Dude... That package is still not getting you a top three pick. Nothing has changed in two weeks, brother
I just can't believe that Pominville, Pysyk and a 2nd round pick doesn't get us a top 3 pick.
I mean we're talkin about projects (MacKinnon, Druoin) who have never played a pro game.
I just can't get it. Pominville is a first liner on almost every team, Pysyk also looks like having the tools to be a solid NHL defender. And there is STILL the 2nd rounder.
Drouin and MxKinnon are far away being the NHL Players Pominville is! They're still Prospects!
I just can't believe that Pominville, Pysyk and a 2nd round pick doesn't get us a top 3 pick.
I mean we're talkin about projects (MacKinnon, Druoin) who have never played a pro game.
I just can't get it. Pominville is a first liner on almost every team, Pysyk also looks like having the tools to be a solid NHL defender. And there is STILL the 2nd rounder.
Drouin and MxKinnon are far away being the NHL Players Pominville is! They're still Prospects!
Pominville is - generously - a 60-70pt. Winger who will be 31 next year and in the last year of his deal, priced at 5.3M$. He's slightly above average defensively, if that. He would be the centerpiece of that proposal. Pysyk has yet to play an NHL game either, so he is as much of a "project" (your wording) as anyone else - not an asset teams would be wanting to obtain in return for a guy who is a franchise cornerstone.
The top three prospects in this draft are franchise changers. Teams like Columbus and Florida are looking for the face of a franchise to build around. Pominville isn't that. There are many other reasons why that deal won't get you a top three pick, but even more so this particular year with these three prospects in Jones, MacKinnon, and Drouin.
Top three picks get traded for other first rounders if they're ever even dealt, I'd think. Like 7th overall, 2013 second or third rounder, 2014 first rounder, 2015 first rounder, etc.
If we continue winning then we will have to trade for one of the first 3 picks.
Pominville and Pysyk sounds good for the third overall pick imo. I would even add our 2nd round pick.
Then draft MacKinnon or druin. And with our pick we're gonna pick Nurse.
That would be my dream scenario.
Again, it's just not even close. 1 year of club control for a 30 year old RW for, in all likelihood, a young, rebuilding team, or an elite prospect who has the potential to be a franchise player?
Again, it's just not even close. 1 year of club control for a 30 year old RW for, in all likelihood, a young, rebuilding team, or an elite prospect who has the potential to be a franchise player?
...over whom the team has 7 years of control, too.
Notable draft eligible C Sean Monahan (who I'm guessing goes somewhere 4-6, could be right in our wheelhouse) was voted 2nd smartest player, 2nd best playmaker, 3rd best on faceoffs, and 3rd best stickhandler in the league.
Realistically I am going to say that MacKinnon, Drouin, Jones and Barkov will be out of the question come draft day, trading up a couple spots seems like it can be a likely scenario this year to get a guy management really likes. We should have the assets to do that.
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Realistically I am going to say that MacKinnon, Drouin, Jones and Barkov will be out of the question come draft day, trading up a couple spots seems like it can be a likely scenario this year to get a guy management really likes. We should have the assets to do that.
And who wants to be the team giving up said prospect you so openly covet?
It's amazing how many posters don't realize you can't just make a trade because YOU want it for your team. Both sides have to have a want.
And who wants to be the team giving up said prospect you so openly covet?
It's amazing how many posters don't realize you can't just make a trade because YOU want it for your team. Both sides have to have a want.
And teams don't just trade top 3 picks. The last top three pick trade of significance that I can remember that wasn't Seguin (Kessel deal happened before Toronto knew it would have such a high pick obviously) was when Pitt traded for #1 overall to get Fleury in 2003 - and they had third overall, which was the obvious centerpiece of that trade.
And teams don't just trade top 3 picks. The last top three pick trade of significance that I can remember that wasn't Seguin (Kessel deal happened before Toronto knew it would have such a high pick obviously) was when Pitt traded for #1 overall to get Fleury in 2003 - and they had third overall, which was the obvious centerpiece of that trade.
Where did I say trade up to a top 3 pick...I was saying if we had 8-10 you may be able to move up a couple spots to get a guy you really like
It took all of 35 seconds for Nathan MacKinnon to make an impact in his return to the Halifax Mooseheads lineup.
The 17-year-old centre scored on his very first shift after missing 14 games with a knee injury, leading the Mooseheads to an easy 6-2 win over the Cape Breton Screaming Eagles in Sydney on Wednesday. MacKinnon finished with two goals and two assists to extend his points streak to 11 games (21 points).
In 35 games they’ve played together so far this season:
Drouin (35-29-43-72) has 14 goals and 14 assists that don’t involve Mackinnon. He’s had 15 goals assisted by Mackinnon
Mackinnon (35-20-35-58) has 8 goals and 8 assists that don’t involve Drouin. He’s had 12 goals assisted by Drouin.
There has been 17 times where the two have captured both assists on a linemates goal.
These numbers mean that when they play together, 76% of Mackinnons production involves Drouin and 61% of Drouins production involves Mackinnon. I’m no expert on the production relationship of these statistics, but 76% seems pretty high for a linemate.
This tells me at least what many seem to think already – Drouin is the better offensive player. But after I factor in the differences I have seen in 15+ games on defense, which cannot be measured (board play, help down low, backchecking etc.) I still see Nathan Mackinnon being the more polished and ready prospect.
To show you how good this draft is a little work by a poster in the prospect forums:
Q scoring has gone up after Christmas and I believe the league is now at 6.98 goals per game.
But this is still lower than the OHL's 7.46 during Kane's draft eligible season
(2006/2007).
Normalizing all the data to 8 goals per game, and projecting each player's points per game over 80 games, here are the top 40 draft-eligible major junior seasons by forwards since 1981.
1 Crosby 05 Q 266
2 Mario 84 Q 257
3 Kane 07 O 204 4 Drouin 13 Q 201
5 Briere 96 Q 197
6 Lafontaine 83 Q 187
7 Brendl 99 W 186
8 Spezza 01 O 185
9 Lindros 91 O 183
10 Gagner 07 O 183
11 Daigle 93 Q 183
12 Bouchard, PM 02 Q 182
13 Lecavalier 98 Q 177
14 Hall 10 O 167
15 Tavares 09 O 167
16 Hawerchuk 81 Q 163
17 Savard, M 91 O 163
18 Brassard Q 06 163
19 Turgeon, P 87 Q 161
20 Thornton 87 O 161
21 Little 06 O 154 22 MacKinnon 13 Q 154
23 Stamkos 08 O 154
24 Langkow 95 W 153
25 Ribeiro 98 Q 152
31 Staal, E 03 O 148
32 Richards, B 98 Q 145
33 Seguin 10 O 145
34 Falloon 91 W 145
35 Bellows 82 O 145
36 Primeau 90 O 144
37 Ryan 05 O 143
38 Marleau 97 W 143
39 Turgeon, S 83 O 142
40 Nugent-Hopkins 11 W 142
A few observations:
1) Drouin is having some kind of year.
2) the list is dominated by Q players. Even controlling for league scoring levels by normalizing to 8 goals per game, Q fwds take 5 of top 6 spots (and 18 of top 40. O with 17 in top 40 and W with only 5).
3) If guys score at that clip as 17/18 year olds in major junior, they almost definitely will be able to score at NHL level (only complete bust on the list in Brendl) and should not be passed over in draft. Six on that list slipped past the top 10 of the draft - Biere 24th, Savard 91st, Little 12th, Ribeiro 45th, Tanguay 12th, and Richards 64th. Jury still out on Little, but the other 5 are (or were) top 6 forwards with some seasons at all-star level.
If you do the same things with goals (arguably a better predictor of NHL success than points), here are the top 40:
36 MacKinnon 63
37 Gelinas 63
38 Carson 63
39 D. Roy 62
40 Brule 62
It also helps show that not only is Drouin a good hockey player, but that, statistically, he is the best forward draft prospect since Kane (in terms of points) or Tavares (in terms of goals). By either metric, he is significantly better than Hall, Seguin, RNH, Yakupov, and all the other guys taken out of the CHL since 09, and one of the top 10 going back 32 seasons.
Funny to see that Seth Jones is projected to go first overall in nearly every mock draft. The Top 3 this year all go ahead of the number one last year.
