03-12-2013, 04:59 AM
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Feschuk is an absolute joke of a journalist. You can do (and have done) better with your guest selection. Hate giving this guy any attention.
is there any journalist who is not a joke?or is anyone that doesnt think brian burke was some sort of genious a hack or lousy at his job?
this is getting very old .im sure there are many other journalist and experts around hockey that totally agree with feschuk ,damian cox ,etc.
burke was mediocre at best ...

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03-12-2013, 05:55 AM
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Why exactly are people in such a hurry to thank Burke?

What has he done? Sure he won a lot of his deals...what was the goal though? Winning trades or playoffs?

Burke himself said that Wilson didn't like his teams to be the way he(Burke) wanted and YET he kept him for 3 years..

Burke is a hypocrite. The only person we should be thanking is REIMER. Without him...it's Kessel for 2 2nd overall picks that could have given the Bruins Seguin+Landeskog. Easily one of the worst trades in all of pro sports if that happened.

Thank Burke all you want but the credit goes to Carlyle. Had we played great enough to be 9th last year, Ron Wilson would still be coach.
You mean the guy Burke hired when Wilson fell out of the playoff picture? OK.....

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03-12-2013, 05:56 AM
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Burke deserves credit for being in the drivers seat of an 18 wheeler that went off a cliff (his own words not mine) under his direction.

Nonis and Carlyle immediately came in this season and changed the culture of the team, putting accountability on the players and playing the best ones regardless of age, experience and contract and wiped out "sense of entitlement.

We all heard Burke call a press conference to demote Orr and complain about the rats taking over the league while he iced a small, soft and easily intimidated lineup. Today we see Nonis recalling Orr and adding McLaren and Frazer and making the Leafs one of the most physical teams in the league. Gone are the powder puffs Lombardi, Connolly and exiled Liles.

Hate to think how bad this team would be again if we still had all those small soft players playing each game while Kadri, Frattin and other kids would have be exiled to the AHL like in the past.
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Burke deserves much of the respect. He built a great team imho. His attitude was what did him in...
Burke made as many mistakes as he did good moves.. and he seems to be overlooking that fact, very conveniently. Overall, he did an alright job, but you're bang on in terms of him having a terrible attitude for the Toronto market.

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03-12-2013, 06:31 AM
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Nonis said the Lombardi deal was already in place when he made it, meaning Brian Burke already had the trade set and he just finished it off.

Who has Nonis brought in to make the team so tough? The only player is Frazer McLaren, who he got off waivers. Everyone else? Yep, Brian Burke brought them in.
I think you're discounting the influence Nonis had on the Burke era. Burke seemed preoccupied much of the time, and it has been understood that Nonis had his hand in at the very least one (likely more) of the major trades.

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03-12-2013, 07:40 AM
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I give Burke more credit than most do. We actually have a competitive farm team that made a Calder run. I feel that apart from some bad signings (Komi, Connelly) he made some great deals that has slowly shaped this team. The main thing people brought up during Burke's tenure was the Kessel trade. I said this before and I will say it again. Seguin may not have flourished in Toronto. Leafs Nation has a habit of turning against young players that do not produce right away. No you say? One answer - Kadri. In Sequin's first season he had 22 points in 74GP on a powerhouse Bruins squad. Bruins fans were praising him.

In Toronto, Kadri had 19 points in 50GP and before his breakout here this season, most of Leafs Nation was calling Kadri a bust and would have happily swapped him, Bozak and a pick for Luongo.

As for Dougie Hamilton, I haven't seen anything in his play that would make a Kessel trade difficult to pull off.


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Litmus test: Kool-aid drinkers hate a sports-writer = sports writer is doing a good job.

I wonder who some of these posters are who post these comments that could have been made by 13 year-olds.

Oh, wait...

I'm betting many of the people who post comments without any substance simply bashing anyone who criticizes the Leafs are the same ones who repeatedly threw tantrums last season when anyone dared to call for Wilson to be fired.


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03-12-2013, 07:48 AM
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I think you're discounting the influence Nonis had on the Burke era. Burke seemed preoccupied much of the time, and it has been understood that Nonis had his hand in at the very least one (likely more) of the major trades.
Burke brought in Nonis so again credit goes to Burke as it should.

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03-12-2013, 07:48 AM
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Feschuk is spot on. Any GM would have improved this team after 4 years of finishing near the bottom of the league. It's a wash - clever moves neutralized by stupid moves. The worst was embracing buddy Ron Wilson to the bitter end instead of being true to his employer, the fans, and the players when it became apparent years ago that Wilson was the wrong fit.

And has been said before, now all the news is about the team, not about "look at me, look at me" Brian and buddy Ronny barging their way to the front of the stage like a bad American vaudeville act.

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I give Burke more credit than most do. We actually have a competitive farm team that made a Calder run. I feel that apart from some bad signings (Komi, Connelly) he made some great deals that has slowly shaped this team. The main thing people brought up during Burke's tenure was the Kessel trade. I said this before and I will say it again. Seguin would not flourish in Toronto. Leafs Nation has a habit of turning against young players that do not produce right away. No you say? One answer - Kadri. In Sequin's first season he had 22 points in 74GP on a powerhouse Bruins squad. Bruins fans were praising him.

In Toronto, Kadri had 19 points in 50GP and before his breakout here this season, most of Leafs Nation was calling Kadri a bust and would have happily swapped him, Bozak and a pick for Luongo.

As for Dougie Hamilton, I haven't seen anything in his play that would make a Kessel trade difficult to pull off.
I get so tired when people post crap about how Seguin wouldn't flourish here as an excuse to defend the Kessel trade . I guess you also belive Reilly will be a bust unless we trade him as well since you believe we put to much pressure on our kids .

Some of the posters may have thought Kadri was on the verge of busting while others may believe that when you're trying to aquire a valuable asset you actually have to give up something of value to get him .

And you also seriously think Hamilton is a nothing player ?

You're basically an over the top homer that can't admit that the almighty Leafs actually may have lost a deal .

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I liked Burke when he was here. Lots of good decisions, but can see enough bad ones to justify being replaced. Also, the better Carlyle looks as a coach, the more Burke's "loyalty" to Wilson burns me.

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he should want credit for the Bruins .....considering he's from there

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Pointless article by an awful journalist. If I can take random snippets of an interview, spin it out of context, and add some fluff, does that mean I can work for the Toronto Star, too?

Clearly, Burke hasn't made the best moves, but he's about an average GM. And yes, no player, outside of McLaren, has been acquired during the post-Burke tenure. So, unless you think the Leafs' success is attributable solely to McLaren, Burke is responsible for our record.

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Rather than disect every player/coach personnel decision Burke made, I look at his body of work over his entire tenure here, and I think he falls in bottom 25% of the league. The only teams whose GM's did as bad or worse over that time period in my mind are:

Calgary
Edmonton
Columbus
Colorado
Buffalo
Washington
NYI

Other than these, I think all the other franchises GM's outperformed Burke.

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he should want credit for the Bruins .....considering he's from there
that makes a lot of sense

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What i remember is that Burke put his own ideals before the team.

Now Burkie can go run in the streets with the **** whenever he wants and i won't say a thing.

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Feschuk has an agenda and it's obvious. How can anyone take him seriously anymore?

He's an absolute disgrace to journalism, right up there with Simmons.

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Feschuk is spot on. Any GM would have improved this team after 4 years of finishing near the bottom of the league. It's a wash - clever moves neutralized by stupid moves. The worst was embracing buddy Ron Wilson to the bitter end instead of being true to his employer, the fans, and the players when it became apparent years ago that Wilson was the wrong fit.

And has been said before, now all the news is about the team, not about "look at me, look at me" Brian and buddy Ronny barging their way to the front of the stage like a bad American vaudeville act.
Funny how it hasn't worked for Edmonton. Guess that blows that stupid theory out of the water eh smart guy.

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All fired GM's will logically want credit for their previous body of work, unfortunately they include the reason(s) why they were fired in the first place.

A little self reflection on those past mistakes, of where they went wrong, will go a long way to helping shed light on, and hopefully prevent them from making them again in the future by learning from them.

Burke wanting credit for the Leafs success now would be the equivalent of the Titanic Ship builders demanding credit for designing and creating the "unsinkable ship" that lies at the bottom of the ocean, similarly how Burke's decisions took the Leafs to the bottom of the standings.

Can't have it both ways, as the good that remains is referred to the "silver lining" outcome of a bad situation.

For example Burke can take full credit for Morgan Rielly being a Maple Leaf prospect today.. As it was his decisions in team building, that resulted in the "silver lining" draft pick awarded to Toronto by the NHL for team failure. It wasn't what Burke did right, that earned the Leafs an improvement to their prospect pool today by Rielly's existence, but rather what he did wrong. Burke's inabilities to ice a competitive hockey team, his main job responsibility is the true reason for why Rielly is here and he is not.

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I said this before and I will say it again. Seguin would not flourish in Toronto. Leafs Nation has a habit of turning against young players that do not produce right away. No you say? One answer - Kadri. In Sequin's first season he had 22 points in 74GP on a powerhouse Bruins squad. Bruins fans were praising him.

In Toronto, Kadri had 19 points in 50GP and before his breakout here this season, most of Leafs Nation was calling Kadri a bust and would have happily swapped him, Bozak and a pick for Luongo.
Kadri is flourishing in Toronto before our eyes. There's no real reason to believe Seguin wouldn't either. Baseless.

Take the blue and white goggles off. Your post stinks of homerism.

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I think you're discounting the influence Nonis had on the Burke era. Burke seemed preoccupied much of the time, and it has been understood that Nonis had his hand in at the very least one (likely more) of the major trades.
So they fired the wrong guy?

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