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Jake Gardiner for a # 1 centre?

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03-12-2013, 08:56 AM
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Jake Gardiner for a # 1 centre?

Which centre would you be willing to trade for Jake Gardiner or Jake Gardiner + if necessary

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03-12-2013, 09:03 AM
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Which centre would you be willing to trade for Jake Gardiner or Jake Gardiner + if necessary
I'd try to trade for Malkin or Datsyuk. Seems reasonable. After you do that trade, what do you think about JVR for Jordan Caron??

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A) By himself, Gardiner does not land us a #1 centre of any real quality.

B) Why do we want to trade Gardiner in the first place? I know the idea is all the rage lately, but it would be a very bad move on the Leafs part. D with his potential don't grow on trees.

C) Why don't we just trade him for Bozak, and no damage done?

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Which centre would you be willing to trade for Jake Gardiner or Jake Gardiner + if necessary
Probably our best trading chip. Him or Rielly. I doubt carlysle system will have room for both of these guys anyhow.

getzy would of been ideal out of anaheim.

Maybe Gardiner + and try and pry Duchene out of Colorado, but not sure how likely that would be.

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I'd try to trade for Malkin or Datsyuk. Seems reasonable. After you do that trade, what do you think about JVR for Jordan Caron??
Would think it would have to be a big + with gardiner to get one of these guys, leafs need a #1C but not at the expense of gutting all depth.

I would rather JVR. Breakout season for the kid, plays great with kessel too.

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Probably our best trading chip. Him or Rielly. I doubt carlysle system will have room for both of these guys anyhow.

getzy would of been ideal out of anaheim.

Maybe Gardiner + and try and pry Duchene out of Colorado, but not sure how likely that would be.
Considering we robbed Gardiner out of Anaheim.

I don't see them trading any of there star players for him.

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As long as hes playing the AHL he'll be undervalued on the trade forum.

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You are not getting a traditional 1C without a significant overpayment.

The Leafs are going to have to draft one and develop one themselves.

Carlyle is no dummy. He is scrapping the traditional 1-2 lines and making 2x 1B lines and
giving more minutes to the 2nd.

Good coaches adapt. The Leafs are doing well so far with what they have.

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Probably our best trading chip. Him or Rielly. I doubt carlysle system will have room for both of these guys anyhow.

getzy would of been ideal out of anaheim.

Maybe Gardiner + and try and pry Duchene out of Colorado, but not sure how likely that would be.
Yeah...gardiner will not bring back Duchene. Ever

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Maybe Gardiner + and try and pry Duchene out of Colorado, but not sure how likely that would be.
Haha that actually made me lol you honestly think the avs would trade there number 1 centre whose producing at over a ppg and only getting better. He's there franchise player.

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Probably our best trading chip. Him or Rielly. I doubt carlysle system will have room for both of these guys anyhow.

getzy would of been ideal out of anaheim.

Maybe Gardiner + and try and pry Duchene out of Colorado, but not sure how likely that would be.
Duchene ship has sailed. No way could we even pry him from the get go without dealing Rielly++

If Gardiner is moving in a straight swap (or small +) for a #1C, only thing we can (or rather should) expect is a bloated contract. Richards (Brad or Mike, moreso Brad), Stastny, Ribeiro (with an extension), etc.

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We aint getting a #1C just for Jake.

And he's not going anywhere.

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A) By himself, Gardiner does not land us a #1 centre of any real quality.

B) Why do we want to trade Gardiner in the first place? I know the idea is all the rage lately, but it would be a very bad move on the Leafs part. D with his potential don't grow on trees.

C) Why don't we just trade him for Bozak, and no damage done?
I was thinking the same as B. Why is Gardiner thrown into every Leafs proposal? He should be a guy you build with.

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He can't bring in a proven #1 Centre. He simply does not have the value.

-He could be used to get a prospect/young player with a decent chance of becoming a #1 C, but only if that organization badly needs a Dman and doesn't really need a Centre (aka Gardiner for Strome could make sense value wise, but not team-needs wise for the NYI).

Probably the closest thing that makes sense for this type of trade would be Couturier from Philly since they really need some D to build around and have Giroux/Schenn (not saying in a 1 for 1 deal, I don't want to bicker back and forth about who's worth slightly more than whom)

- Or he could be used to get a proven 1B/2A type of Centre with Toronto adding another piece. Aka if we had him when the M. Richards to LA deal went down, we probably could have done the trade instead of LA if we used Gardiner+. Stastny is probably the best example of this right now.

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Haha that actually made me lol you honestly think the avs would trade there number 1 centre whose producing at over a ppg and only getting better. He's there franchise player.
Nobody is untouchable, every player has a price. Franchise players have been traded before.

Allbeit i do agree it would most likely look like Gardiner ++

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I was thinking the same as B. Why is Gardiner thrown into every Leafs proposal? He should be a guy you build with.
Some people have short memory.

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Which centre would you be willing to trade for Jake Gardiner or Jake Gardiner + if necessary
Gardiner will not garner a top level number 1 center, but he might return a young developing center with #1 potential. Perhaps Edmonton would be willing to work a deal around Sam Gagne?

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He can't bring in a proven #1 Centre. He simply does not have the value.

-He could be used to get a prospect/young player with a decent chance of becoming a #1 C, but only if that organization badly needs a Dman and doesn't really need a Centre (aka Gardiner for Strome could make sense value wise, but not team-needs wise for the NYI).

Probably the closest thing that makes sense for this type of trade would be Couturier from Philly since they really need some D to build around and have Giroux/Schenn (not saying in a 1 for 1 deal, I don't want to bicker back and forth about who's worth slightly more than whom)

- Or he could be used to get a proven 1B/2A type of Centre with Toronto adding another piece. Aka if we had him when the M. Richards to LA deal went down, we probably could have done the trade instead of LA if we used Gardiner+. Stastny is probably the best example of this right now.
Good post. Gardiner is coming 23 (or is it 24?) A lot of scouts might think he's reached his ceiling, so his value might be lower than people realize.

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Stastny doesn't look like a top flight #1 right now but there is still upside to his game. He's only a few years from being near PPG

Gagner on the Oilers is perpetually underrated. He's continually exceeded expectations and IMO he would thrive as a developing team's #1C.

Both teams are desperate for Dmen and have a glut of forward talent. The real question is, would the Leafs be willing to bank on the potential of one of them?

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If all else fails, we can just convert him into our #1 C.

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Nobody is untouchable, every player has a price. Franchise players have been traded before.

Allbeit i do agree it would most likely look like Gardiner ++
I never said he is untouchable but that plus is going to have to be huge not multiple pieces. Like bozak and a 2nd.

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As long as hes playing the AHL he'll be undervalued on the trade forum.
When the coach prefers to play AHLers such as Holzer, Kostka and Fraser over him, it says something about how he is viewed by the coach.

I realize Leafs would prefer to trade a player to make room and Gardiner missed games with a concussion, but if Carlyle thought Gardiner would increase the chances of making the playoffs, Gardiner would be up with the Leafs.

I don't think it affects his trade value much though.

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If all else fails, we can just convert him into our #1 C.
He did play forward when he was younger. Hmmmmmmmmmm

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Probably our best trading chip. Him or Rielly. I doubt carlysle system will have room for both of these guys anyhow.

getzy would of been ideal out of anaheim.

Maybe Gardiner + and try and pry Duchene out of Colorado, but not sure how likely that would be.
Depends on the plus. Avs would need to replace a center, and could use help on defense. Gardiner, Bozak, and Komisarek for Duchene.

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Depends on the plus. Avs would need to replace a center, and could use help on defense. Gardiner, Bozak, and Komisarek for Duchene.
I would think if the Avs made Duchene available, they could get a better package than that.

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