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03-11-2013, 11:38 PM
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Cup winning d in. Tampa was the worst I had ever seen hoist the cup. Thiis d is better imo. U need a good goalie. It's amazing how a great keeper hides poor d.
You have to be trolling me......

Dan Boyle....In prime Pavel Kubina (Tail end, but there none the less.)
Darryl Sydor Cory Sarich
Brad Lukowich Jassen Cullimore
Nolan Pratt, Darren Rumble
Stanislav Neckar.

Trumped anything we had since, by a very very large margin. Please tell me you were forgetting your ?

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03-12-2013, 10:27 AM
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You have to be trolling me......

Dan Boyle....In prime Pavel Kubina (Tail end, but there none the less.)
Darryl Sydor Cory Sarich
Brad Lukowich Jassen Cullimore
Nolan Pratt, Darren Rumble
Stanislav Neckar.

Trumped anything we had since, by a very very large margin. Please tell me you were forgetting your ?
Not trolling at all. TB and Carolina had the worst cup winning D I have ever seen, overall not even in the top half of the league in those years. So it is possible to win the cup without an all star cast on the back-end. I think the bottom end on that Tampa roster is as bad as the current crew. I'll grant you that Boyle is >>>>>Carle as an offensive d-man. But I think Hedman is better than Kubina in his prime.

also........

Neckar was not on that team
Rumble did not play in the playoffs
I think Nolan Pratt was the #6 that year
Ben Clymer also got games.

Overall not a great crew.


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03-12-2013, 10:57 AM
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Not trolling at all. TB and Carolina had the worst cup winning D I have ever seen, overall not even in the top half of the league in those years. So it is possible to win the cup without an all star cast on the back-end. I think the bottom end on that Tampa roster is as bad as the current crew. I'll grant you that Boyle is >>>>>Carle as an offensive d-man. But I think Hedman is better than Kubina in his prime.

also........

Neckar was not on that team
Rumble did not play in the playoffs
I think Nolan Pratt was the #6 that year
Ben Clymer also got games.

Overall not a great crew.
What makes you say they weren't a great crew? The fact that they didn't put up points? The key thing about them is that they weren't ******* that were scared to use their bodies. We have talent on our D now, but it's too soft.

Edit: Another showing of how defensively solid they were is that not a single one finished with a minus except for Sydor who we got from Columbus. I'm sure his -16 was much worse before he came to the Bolts. I know that +/- isn't the best indicator of defensive play, but the fact that not one was a minus with the Bolts goes to show how good they were defensively.

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03-12-2013, 11:14 AM
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What makes you say they weren't a great crew? The fact that they didn't put up points? The key thing about them is that they weren't ******* that were scared to use their bodies. We have talent on our D now, but it's too soft.

Edit: Another showing of how defensively solid they were is that not a single one finished with a minus except for Sydor who we got from Columbus. I'm sure his -16 was much worse before he came to the Bolts. I know that +/- isn't the best indicator of defensive play, but the fact that not one was a minus with the Bolts goes to show how good they were defensively.
It also shows you that we had an outstanding goaltender who had a .933 sv% and a 1.71 GAA in the playoffs. That cup run was more about the whole team playing like a well-oiled unit with several contributing on offense, than about the defensive group which I found to be very average.

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It also shows you that we had an outstanding goaltender who had a .933 sv% and a 1.71 GAA in the playoffs. That cup run was more about the whole team playing like a well-oiled unit with several contributing on offense, than about the defensive group which I found to be very average.
I only checked into regular season stats, and Khabibulin had a 91.0% and a 2.33 GAA that season.

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I only checked into regular season stats, and Khabibulin had a 91.0% and a 2.33 GAA that season.
The difference was we also had John Grahame backing him up and he also compiled a .913 sv% and 2.06 GAA that year in 29 games. He was a solid back-up and together with Bulin, they were arguably one of the best goalie tandems in the league. The defense was still average throughout the regular season, we were just a well-drilled side.

In regards to your original point, in terms of individual talent, there isn't much of a discrepancy between the two defensive units. However, the whole team was more willing to play for one another back then and there was more consistency and familiarity. Also, you're right that the major difference was that the defense was more aggressive and willing to take the body.

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The difference was we also had John Grahame backing him up and he also compiled a .913 sv% and 2.06 GAA that year in 29 games. He was a solid back-up and together with Bulin, they were arguably one of the best goalie tandems in the league. The defense was still average throughout the regular season, we were just a well-drilled side.

In regards to your original point, in terms of individual talent, there isn't much of a discrepancy between the two defensive units. However, the whole team was more willing to play for one another back then and there was more consistency and familiarity. Also, you're right that the major difference was that the defense was more aggressive and willing to take the body.
There was most consistency and familiarity because the wasn't a different guy playing beside you from one period to the other.

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03-13-2013, 08:16 PM
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Ottawa fan here, and I have a few questions for you guys.

I notice that PC Labrie is a free agent this off season, do you think he gets traded at the deadline?

If you expect him to get traded, what is his trade value?

And overall, how has he played in Tampa? I've seen him play for Syracuse and found that he was a very effective physical player/agitator. Has he been able to replicate any of his AHL play in the NHL?

Thanks for the responses.

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03-13-2013, 08:57 PM
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Wouldn't call Labrie an agitator, he has been more or less our "heavyweight" at the NHL level. He has played well since his conditioning stint, and he's a valuable player in the AHL. I'm hoping we re-sign him.

He has little to no trade value, I doubt he gets dealt.

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Eh, I wouldn't call him a heavyweight.

He has his role though and is a great kid. I love the hustle and anger he brings since he came back up - he was extremely timid at the start of the year.

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Right now, teams believe they are chasing the same guys. On Hotstove, we mentioned Ryane Clowe, Derek Roy and Brenden Morrow (who, as of Saturday, had not been asked to waive his no-trade). Some other examples likely would be Robyn Regehr and Nate Thompson, who a few teams seem to like.

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Of course teams like him... solid defensive 4th line center.

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Any interest in Miller guys?

Something around Lindback, Kucherov maybe Aulie?

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Any interest in Miller guys?

Something around Lindback, Kucherov maybe Aulie?
Personally I'd probably do that trade.. depending on what Miller's plans are.

But I'm not sure if that is Yzerman's plan. They didn't get Lindbäck just to give up on him after one shortened season.

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Any interest in Miller guys?

Something around Lindback, Kucherov maybe Aulie?
No thanks.

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Any interest in Miller guys?

Something around Lindback, Kucherov maybe Aulie?
Absolutely not! The value may be fair but makes no sense. Lindback is looking more and more like a true #1, Aulie is becoming a solid defender and Kucherov has ridiculous offensive potential.
Miller is getting older, hasn't been as good as he was in the past and is a UFA after next season.
SY is building for the future and this is the opposite of all that.

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Not a trade but no surprise, told you guys about this a while ago, we're popping up with some interest in Sustr.

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Oh and that we want to sign Witkowski.

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Oh and that we want to sign Witkowski.
And DeKeyser

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And DeKeyser
Witkowski and DeKeyser are teammates and a good pairing. Hopefully Witkowski can talk him into signing with us.

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Might be the wrong area to put this, but what happened to Andrej Sustr when he came to camp. I can't necessarily remember why he didn't sign out of camp?

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Might be the wrong area to put this, but what happened to Andrej Sustr when he came to camp. I can't necessarily remember why he didn't sign out of camp?
They weren't allowed to. If a NCAA player signs a pro contract, he is ineligble to play a NCAA game again in his life. So we must wait until he says he want to leave college.

And it seems as it is not this year, he said, he would only leave if HE is sure he can stay in the NHL right away. And he really wants his degree, so expect him to stay another year in college.

I think the chance to get DeKeyser is 50/50 with Detroit. I really hope Witkowski and SY can win us the battle.

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They weren't allowed to. If a NCAA player signs a pro contract, he is ineligble to play a NCAA game again in his life. So we must wait until he says he want to leave college.

And it seems as it is not this year, he said, he would only leave if HE is sure he can stay in the NHL right away. And he really wants his degree, so expect him to stay another year in college.

I think the chance to get DeKeyser is 50/50 with Detroit. I really hope Witkowski and SY can win us the battle.
McKenzie reported that he's leaving college.

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UNO's college season ended on the weekend. Sustr will weigh his options, and he has many, this week. No rush or timetable on a decision.

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No surprise, but Andrej Sustr, 6-foot-8 Univ of Nebraska-Omaha junior dman (UFA), has officially decided to leave school/field NHL offers.

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Witkowski and DeKeyser are teammates and a good pairing. Hopefully Witkowski can talk him into signing with us.
Dream on If you think Tampa Bay has a shot at DeKeyser he will be staying home and playing for the Red Wings Ken Holland has pretty much guarenteed him a starting job on defense there as bad as it is.

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They weren't allowed to. If a NCAA player signs a pro contract, he is ineligble to play a NCAA game again in his life. So we must wait until he says he want to leave college.

And it seems as it is not this year, he said, he would only leave if HE is sure he can stay in the NHL right away. And he really wants his degree, so expect him to stay another year in college.

I think the chance to get DeKeyser is 50/50 with Detroit. I really hope Witkowski and SY can win us the battle.
Tampa Bay can have Sustr But Detroit lays claim to DeKeyser, Guarentee that Detroit will throw every thing to land DeKeyser.

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