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Rangers will be in the market for RD PP specialist

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03-13-2013, 11:29 AM
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Ryan Whitney can play the right side but admittedly he's better on the left.

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I hate to say it, but Raphael Diaz would be a terrific guy for the Rangers to get. He was having a breakout season before getting hurt. Would something around Diaz for McIraith be possible? If there is a "+" somewhere, what would it be and who would give it?

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03-13-2013, 01:12 PM
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I hate to say it, but Raphael Diaz would be a terrific guy for the Rangers to get. He was having a breakout season before getting hurt. Would something around Diaz for McIraith be possible? If there is a "+" somewhere, what would it be and who would give it?
I think the Rangers are still high on McIlrath. I don't see them moving him.

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03-13-2013, 01:14 PM
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Ryan Whitney can play the right side but admittedly he's better on the left.
We'd be better off waiting for Whitney to keep his good play up for a week or two.

I don't think the Oilers are giving up on a playoff run either, as unlikely as that may be, expect them to sell Whitney off only if they fall back further.

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03-13-2013, 01:54 PM
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I think the Rangers are still high on McIlrath. I don't see them moving him.
Agreed, unless it's in a bigger package for a high-end player.

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We'd be better off waiting for Whitney to keep his good play up for a week or two.

I don't think the Oilers are giving up on a playoff run either, as unlikely as that may be, expect them to sell Whitney off only if they fall back further.
I don't think Tambellini should be making any big moves until the deadline. Better off to wait until other teams are a little desperate too.

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I think the Rangers are still high on McIlrath. I don't see them moving him.
I wouldn't blame them at all. Still, no harm in asking, I hope. If I ask, I might get shot down (or just shot!). If I never ask, the answer is 100% "no". I like looking at the .0000000000000001% chance that asking might net me a positiove reply...

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Marek Zidlicky would fit the bill. UFA, Right handed that could help the PP. Dunno if Jersey would trade him to a rival when they are battling for a play-off position though.
Lou has NEVER traded with the Rangers or Flyers.

He won't start now.

Hell the Flyers offered a munch better deal for Langenbrunner 2 yrs back and Lou said no just because it was Philly.

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How about Corey Potter for Stu Bickle. The Oilers get tougher, NYR gets a RH shot defenseman that can be on a 2nd PP

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How about Corey Potter for Stu Bickle. The Oilers get tougher, NYR gets a RH shot defenseman that can be on a 2nd PP
Meh, I don't think potter is going to come back. Pretty sure he wanted out here and Rangers generally avoid re-treads unless they're named Kovalev.

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How about Corey Potter for Stu Bickle. The Oilers get tougher, NYR gets a RH shot defenseman that can be on a 2nd PP
Throw in a condition 6th and I would do it. Bickel is slightly better than Potter in that he can fight and if he is on the ice, he unintentionally scares people.
He may take a penalty but he may also take your head off in the process.
Nobody is afraid of Potter on the ice.

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03-13-2013, 04:23 PM
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Kreider has huge upside. He won't be moved for an ordinarily good/productive player. It's too much risk. If he goes at all, it will be only in a package for someone with either also very high upside, or [in a package] for demonstrated star level or better (elite) production.
Im sorry, Kreider has decent upside. He has 20-25g-20-25a -50 p upside. Don't kid yourself on anything else.

Miller is the better player of the two, and I am not just saying that because of who is in the NHL and who is in the AHL right now.

Miller is not as good of a skater as Kreider, lets just get that out of the way now.

JT Miller, despite the fact that he is still young and barely finished puberty, has more hockey sense/smarts than Kreider and is more creative than Kreider.

Kreider is a Carl Hagelin with slightly more offensive potential but none of the defensive potential. Im sorry fellow Rangers fans who have been hyping up Kreider to be a faster version of Rick Nash, he will not be. He will be an NHL player and will top out as a 2nd liner (with a fairly reasonable probability) but there is definitely something missing and that something is the difference between Good and Great, Great and Elite. Kreider is what he is. If he wasn't traded for Nash, then yeah he won't be traded for anything else (but don't be surprised when his first full season he pots maybe 15-18 goals and not the 30 every one is expecting)

I am not saying this for every other NHL fan to go ahead and believe that Rangers fans are already dumping on Kreider... the kid does have alot of potential. Some Rangers fans are just blinded and believe he is a shoe in for a 35 goal 1st line winger.

When in reality his max potential (again just my opinion) is more of a 20-25g 2nd liner who SUCKS defensively (Marion Gaborik, minus 10 goals a year).

(Yes my grammar/spelling sucks I am typing this at work and dont have time to care).

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Im sorry, Kreider has decent upside. He has 20-25g-20-25a -50 p upside. Don't kid yourself on anything else.

Miller is the better player of the two, and I am not just saying that because of who is in the NHL and who is in the AHL right now.

Miller is not as good of a skater as Kreider, lets just get that out of the way now.

JT Miller, despite the fact that he is still young and barely finished puberty, has more hockey sense/smarts than Kreider and is more creative than Kreider.

Kreider is a Carl Hagelin with slightly more offensive potential but none of the defensive potential. Im sorry fellow Rangers fans who have been hyping up Kreider to be a faster version of Rick Nash, he will not be. He will be an NHL player and will top out as a 2nd liner (with a fairly reasonable probability) but there is definitely something missing and that something is the difference between Good and Great, Great and Elite. Kreider is what he is. If he wasn't traded for Nash, then yeah he won't be traded for anything else (but don't be surprised when his first full season he pots maybe 15-18 goals and not the 30 every one is expecting)

I am not saying this for every other NHL fan to go ahead and believe that Rangers fans are already dumping on Kreider... the kid does have alot of potential. Some Rangers fans are just blinded and believe he is a shoe in for a 35 goal 1st line winger.

When in reality his max potential (again just my opinion) is more of a 20-25g 2nd liner who SUCKS defensively (Marion Gaborik, minus 10 goals a year).

(Yes my grammar/spelling sucks I am typing this at work and dont have time to care).
100% disagree with this, specifically the bolded and all the top outs.

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100% disagree with this, specifically the bolded and all the top outs.
You're right. I should have said Miller is the more COMPLETE player of the two. Kreider is more skilled, I feel Miller is more complete.

As far as Hagelin V Kreider... They both have un real speed. Two of the fastest players in the NHL/AHL bar none. Kreider has a better shot. Hagelin is a smarter player, better positions himself, and is a better defensive player.

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You're right. I should have said Miller is the more COMPLETE player of the two. Kreider is more skilled, I feel Miller is more complete.

As far as Hagelin V Kreider... They both have un real speed. Two of the fastest players in the NHL/AHL bar none. Kreider has a better shot. Hagelin is a smarter player, better positions himself, and is a better defensive player.
You know, Callahan was **** defensively when he first came up too. It's not uncommon for guys to work out kinks in the minors. Don't know if you ignored Kreider in college, but he was one of the most relied on defensive players on his team.

Honestly, only real comparables between Hagelin and Kreider is there speed. Kreider is bigger (6'3), uses his body much more. Can control play a lot better than Hagelin and will likely be overall, much more of a force. Hagelin is closer to Martin St. Louis, while a fully grown and developed Kreider, can be closer to a Rick Nash type.

I think you're basing your judgement off his play from the playoffs and earlier this year (where he was extremely timid, not uncommon for a rookie.)

Once Kreider puts on some more adult muscle and fills out his frame, while learning the defensive aspects of the game (something that many NHL players take time to learn) he will be a very good player. Impossible to say if he will reach the elite level of Rick Nash, but i certainly think he has the capability of being a consistent 30-30 threat.

You HIGHLY undervalue him and I'm fairly certain you haven't really followed much of his development over the past 4 years or so.

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Im sorry, Kreider has decent upside. He has 20-25g-20-25a -50 p upside. Don't kid yourself on anything else.

Miller is the better player of the two, and I am not just saying that because of who is in the NHL and who is in the AHL right now.

Miller is not as good of a skater as Kreider, lets just get that out of the way now.

JT Miller, despite the fact that he is still young and barely finished puberty, has more hockey sense/smarts than Kreider and is more creative than Kreider.

Kreider is a Carl Hagelin with slightly more offensive potential but none of the defensive potential. Im sorry fellow Rangers fans who have been hyping up Kreider to be a faster version of Rick Nash, he will not be. He will be an NHL player and will top out as a 2nd liner (with a fairly reasonable probability) but there is definitely something missing and that something is the difference between Good and Great, Great and Elite. Kreider is what he is. If he wasn't traded for Nash, then yeah he won't be traded for anything else (but don't be surprised when his first full season he pots maybe 15-18 goals and not the 30 every one is expecting)

I am not saying this for every other NHL fan to go ahead and believe that Rangers fans are already dumping on Kreider... the kid does have alot of potential. Some Rangers fans are just blinded and believe he is a shoe in for a 35 goal 1st line winger.

When in reality his max potential (again just my opinion) is more of a 20-25g 2nd liner who SUCKS defensively (Marion Gaborik, minus 10 goals a year).

(Yes my grammar/spelling sucks I am typing this at work and dont have time to care).

My current thinking on Kreider...
The speed is obvious given. He added weight since originally drafted, but thus far bulk has not slowed him down, and seems to be mostly muscle.

He has the skill to be extra special. That goal that denied Brodeur a shutdown was unreal. All right, one goal does not a sniper make. And this isolated instance of elite ability does not mean he is certain to become elite.

It's fair to say we're not certain at this juncture.

But it is also fair to say he is very, very gifted, and just has to have the composure to put it all together, and for that I mostly blame Torts cause I'd rather their be screw ups and progress than him thinking every move in his head several times before executing.

This is not pretty right now, but this too shall pass. If they gotta lean on Torts to get him outta Kreider's head, if that becomes necessary, they will, and this is assuming Tortorella does not go buh bye just because of his system.

If we're also all gonna be totally honest about it, a big factor in Kreider's scoring when he returns will be linemates. I assume his being so fast he will be paired with some combo of Miller Hags Cally and Nash. As they would be faster than most competition, that would add. But this is an assumption, and it is not only on the ability of Kreider alone, I admit. Still, it looks good.

I respect the fact you are trying to point out, in this case objectively, there are legit negatives and we shouldn't overreach. That is fair enough.

However, if --- AND IT IS A HUGE IF --- Kreider can tap into all that potential, the ceiling will be higher, not lower.

I expect better numbers ultimately than you predict, but I agree he has to get himself adequately poised to realize his talent, and this we can't assume one way or the other, we just have to wait and see.

So therefore, there are no sacred cows, but if somebody wants Kreider I want to see huge return and not sell that upside, even if it is possible upside and not certain upside, at too big a discount.

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Sometimes I seriously consider emptying the prospect cupboards at the deadline this year. This could be the only year we ice a team of this quality in a long time. I would much rather win a Cup now than wait what, 10 more years until the next chance because we wouldn't trade our higher-end prospects for that last piece.

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Can I have verification please? Am I the only one who thinks Kreider has the potential to be a 1st line player as soon as he gets more trust and reliability? Because I don't think he wasn't doing as bad as people said he was in the beginning of the season. I didn't think he was doing as much as he can potentially do but I think people overexaggerated on his preformance. Am I the only one thats thinking this way?

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