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Greater dynasty: Gretzky's Oilers vs Trottier's Islanders

View Poll Results: Who are greater?
Gretzky's Oilers 61 50.41%
Trottier's Islanders 44 36.36%
Even 16 13.22%
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03-12-2013, 05:41 PM
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The fact that there is an "even" option and it's NOT the far-and-away winner right now is rather ridiculous.

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The fact that there is an "even" option and it's NOT the far-and-away winner right now is rather ridiculous.
Must be the first poll ever where "even" is clearly the correct repsonse.

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I went with even as well.

The Isles are more balanced up and down the line up.

The Oilers are all offense, so much so it outweighs their defensive deficiencies which is rare.

This comparison is one of the most fun "what if" exercises, but ultimately that it was it is. If you choose one over the other it would be for largely subjective reasons. My best objective opinion is they are even.

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03-12-2013, 06:21 PM
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must be the first poll ever where "even" is clearly the correct repsonse.
hurr durr opinions

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03-13-2013, 12:04 PM
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Were you looking forward to seeing "Trottier's Islanders" win, so you could then argue that this poll is proof that Gretzky is overrated?

I voted "even" by the way.


All superstars are slightly overrated.

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03-13-2013, 12:15 PM
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Being a Rangers fan living on Long Island during my HS Years (graduated 1983) the Islanders were hated by me. That being said I would go Islanders all the way over the Oilers.
Same here (graduated in 87 though). I would go with Edmonton though.

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03-13-2013, 12:39 PM
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I like the narratives that is provided.

The Islanders were the typical team that could beat you in so many ways. It seemed like anyway that you played, the Islanders would beat you at your own game.

The Oilers were the typical team that forces everyone to play how they play...and nobody but the Oilers could win playing like that.

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All superstars are slightly overrated.
You mean like Sergei Federov?

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03-13-2013, 02:32 PM
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You mean like Sergei Federov?
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The format of the 1980 and 1981 playoffs made it easier for high seeds to advance through the playoffs. 1980 was tough, but 1981 was a breeze for the Islanders, as they rolled through the 9th, 13th, 14th, and 16th placed teams. The Oilers wouldn't have been forced to play the second-best team in the West in the second-round of 1986 like they did had the format still been #1 vs. #16 instead of divisional. Instead, the Smythe Division was like a minefield of teams better than those in the Norris Division - though it made for an anticlimactic Western Conference Final with the Smythe winner taking it eight consecutive years.

Even when the Oilers didn't win the Stanley Cup, they were the best team in the Conference six-straight times to the Islanders' five over seven, and still won another Stanley Cup after Gretzky left, so for me, that's the tie-breaker. If we're strictly looking at 1984-1988, then probably the Islanders, because of the novelty of five-straight finals.

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The format of the 1980 and 1981 playoffs made it easier for high seeds to advance through the playoffs. 1980 was tough, but 1981 was a breeze for the Islanders, as they rolled through the 9th, 13th, 14th, and 16th placed teams. The Oilers wouldn't have been forced to play the second-best team in the West in the second-round of 1986 like they did had the format still been #1 vs. #16 instead of divisional. Instead, the Smythe Division was like a minefield of teams better than those in the Norris Division - though it made for an anticlimactic Western Conference Final with the Smythe winner taking it eight consecutive years.
Good point about playoff structure. In 1988 Edmonton went 16-2 against Winnipeg (4th in conference, 14th in NHL), Calgary (1st in both), Detroit (3rd in conference, 5th in NHL) and Boston (2nd in conference, 4th in NHL).

Voted Oilers. Quality of opposition was higher, they also won 4 Cups, and they did much better in the years where they didn't win a Cup.

Regular Season's been covered. Here's playoffs:

Isles 1980-84 72-27 (.727) - 1st
Oilers 1980-84 33-19 (.635) - 2nd

Oilers 1985-88 53-14-1 (.779) - 1st
Isles 1985-88 13-20 (.394) - 15th

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03-14-2013, 05:12 AM
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Good point about playoff structure. In 1988 Edmonton went 16-2 against Winnipeg (4th in conference, 14th in NHL), Calgary (1st in both), Detroit (3rd in conference, 5th in NHL) and Boston (2nd in conference, 4th in NHL).

Voted Oilers. Quality of opposition was higher, they also won 4 Cups, and they did much better in the years where they didn't win a Cup.

Regular Season's been covered. Here's playoffs:

Isles 1980-84 72-27 (.727) - 1st
Oilers 1980-84 33-19 (.635) - 2nd

Oilers 1985-88 53-14-1 (.779) - 1st
Isles 1985-88 13-20 (.394) - 15th


I think we need to make it clear:

the Trottier's Islanders dynasty - 1980-83

the Gretzky's Oilers dynasty - 1984-88

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Islanders in the 80s was one of the greatest TEAMS ever assembled.

Oilers in the 80s was one of the greatest set of INDIVIDUALS placed on one team in their prime.

I'm biased though, I saw two of the Islanders Cups live.

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I say the Oilers based on the fact they won a 5th cup 2 years later WITHOUT their best player from the other 4 championships. The Isles had the great run, lost to the Oilers and that was it.

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Islanders in the 80s was one of the greatest TEAMS ever assembled.

Oilers in the 80s was one of the greatest set of INDIVIDUALS placed on one team in their prime.

I'm biased though, I saw two of the Islanders Cups live.
Are you saying the Oilers were not a TEAM?

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03-14-2013, 06:26 AM
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I say the Oilers based on the fact they won a 5th cup 2 years later WITHOUT their best player from the other 4 championships. The Isles had the great run, lost to the Oilers and that was it.

Please note that we are discussing the Gretzky's Oilers (1984-1988). Therefore, that great Edmonton team of 1990 does not count.

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Are you saying the Oilers were not a TEAM?
Probably sounded like that but no. Islanders were greater per average player. More depth. Oilers had higher ceilings but lower floors.

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Please note that we are discussing the Gretzky's Oilers (1984-1988). Therefore, that great Edmonton team of 1990 does not count.
Considering it was many of the same players, in my eyes it does.

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Considering it was many of the same players, in my eyes it does.
I understand your point. But I am sorry it doesn not. Only the Gretzky's Oilers can be considered.

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I understand your point. But I am sorry it doesn not. Only the Gretzky's Oilers can be considered.
whatever you say pal.

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I understand your point. But I am sorry it doesn not. Only the Gretzky's Oilers can be considered.
Well, considering the '88 Oilers won the Cup without Gretzky, that there wasn't much roster turnover from the '87 Champs to the '88 Champs (essentially Gretzky and Coffey replaced by Simpson, Carson, Gelinas) and that the '90 Oilers still had 16 "core" players from the '88 championship squad (most of whom were also there in '87, mind you)...

Your opinion that the Oilers' '90 Cup tells us little/nothing about the strength of depth on Gretzky's Oilers is not only a minority opinion, it's also on weak footing, imo.

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Well, considering the '88 Oilers won the Cup without Gretzky, that there wasn't much roster turnover from the '87 Champs to the '88 Champs (essentially Gretzky and Coffey replaced by Simpson, Carson, Gelinas) and that the '90 Oilers still had 16 "core" players from the '88 championship squad (most of whom were also there in '87, mind you)...

Your opinion that the Oilers' '90 Cup tells us little/nothing about the strength of depth on Gretzky's Oilers is not only a minority opinion, it's also on weak footing, imo.
Gretzky was on the Oilers in 88.

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Gretzky was on the Oilers in 88.
Oh yeah, lol. Always have brain farts when it comes to '88 playoffs vs traded in '88 offseason. Beaten by Gretzky's Kings in the '89 playoffs. The point about roster turnover (or lack thereof) is even stronger, then.


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I voted Oilers because they blew Isles away in '84 Finals

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You mean like Sergei Federov?
You beat me to it.

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