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03-12-2013, 07:52 PM
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This is my first proposal on the main board so I hope it at least is decent. It's no secret the Oilers need help on D and I have read that New York needs help on rw for there top line. My proposal is probably hard for both teams but I feel with the amount of good D NYR have and the amount of skilled forwards EDM has this should work.

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Mcdonagh


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Eberle

I know high end D are more valuable then high end wingers so if this isn't good enough value would adding ana 2nd work?

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03-12-2013, 07:57 PM
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rangers already have a logjam at RW with nash, callahan, and gaborik and aren't trading mcdonaugh so that's that. rangers need right handed D and better center or left wing depth.

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I have read that New York needs help on rw for there top line.
Where did you read this?

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EDM is not going to add.

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Where did you read this?
On the oilers board a poster said you need a true
top line rw since nash and gaborik prefer lw? Idk just what I read

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On the oilers board a poster said you need a true
top line rw since nash and gaborik prefer lw? Idk just what I read
Nash prefers the RW, as do Gaborik and Callahan. We're set there. Overloaded if anything.

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On the oilers board a poster said you need a true
top line rw since nash and gaborik prefer lw? Idk just what I read
He's pretty clueless if he said that.

Value - More than fair. If anyone needs to add, it's probably NY, not EDM. Neither team does this though. Even if one sides adds a little bit.

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Add a first and take on Gaborik and I'm in.

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This is my first proposal on the main board so I hope it at least is decent. It's no secret the Oilers need help on D and I have read that New York needs help on rw for there top line. My proposal is probably hard for both teams but I feel with the amount of good D NYR have and the amount of skilled forwards EDM has this should work.

EDM
Mcdonagh


NYR
Eberle

I know high end D are more valuable then high end wingers so if this isn't good enough value would adding ana 2nd work?
Congrats on a great 1st post!

Value is good and fair but both teams prefer their best pieces and cannot agree, so no deal,

closest IMO is Girardi + for Yakupov+

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Congrats on a great 1st post!

Value is good and fair but both teams prefer their best pieces and cannot agree, so no deal,

closest IMO is Girardi + for Yakupov+
That's not the closest. That's what you want to see, but it's not the closest.

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That's not the closest. That's what you want to see, but it's not the closest.
1 It is tne closest IMO. Or do you consider yourself to speak for my opinion?

2 If you look at this objectively, I am proven correct as a matter of fact, to within the constraints of this is an exercise in subjectivity

At the top for EDM is RNH, Hall
at the top for NY is McDonagh, Staal

below is Gagner for Oilers, Del Zotto for Rangers

in between is a middle ground of Yakupov and Girardi
which is not inherently an exact match, but it is closer than the other pairs,

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03-12-2013, 10:33 PM
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1 It is tne closest IMO. Or do you consider yourself to speak for my opinion?

2 If you look at this objectively, I am proven correct as a matter of fact, to within the constraints of this is an exercise in subjectivity

At the top for EDM is RNH, Hall
at the top for NY is McDonagh, Staal

below is Gagner for Oilers, Del Zotto for Rangers

in between is a middle ground of Yakupov and Girardi
which is not inherently an exact match, but it is closer than the other pairs,
I used to defend you, but I find you making less and less sense as the days go by. Now, your proposals don't make any sense and help anyone out and the explanations given are outlandish at best.

Pairings don't necessarily equate to trade value, in any such sort of way. NYR's #3 organizational asset doesn't necessarily have the same trade or organizational value as Edmonton's #3 organizational asset.

The theory that they do is asinine.

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People need to stop thinking the Rangers are set on D. They may have good top end talent on the blueline, but they lack depth. The Sauer and Staal really made things difficult.

If the Rangers were to do this trade their defense pairings tonight most likely would have been:

Del-Zotto-Girardi
Eminger-Stralman
Hamrlik-Gilroy

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I used to defend you, but I find you making less and less sense as the days go by. Now, your proposals don't make any sense and help anyone out and the explanations given are outlandish at best.

Pairings don't necessarily equate to trade value, in any such sort of way. NYR's #3 organizational asset doesn't necessarily have the same trade or organizational value as Edmonton's #3 organizational asset.

The theory that they do is asinine.
tell it like it is, let your conscience be your guide.

As to this post, you;re overlooking:
"...which is not inherently an exact match, but it is closer than the other pairs,"

This is not numerology nor automatic.

IMO the middle pair IN THIS INSTANCE happens to be closer in value than the higher pairs (to each other), the lower pairs (to each other) and obviously, higher and lower pairs to each other

yakupov is not yet established. His value is likely to go up.
Girardi's is not likely to go up by the same proportion.
But NOW their value is relatively close

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People need to stop thinking the Rangers are set on D. They may have good top end talent on the blueline, but they lack depth. The Sauer and Staal really made things difficult.

If the Rangers were to do this trade their defense pairings tonight most likely would have been:

Del-Zotto-Girardi
Eminger-Stralman
Hamrlik-Gilroy
Oilers can add Corey Potter.

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03-12-2013, 11:33 PM
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1 It is tne closest IMO. Or do you consider yourself to speak for my opinion?
I don't speak for yourself. I'm just telling you your opinion is wrong.

But please, try and explain to me how it's the 'closest' trade in value when you have a "+" next to the players names? Who are these pluses first of all?

You don't understand how to assess a players value (see below). You don't address other teams needs when creating proposals. If you had it your way, the NYR would have a new squad every 6-8 weeks

Chris Kreider would get a max contract and a C on his chest. (Since you would trade Callahan for a combination of crap).

Stepan would be moved. Boyle would be moved. Staal would be moved. Gaborik would be moved. As well as Del Zotto. You want to trade everyone but Hagelin, Nash, McDonagh, and Kreider. Hell, you think Kreider has more value than a young #2 center in Stepan. You thought teams could trade cap-space last season. As well as pick up remaining salaries.

You neglect the rules in the CBA. You ignore cap space. And you put more value in potential than actual production.



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2 If you look at this objectively, I am proven correct as a matter of fact, to within the constraints of this is an exercise in subjectivity

At the top for EDM is RNH, Hall
at the top for NY is McDonagh, Staal

below is Gagner for Oilers, Del Zotto for Rangers

in between is a middle ground of Yakupov and Girardi
which is not inherently an exact match, but it is closer than the other pairs,
The only thing you proved here is you have absolutely no concept of how a players value is assessed. It helps explain the logic behind your long-winded proposals.

The shocking thing though, is you failed to put any consideration into how our teams value their own players. You're not only moving a proven #1 RHD in this league, you're moving somebody who's part of the core. Shot blocking, hitting machine that's been an iron man and workhorse throughout his career.

How the hell does Yak replace that? Is that where the almighty "+" comes in?

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NYR's #3 organizational asset doesn't necessarily have the same trade or organizational value as Edmonton's #3 organizational asset.

The theory that they do is asinine.
Asinine is putting it lightly.

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03-12-2013, 11:35 PM
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Oilers can add Corey Potter.
The "+"

I liked Corey. Don't want him back though~

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yakupov is not yet established. His value is likely to go up.
Girardi's is not likely to go up by the same proportion.
But NOW their value is relatively close

Girardi is the ONE AND ONLY first pair right dman we have.
Yakupov is nice but losing our ONE AND ONLY first pair RD for him makes it unrealistic.
Girardi won't be moved unless there is a comparable Dman coming the other way, or there is another trade to bring one.
On the other thread you want to trade Boyle for Olsen, another lefty.
It doesn't seem like you know how to evaluate a roster and where each piece fits.

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