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03-13-2013, 08:08 PM
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I'm getting tired of going the day after a game and not seeing "Laviolette Fired"

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The coach will be fired soon enough. It's not going to fix the problem, though

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03-13-2013, 08:30 PM
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The thing that worries me about firing him is that the Flyers could then go on a late run and still come up short and then have a less favorable draft position....a situation where the better picks will go earlier. It would be typical. I mean just think if we had gotten Kane instead of JVR.......

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We were by far the worst team that year point wise. We got screwed in the lottery.

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The coach will be fired soon enough. It's not going to fix the problem, though
Never know, this team is loaded with talent. I mean look at our top 9 and top 4, that's a playoff team.

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The coach will be fired soon enough. It's not going to fix the problem, though
What's the fix in your estimation?

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What's the fix in your estimation?
One thing is for sure the status quo can't continue for much longer.....bad business if it does continue.

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BTW anybody notice during the 2nd intermission Jones kind of took a shot at the coaching ? He essentially said the D is not built to play a transition attack attack style and that the "Flyers" have to play to their weakness which means not forcing an immobile D to play a system that doesn't suit them..

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BTW anybody notice during the 2nd intermission Jones kind of took a shot at the coaching ? He essentially said the D is not built to play a transition attack attack style and that the "Flyers" have to play to their weakness which means not forcing an immobile D to play a system that doesn't suit them..
He took a shot at the organization, since it was the GM who removed the players who were once doing just fine in the system.

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One thing is for sure the status quo can't continue for much longer.....bad business if it does continue.
Agreed. But it's certainly not best practice to just change things because something needs to change. It's got to be part of a greater strategy.

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He took a shot at the organization, since it was the GM who removed the players who were once doing just fine in the system.
Again though, who or what do you change to get things progressing in the right direction?

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He took a shot at the organization, since it was the GM who removed the players who were once doing just fine in the system.
Oh boy here we go with those two.....yeah there is some truth to it..they tried to extend Lavi's shelf life and it's looking like it won't be by much but there was more to it that necessitated the moves. I'm content with the returns still....just have to reinforce them with smarter moves. I would say Holmgren has kind of regressed since that fateful summer..

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Lavi's adjustments between periods and pre and post game against the Devils 3/13/13

Pre-game- Attack Attack....You, Foster skate end to end and Gervais pinch at all times

1st intermission- Yell and scream

2nd intermission- Attack faster and harder and dump and chase..yell and scream

Post-game- Punch coke machine...

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Again though, who or what do you change to get things progressing in the right direction?


1. Fire Holmgren. The off-season is when you get better. We get worse.
2. New GM picks the coach. And no one needs to hold his hand in picking one. Hopefully the Rangers miss the playoffs too and we can steal Tortorella. Don't hire Lindy Ruff.
3. Tell Ed Snider to disappear to his mansion in SoCal. Someone will call when we're ready to have him show up for photo ops with the Cup.
4. Trade for Bernier.

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BTW anybody notice during the 2nd intermission Jones kind of took a shot at the coaching ? He essentially said the D is not built to play a transition attack attack style and that the "Flyers" have to play to their weakness which means not forcing an immobile D to play a system that doesn't suit them..
milbury did too, post game. He said the something needs to change...ideally the style.

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1. Fire Holmgren. The off-season is when you get better. We get worse.
2. New GM picks the coach. And no one needs to hold his hand in picking one. Hopefully the Rangers miss the playoffs too and we can steal Tortorella. Don't hire Lindy Ruff.
3. Tell Ed Snider to disappear to his mansion in SoCal. Someone will call when we're ready to have him show up for photo ops with the Cup.
4. Trade for Bernier.
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1. Fire Holmgren. The off-season is when you get better. We get worse.
2. New GM picks the coach. And no one needs to hold his hand in picking one. Hopefully the Rangers miss the playoffs too and we can steal Tortorella. Don't hire Lindy Ruff.
3. Tell Ed Snider to disappear to his mansion in SoCal. Someone will call when we're ready to have him show up for photo ops with the Cup.
4. Trade for Bernier.
add in a buyout Briere and Bryz, and a sign Perry, and i'm all onboard.

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03-14-2013, 01:58 AM
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Words, words, words.....yet they lay another big ole turd. They are totally predictable. Forecheck em hard and they crumble. What a laxative induced mess...


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“On the nights we lose, they certainly stand out,” Laviolette said of mistakes. “There's things that happen that don't go your way, and it's not one identifiable thing.

“Shorthanded goal, a turnover, missed coverage. There's different things that go on that are leading to opportunities against them.”
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“I don't know what it is,” Hartnell said. “It sure is frustrating. ... It's not fun hockey. We gotta get our swagger back. We gotta get our mojo back somehow.”
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“It seems like a lot of times we have control of the puck and whether it be their forecheck, they come with two guys, lot of pressure, take away the walls, we’re not utilizing our game plan and doing what we’re supposed to be doing.

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“We need to dig ourselves out of there,” Giroux said. “I am confident we can get out. We need to dig ourselves out of this hole. We have a lot of guys on this team who are good players.

“We’re a good team. We’re a team that should make the playoffs and we’re going to battle to the end of the season to make it. These kind of games tonight, we have to find a way to win it.”

http://www.csnphilly.com/hockey-phil...ng-loss-devils

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03-14-2013, 03:17 AM
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1. Fire Holmgren. The off-season is when you get better. We get worse.
2. New GM picks the coach. And no one needs to hold his hand in picking one. Hopefully the Rangers miss the playoffs too and we can steal Tortorella. Don't hire Lindy Ruff.
3. Tell Ed Snider to disappear to his mansion in SoCal. Someone will call when we're ready to have him show up for photo ops with the Cup.
4. Trade for Bernier.
I like where you're going. A fresh face at GM is probably not a bad idea but it's a lot easier to get behind when you know what you're replacing Holmrgen with. For all his mistakes his eye for talent is pretty damn good. "New GM" is vague, but I won't pretend to have a name in mind so I can really ask you to do better either. Preferably someone from outside the organization with a hockey background and a graduate education with some experience in analytics, be it data analysis or logistical in nature.

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03-14-2013, 06:33 AM
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they need a change at coach AND GM
homer put them in this position
and laviolette cant get them out of it they look worse and worse each game

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Personnel prone to poor penalties (worst in the league in minors)
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Brutal line change mistakes
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Coach that stresses attack and D to be aggressive
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D personnel not suited to pinching with some not fast enough to recover and some as likely to turn it over after a successful pinch as to get it deep (with no one able to get it on net)
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Goaltender that has problems with breakaways and odd man rushes despite being paid to be one of the best players on the team
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Disaster

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Personnel prone to poor penalties (worst in the league in minors)
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Brutal line change mistakes
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Coach that stresses attack and D to be aggressive
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D personnel not suited to pinching with some not fast enough to recover and some as likely to turn it over after a successful pinch as to get it deep (with no one able to get it on net)
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Goaltender that has problems with breakaways and odd man rushes despite being paid to be one of the best players on the team
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Disaster
I said from the beginning of the year the setup of this team with the stay at home D personnel was counterintuitive to the attack style of Lavi...it is patently obvious. Major fail on both the GM and coaches part.


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That's the desperation of a team that has no real identity beyond an "attack system" that is ill-suited to the collection of players who have been assembled for this year's team. Lack of cohesion and team defense is not an identity; or at least not one to aspire to.

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Bill-...ities/45/49963

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Right now NO goalie would be successful here - not Rinne, Brodeur, Price, etc. Our system is horrible. We have potential but are not playing in a way that utilizes the potential.

Pre-Flyers Bryz, Nitty = good goalies. Post-Flyers...Bob, Emery, Biron = good goalies.

Since 2006 we have had 10 goalies. Teams have utilized far worse goalies than Bob or Bryz and have been successful.

We finally went out and got a good goalie - no matter how bad he looks right now - rather than scrap the goalie and start over, scrap the system and the coaches and play a style that matches the strengths of the D corp we have and goaltending style in net.

Bernier would get shelled night after night as things currently are.

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I think Laviolette will be fired in the offseason or early next season if they don't bounce back. Philly is a better team than this...

Brian Burke gave his best buddy Wilson an extension 2 months before he got fired. IMO, Holmgren and Burke are both "loyal" to their coaches and until they can't justify firing the coaches, they will stick with them.

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I like where you're going. A fresh face at GM is probably not a bad idea but it's a lot easier to get behind when you know what you're replacing Holmrgen with. For all his mistakes his eye for talent is pretty damn good. "New GM" is vague, but I won't pretend to have a name in mind so I can really ask you to do better either. Preferably someone from outside the organization with a hockey background and a graduate education with some experience in analytics, be it data analysis or logistical in nature.
do you think the team trusts Bryzgalov or whoever we have in goal whether its Bryzgalov,Leighton or Boucher? If the players dont trust the goaltending you are going to see the type of mistakes you see with this team.
of course there is some issues with the personell I think especially on the backend.

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If they suck it up tomorrow he will, no doubt in my mind, be fired. The long break gives the team a mini-training camp (actually, essentially the same amount of time as this years TC) to bring a new coach in. Even if the coach isn't going to be the coach next year. They need a fresh approach.

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