HFBoards

Go Back   HFBoards > NHL Eastern Conference > Metropolitan Division > Philadelphia Flyers
Mobile Hockey's Future Become a Sponsor Site Rules Support Forum vBookie Page 2
Notices

Danny Briere: activated Apr. 11 (concussion Mar. 25); Q and A article Apr. 11

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old
03-09-2013, 06:59 PM
  #451
SolidSnakeUS
Registered User
 
SolidSnakeUS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Pipersville, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 33,527
vCash: 500
So Briere and Bryz gone, will make everything better? Am I right in assuming that? Funny, because I feel if we get rid of both by the off-season, we will still be in the same ****ing hole we are in right now. But I guess the cap situation a non-factor, it makes losing feel better? It won't feel as bad to lose?

Funny, so many people don't want a knee jerk trade from Homer, yet they are doing knee jerk reactions with Bryz.

SolidSnakeUS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-09-2013, 07:06 PM
  #452
Beef Invictus
Global Moderator
Doof Warrior
 
Beef Invictus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Centreville
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 50,193
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolidSnakeUS View Post
So Briere and Bryz gone, will make everything better? Am I right in assuming that? Funny, because I feel if we get rid of both by the off-season, we will still be in the same ****ing hole we are in right now. But I guess the cap situation a non-factor, it makes losing feel better? It won't feel as bad to lose?

Funny, so many people don't want a knee jerk trade from Homer, yet they are doing knee jerk reactions with Bryz.
A knee jerk reaction? He has been with the team for a little over 40 weeks. He has played well, consistently, for about 6 total weeks.

How the hell is that acceptable?

What's better? Shedding dead cap weight and using the space to rebuild, or sticking with the cap anchors and not being able to change anything?

__________________
Down in the basement, I've got a Craftsman lathe. Show it to the children when they misbehave.
Beef Invictus is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-09-2013, 07:08 PM
  #453
SolidSnakeUS
Registered User
 
SolidSnakeUS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Pipersville, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 33,527
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beef Invictus View Post
A knee jerk reaction? He has been with the team for a little over 40 weeks. He has played well, consistently, for about 6 total weeks.

How the hell is that acceptable?

What's better? Shedding dead cap weight and using the space to rebuild, or sticking with the cap anchors and not being able to change anything?
Don't worry, Leighton has come up from the AHL to save us all. We can still stack up and get contracts and sign people. Even if you have 5 or 6 million in cap space for the next season with a full roster and Pronger's cap still on the hit, we have a lot of room to work with (with Briere gone).

SolidSnakeUS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-09-2013, 07:57 PM
  #454
CS
Bryzgalov's Blueline
 
CS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Lumberton, NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 14,007
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolidSnakeUS View Post
So Briere and Bryz gone, will make everything better? Am I right in assuming that?
We can't be that much ****ing worse.

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Simmonds - Schenn - Read
Laughton - Couturier - McGinn
Rinaldo - Talbot - xxxxxxx

Coburn - Grossmann
Gustafsson - Schenn
xxxxxx - xxxxxx

xxxxxxx
xxxxxxx

CS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-09-2013, 08:00 PM
  #455
Tripod
Registered User
 
Tripod's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Nova Scotia
Country: Canada
Posts: 14,916
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by SolidSnakeUS View Post
So Briere and Bryz gone, will make everything better? Am I right in assuming that? Funny, because I feel if we get rid of both by the off-season, we will still be in the same ****ing hole we are in right now. But I guess the cap situation a non-factor, it makes losing feel better? It won't feel as bad to lose?

Funny, so many people don't want a knee jerk trade from Homer, yet they are doing knee jerk reactions with Bryz.
they issue is...if you don't correct the Bryz signing this summer or next...then you have no chance to do so.

Tripod is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-09-2013, 08:36 PM
  #456
1865
Registered User
 
1865's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Chester, UK
Country: England
Posts: 10,163
vCash: 500
**** off Briere, you're anonymous at best and a complete liability for the rest of the time.

I can handle players not scoring, but to put in such little effort whilst struggling appalls me.

1865 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-11-2013, 06:06 PM
  #457
1865
Registered User
 
1865's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Chester, UK
Country: England
Posts: 10,163
vCash: 500
Interesting decision to go for a line change as Buffalo scored their first last night.

Anything for the cause Danny.

1865 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-11-2013, 06:25 PM
  #458
DrHamburg
Registered User
 
DrHamburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 1,342
vCash: 500
Brieres defense is just atrocious. You need to take what you can get for him. You can move him for a pick. If you can get a first you take it, personally I'd accept a couple of seconds. The problem is you can get the same production at half the cost. Look at matt read, even if you extend him he will be at least 3 million dollars less than briere with the same production.

DrHamburg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-11-2013, 06:32 PM
  #459
FLYERSFAN18
Registered User
 
FLYERSFAN18's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Florida
Country: United States
Posts: 2,099
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrHamburg View Post
Brieres defense is just atrocious. You need to take what you can get for him. You can move him for a pick. If you can get a first you take it, personally I'd accept a couple of seconds. The problem is you can get the same production at half the cost. Look at matt read, even if you extend him he will be at least 3 million dollars less than briere with the same production.
To me it doesn't really matter what we could get for him at this point. If he is going to continue to play like he has this season than I would take whatever I could get and save the amnesty buyout that we would have had to use on him

FLYERSFAN18 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-11-2013, 06:39 PM
  #460
DrHamburg
Registered User
 
DrHamburg's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: New York
Country: United States
Posts: 1,342
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by FLYERSFAN18 View Post
To me it doesn't really matter what we could get for him at this point. If he is going to continue to play like he has this season than I would take whatever I could get and save the amnesty buyout that we would have had to use on him
Agreed, he should be moved sooner rather than later. On this team his lack of effort on the defensive side really kills the team.

DrHamburg is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-11-2013, 06:48 PM
  #461
BrimFullofAsham45
Registered User
 
BrimFullofAsham45's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Country: United States
Posts: 1,526
vCash: 500
If we trade Briere (should be a matter of when and not if) I think the return will be much better than most of us are expecting. His playoff record speaks for itself and there is no doubt of his abilities in spite of his recent struggles. Since his cap hit post-trade will be quite absorbable, I reckon there will be one more than one team bidding for his services.

The NMC of course is a wrench in the spokes, but hopefully it doesn't limit our options too much.

BrimFullofAsham45 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-11-2013, 06:58 PM
  #462
Bernie Parent 1974
Registered User
 
Bernie Parent 1974's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Country: United States
Posts: 3,395
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1865 View Post
Interesting decision to go for a line change as Buffalo scored their first last night.

Anything for the cause Danny.
at least it wasn't OT in the playoffs ..... like last year .....

Bernie Parent 1974 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-11-2013, 06:59 PM
  #463
Flyersfan1493
Formerly Go For It
 
Flyersfan1493's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Collegeville, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 4,639
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bernie Parent 1974 View Post
at least it wasn't OT in the playoffs ..... like last year .....
It's almost as bad as scoring on your own net...

Flyersfan1493 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-11-2013, 07:13 PM
  #464
WeekendAtBernies
Registered User
 
WeekendAtBernies's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Posts: 2,716
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Go For It View Post
It's almost as bad as scoring on your own net...


You get a big . Well done.

WeekendAtBernies is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-11-2013, 07:38 PM
  #465
Bernie Parent 1974
Registered User
 
Bernie Parent 1974's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Country: United States
Posts: 3,395
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Go For It View Post
It's almost as bad as scoring on your own net...
umm, no, actually it's far worse to make his series of mistakes coupled with his typical lazy play in OT, that lead to an immediate game ending goal.

at least the mistake that Bryz made when Kimmo dumped the puck back to our great puck handling goalie ....... errrr, ummm, wait, no, that's Bryz [never known as a good puckhandler to that point, probably not a smart move, Kimmo] occurred with 47 minutes left in the game, so the team had time to overcome it.

Danny's turnover / poor coverage after & subsequent leisurely saunter over to the nice comfy bench, which lead to an immediate game ending goal was far worse: by definition- the game was O V E R - zero chance to come back. But this thread isn't about the Kimmo / Bryz regulation time mistake. It's about Danny .... and his game-ending OT typical turnover, poor coverage & lazy play






Last edited by Bernie Parent 1974: 03-12-2013 at 08:39 AM.
Bernie Parent 1974 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-11-2013, 08:09 PM
  #466
Beef Invictus
Global Moderator
Doof Warrior
 
Beef Invictus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Centreville
Country: Lord Howe Island
Posts: 50,193
vCash: 500
I guess all of Briere's turnovers aren't his fault this year, either. Everyone should know he's struggling, so giving him the puck isn't a good idea.

Beef Invictus is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-11-2013, 08:18 PM
  #467
NHLAlert
@nhl_alert
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Uberlandia
Country: Brazil
Posts: 602
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beef Invictus View Post
I guess all of Briere's turnovers aren't his fault this year, either. Everyone should know he's struggling, so giving him the puck isn't a good idea.
Not that I don't agree with you but if that were the case, why put couturier on the first power play unit(like he was last night)? He's been struggling mightily offensively as well. I know simmonds was in the box, but there's others who could have stepped in there

NHLAlert is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2013, 11:50 AM
  #468
BillDineen
Registered User
 
BillDineen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 3,877
vCash: 500
Cap Issue in summer 2014:

Let's assume:
Giroux resigns for 8.25mm (might be high depending on how many UFA years he gives up)
Schenn resigns for 3mm (might be low if his production keeps improving)
Couturier resigns for 2.25mm
Read resigns for 4mm

That leaves (Cousins Noebels Heeter are examples of cheaper salaries):

Briere 6.500
Voracek 4.250
Hartnell 4.750
Giroux 8.250
Schenn 3.000
Talbot 1.750
Simmonds 3.975
Couturier 2.250
Read 4.000
Rinaldo 0.750
Laughton 1.138
Noebels 0.749
Cousins 0.925

Forwards 42.287

Coburn 4.500
Schenn 3.600
Grossmann 3.500
Gustafsson 0.900
5/6 1.000
5/6 1.000
6/7 0.750

Defense 15.250

Bryzgalov 5.667
Heeter 0.850
Goalies 6.517

Total 64.053

Current Cap 64.300

+5% 67.515

That leaves the Flyers with a hopeless D. I don't see how they don't trade Briere or Buyout Bryz if they want to keep Read and not have one of the worst D groups in the league.

BillDineen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2013, 11:54 AM
  #469
BrimFullofAsham45
Registered User
 
BrimFullofAsham45's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Country: United States
Posts: 1,526
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillDineen View Post
Cap Issue in summer 2014:

Let's assume:
Giroux resigns for 8.25mm (might be high depending on how many UFA years he gives up)
Schenn resigns for 3mm (might be low if his production keeps improving)
Couturier resigns for 2.25mm
Read resigns for 4mm

That leaves (Cousins Noebels Heeter are examples of cheaper salaries):

Briere 6.500
Voracek 4.250
Hartnell 4.750
Giroux 8.250
Schenn 3.000
Talbot 1.750
Simmonds 3.975
Couturier 2.250
Read 4.000
Rinaldo 0.750
Laughton 1.138
Noebels 0.749
Cousins 0.925

Forwards 42.287

Coburn 4.500
Schenn 3.600
Grossmann 3.500
Gustafsson 0.900
5/6 1.000
5/6 1.000
6/7 0.750

Defense 15.250

Bryzgalov 5.667
Heeter 0.850
Goalies 6.517

Total 64.053

Current Cap 64.300

+5% 67.515

That leaves the Flyers with a hopeless D. I don't see how they don't trade Briere or Buyout Bryz if they want to keep Read and not have one of the worst D groups in the league.
Hopefully Bryz, Briere, and Coburn will be gone.

Also, though its not a popular idea I think after his contract Read will not be a Flyer either.

BrimFullofAsham45 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2013, 11:54 AM
  #470
SolidSnakeUS
Registered User
 
SolidSnakeUS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Pipersville, PA
Country: United States
Posts: 33,527
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BillDineen View Post
Cap Issue in summer 2014:

Let's assume:
Giroux resigns for 8.25mm (might be high depending on how many UFA years he gives up)
Schenn resigns for 3mm (might be low if his production keeps improving)
Couturier resigns for 2.25mm
Read resigns for 4mm

That leaves (Cousins Noebels Heeter are examples of cheaper salaries):

Briere 6.500
Voracek 4.250
Hartnell 4.750
Giroux 8.250
Schenn 3.000
Talbot 1.750
Simmonds 3.975
Couturier 2.250
Read 4.000
Rinaldo 0.750
Laughton 1.138
Noebels 0.749
Cousins 0.925

Forwards 42.287

Coburn 4.500
Schenn 3.600
Grossmann 3.500
Gustafsson 0.900
5/6 1.000
5/6 1.000
6/7 0.750

Defense 15.250

Bryzgalov 5.667
Heeter 0.850
Goalies 6.517

Total 64.053

Current Cap 64.300

+5% 67.515

That leaves the Flyers with a hopeless D. I don't see how they don't trade Briere or Buyout Bryz if they want to keep Read and not have one of the worst D groups in the league.
Briere gets traded or amnestied by the next off season at the latest. End of story.

SolidSnakeUS is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2013, 11:58 AM
  #471
FlyersFan61290
Registered User
 
FlyersFan61290's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Country: United States
Posts: 9,330
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrimFullofAsham45 View Post
Hopefully Bryz, Briere, and Coburn will be gone.


Quote:
Originally Posted by SolidSnakeUS View Post
Briere gets traded or amnestied by the next off season at the latest. End of story.
This

FlyersFan61290 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2013, 01:14 PM
  #472
BrimFullofAsham45
Registered User
 
BrimFullofAsham45's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Country: United States
Posts: 1,526
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyersFan61290 View Post
Is this a joke?

I've been watching Coburn for enough years to know that his hockey sense quotient is not high enough to be a shutdown defenseman and to expect him to be anything but a goat offensively is highly delusion. Are we going to continue collecting mediocre defensemen?

The cap is shrinking and 4.5 million is quite a large chunk. With Grossmann and possibly Schenn surpassing him, why keep him around another 3 years?

BrimFullofAsham45 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2013, 01:20 PM
  #473
FlyersFan61290
Registered User
 
FlyersFan61290's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Philadelphia
Country: United States
Posts: 9,330
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrimFullofAsham45 View Post
Is this a joke?

I've been watching Coburn for enough years to know that his hockey sense quotient is not high enough to be a shutdown defenseman and to expect him to be anything but a goat offensively is highly delusion. Are we going to continue collecting mediocre defensemen?

The cap is shrinking and 4.5 million is quite a large chunk. With Grossmann and possibly Schenn surpassing him, why keep him around another 3 years?
the guy has played like crap this year along with the rest of the team and he's grouped in with bryz and briere. surely you can't be serious. he was very good last year and he's about to hit his prime for a d-man. but by all means move him and get someone better for 4.5mil. and btw the cap will not continue to shrink, it'll be going back up in a couple yrs not like it was with the previous cba but it sure as hell won't continue to shrink.

FlyersFan61290 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2013, 02:16 PM
  #474
BrimFullofAsham45
Registered User
 
BrimFullofAsham45's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Country: United States
Posts: 1,526
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by FlyersFan61290 View Post
the guy has played like crap this year along with the rest of the team and he's grouped in with bryz and briere. surely you can't be serious. he was very good last year and he's about to hit his prime for a d-man. but by all means move him and get someone better for 4.5mil. and btw the cap will not continue to shrink, it'll be going back up in a couple yrs not like it was with the previous cba but it sure as hell won't continue to shrink.
There's a reason why the Flyers' defense is a laughingstock among many casual observers around these boards. Is it unfair to single out Coburn? Perhaps.

There's also a reason why the Flyers have failed miserably this year in so many ways. Is it unfair to single out Coburn here? I don't think so. The Flyers currently lack a puck moving defenseman and a PPQB. Do you realize the Flyers only put one defenseman consistently on our collective powerplays? If the Flyers had someone to play those roles I guarantee we'd be a better team. Coburn is unable to do either, and he's not physical nor smart enough defensively to make up for it.

Coburn has failed time and time again to make strides towards being a more complete player. He's regressing; NOT reaching his "prime". He had a "good" year last year? By "good" do you mean inconsistent and mediocre?

And as far as the last statement re: cap... good luck with that one.

BrimFullofAsham45 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old
03-12-2013, 02:22 PM
  #475
CS
Bryzgalov's Blueline
 
CS's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Lumberton, NJ
Country: United States
Posts: 14,007
vCash: 500
Quote:
Originally Posted by BrimFullofAsham45 View Post
There's a reason why the Flyers' defense is a laughingstock among many casual observers around these boards. Is it unfair to single out Coburn? Perhaps.

There's also a reason why the Flyers have failed miserably this year in so many ways. Is it unfair to single out Coburn here? I don't think so. The Flyers currently lack a puck moving defenseman and a PPQB. Do you realize the Flyers only put one defenseman consistently on our collective powerplays? If the Flyers had someone to play those roles I guarantee we'd be a better team. Coburn is unable to do either, and he's not physical nor smart enough defensively to make up for it.

Coburn has failed time and time again to make strides towards being a more complete player. He's regressing; NOT reaching his "prime". He had a "good" year last year? By "good" do you mean inconsistent and mediocre?

And as far as the last statement re: cap... good luck with that one.
The Flyers defense is a laughing stock while blocking the most shots in the NHL and being top 5 in shots against per game.

If anyone is a laughing stock, it's Bryz.

CS is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Forum Jump


Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:07 AM.

monitoring_string = "e4251c93e2ba248d29da988d93bf5144"
Contact Us - HFBoards - Archive - Privacy Statement - Terms of Use - Advertise - Top - AdChoices

vBulletin Copyright ©2000 - 2015, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
HFBoards.com is a property of CraveOnline Media, LLC, an Evolve Media, LLC company. 2015 All Rights Reserved.